By David Futrelle
You may worry about your country descending into chaos, or turning into a fascist hellhole, or even a bit of both. But when incels imagine the future they have much more specific concerns. Oddly specific, you might say.
Over on Incels.me, one paranoid commenter conjures up what for him is evidently the most nightmarish future dystopia he can imagine: One in which women can use sonar technology to check out penis size at a distance.
In a thread titled, with typical incel melodrama, “[SuicideFuel] In 2030, it will be absolutely over for dicklets” — dudes with tiny dicks — a fellow called Cuckcel offers his dire warning.
Incel dudes, when women look at you the first thing that pops into their mind isn’t “small dick.” It’s “huge asshole,” because that’s what you are.
Oh how I wish they’d all just STFU forever.
“Big dick incels will be in gigantic demand”
Citation desperately needed, buddy.
Even more useful will be an app that sounds an alarm if anyone in the vicinity uses the word “foid” to refer to women.
“These dicks are small; those, are far away“
I’ve heard it said that dystopic fiction can be boiled down to “what if middle class white people had to live the way poor brown and black people have always had to live?”
I think this is the gendered version of that. See, if you’re woman or a not woman but AFAB person, you’ve already experienced this dystopic hellscape since puberty. It’s called having boobs.
If incels had a speck of self-awareness, they’d look at the post and start to gain a little understanding of what it’s like to constantly be evaluated based on a secondary sex characteristic that you have little or no control over. Alas, we all know they don’t.
More likely facial recognition software will just make it more likely that they can pull up your internet history. Which should scare them way more.
Anyway, wouldn’t it be easier just to train an actual bat?
I’ll never care about what they have. It’s apparent to anyone on this planet they *are* tiny dicks. Even if no one sees them, they know.
Women already know whether a man has a big dick or not. There are a lot of factors, but it’s not like we’re ever surprised, really. We know. Also, a lot of us aren’t looking for big dicks. And, we also know that if you don’t have a big dick, you are more likely to be a better lover because you know you can’t rely on your big dick alone (men with big dicks really don’t know how to do much else but thrust, more often than not, and are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, when any reciprocity of oral sex is expected; srsly, big dicked dudes ain’t all that). So honestly, once we settle down, it isn’t for the big dick. It’s for the entire set of behaviors in the bedroom. I have more conversations with my female friends about whether or not a man looks like he gives great oral sex than we do about dick size, frankly.
Also, if there were some kind of device like this, everyone knows that a flaccid penis has nothing to do with what it looks like erect, ffs.
So called “Incels”: If you want to get laid, be a good person. Not a person who does supposedly “nice” things in order to get laid, but genuinely being kind to your fellow human. And shower, keep yourself fairly kept up (though a certain amount of shambles is sexy, too), drink water instead of soda, get good sleep, cultivate interests that include people of all genders and socioeconomic backgrounds (this can be as simple as trying a new bar or coffee shop), and treat every person you encounter with kindness and respect. That’s the formula for getting laid. That’s it. It works for ugly people, fat people, dumb people, smart people. If you can’t get laid, it isn’t the world. It’s you. And you might need therapy to help you with that. What you don’t need are Reddit boards full of other people who are filled with hate. What you don’t need are “gurus” who fuel your anger. You are better than this.
And, there is more to life than sex. I have gone months, even up to a year and a half without having sex because I was stuck up my own ass with misery or whatever. And once you find a person you can really love and be comfortable with? Guess what. You kinda stop having sex, and IT’S TOTALLY OKAY. There are a hundred things in the world as great as sex. And most sex isn’t even that great!
If this system DID work as it does in the incels fever dreams, it would only increase the amount of sex that incels get. Incels are by definition not having any sex. (Yes yes there are plenty of “incels” who are in fact having sex but not the on-demand effortless sex with a virgin HB9+ sex slave that they believe they deserve, but I’m going to ignore those ones because they violate the “celibate” criteria in addition to the “involuntary” criteria that all incels violate.) The worst thing that will happen is that the small-dicked incels will continue to not have any sex (i.e. No change to existing conditions), while the big-dicked incels will have increased chances of getting laid.
Of course, that’s assuming that women seek out sex partners based entirely on penis size and not on any other criteria like, say, their partner actually treating them like a human being and not being filled with virulent and dangerous hatred for them.
@Alan Robertshaw
Father Ted for the win!
Shorter Cuckcel: Discuss this shit I just made up.
It’s just exhausting, trying to explain this, but I’ll have another go, because I want to help.
Most women don’t care about penis size. Some do, because they enjoy that, some do, because they really don’t. But most don’t, for two reasons. 1) Female sexual pleasure is rarely about penis size. And 2) Relationships are about more than just sexual pleasure.
Questions? Comments?
Might I suggest that incels turn any purported deficits (small dicks) into an asset by being creative. Back in the golden age of Hollywood there was allegedly a producer whose party trick was balancing three silver dollars on his erect penis. How he perfected this talent I have no idea but he was supposedly very popular on the party circuit and much in demand socially. So give it a try guys. U obviously have tons of time on your hands to obsess about things like women running around checking out your crotch with VR glasses. I await news of your progress!
OT & TW for cutting
This well-written piece by the frontwoman for Garbage will appear in tomorrow’s New York Times.
Shirley Manson: The First Time I Cut Myself
July 3, 2018
I didn’t know I was a cutter until the first time I chose to cut. I didn’t even know it was a “thing.”
I had never heard the phrase “self-harm” back then, in the mid-80s in Scotland. There were no support groups for people like me or any progressive, sympathetic op-ed pieces about the practice of cutting in my local newspaper. It was something I came to naturally, privately, covertly. I didn’t tell a soul about it.
It was a secret. A secret that was mine to keep.
I was in my late teens, darkly in love with someone who wasn’t in love with me. I was having sex with multiple partners, experimenting with drugs and drinking copious, alarming amounts of alcohol. I would often fall foul of crushing depression, struggling to get out of my bed before 4 in the afternoon. Having flunked out of school, I had no set future in mind.
I was holding down a mindless part-time job at a teen fashion store, playing keyboards in a band more or less on the weekends and generally feeling pretty miserable about my lot in life.
I met a strange, tightly wound boy one night at a club called the Hoochie Coochie. He was tall and handsome and harbored some serious, unresolved anger issues toward women. I should have run for the hills, but I didn’t.
He refused to wear a condom when we had sex. He didn’t care how I managed our protection. “I’m not the one who is going to get pregnant,” he sneered. I resentfully went on the pill.
I grew to loathe him for his selfish sexism, but I continued to sleep with him anyway.
He started seeing other girls behind my back. I knew this was going on because I wasn’t stupid. For some inexplicable reason, not quite clear to me even now, I tolerated this peculiar, joyless relationship. I smoked a cigarette, dropped an Ecstasy and said nothing more to anyone about any of it.
It was around this period that I became an ardent fan of the local Edinburgh band the Finitribe, whose members often used the symbol of a fish to identify themselves and their fans.
I tied a small silver penknife in the shape of a fish onto the laces of my Dr. Martens. I thought it was cool to tie a little knife to my shoe. Most people found it a little odd.
I wore my hair in a rockabilly quiff. Painted my lips bright red. Wore seamed stockings hooked to a suspender belt, tight pencil skirts and soft, brightly colored cashmere sweaters.
I was acutely aware of the attention I attracted, but I was entirely uninterested in anyone who was ever interested in me. I wanted someone I couldn’t have and was otherwise completely paralyzed. I had a desire to speak but could not find my voice. I wanted to change the world for girls like me, girls who didn’t fit in or want to conform, but I didn’t know how or where to start.
And all of it drove me mad with rage.
My fury was such that I knew intuitively if I directed it at any one person, I would more than likely land myself in jail. It was a natural, practical step to turn that rage inward, toward myself.
The first time I cut myself, I was sitting on the edge of a bed inside my boyfriend’s flat.
It was late. He and I had been arguing for some time, our voices gradually becoming more and more raised. I was concerned that we might wake his flat-mates, and in a moment of utter exasperation, I reached across for my little silver penknife, pulled it from the lace of my shoe and ran the tiny blade across the skin of one ankle.
It didn’t hurt.
I did it again.
And then I did it again.
I looked dispassionately at the three thin red lines I had made and watched as tiny little bubbles of my blood oozed to the surface.
My boyfriend snorted in disdain and called me some nasty, misogynistic names before turning his back and immediately falling asleep. I felt somewhat elated, as I imagine a scientist might while working on an experiment that suddenly, after much persistence, has yielded favorable results.
In that room at that moment, I felt untouchable and powerful. I was a woman in charge.
More than that, I felt a warm surge of comfort and relief. Relief from the rage. A relief from the powerlessness. Something had happened that didn’t feel right, and here were lines of my blood to bear witness to it and speak of it on my behalf.
My silver pen knife, now discarded on the floor, glimmered in the soft yellow glow from an old Edinburgh streetlight shining in from outside the window.
I suddenly felt I was part of something much bigger than this stupid situation I had found myself in. To my mind, my life had just immediately become more grand and expansive. I was salved. The connection to my little silver fish was forged.
I had an enemy. I had a knife. And the future was ours.
The problem of course with any practice of self-harm is that once you choose to indulge in it, you get better, more efficient, at it. I started to hurt myself more regularly. The cuts got deeper. I hid the scars under my stockings and never breathed a word about it to anyone.
Fortunately for me, the incredibly unhealthy relationship ran its inevitable course. I started dating a loving, respectful person who also happened to be an incredible communicator. The cutting abruptly stopped.
It wasn’t until much later in my life, in the middle of a European tour in support of the second Garbage album, “Version 2.0,” that I experienced the strong impulse to hurt myself again, and the pull was as compelling as it had ever been.
I was under immense physical and mental pressure. I was a media “it” girl, and as a result I was lucky enough to be invited to grace the covers of newspapers and fashion magazines all over the world. Perversely, the downside of attracting so much attention was that I began to develop a self-consciousness about myself, the intensity of which I hadn’t experienced since I was a young woman in the throes of puberty.
I was suffering from extreme “impostor syndrome,” constantly measuring myself against my peers, sincerely believing that they had gotten everything right and I had gotten everything so very wrong.
The mental anguish I was inflicting on myself was extreme and drove me half out of my mind. In hysterical, extreme moments, I thought if I could just get my hands upon a tiny little knife it would bring some relief and I would be able to handle the stress.
Mercifully, most likely because of the rigorous demands of touring and an understanding that cutting myself was not something I really wanted to get back into, I managed to resist the compulsion to harm myself again. I muscled my way through the frustrations, the sick, unhealthy comparisons and the peculiar, destructive feelings that drove me to believe I wasn’t enough.
Today I try to remain vigilant against these old thought patterns.
I vow to hold my ground. I choose to speak up. I attempt to be kind, not only to myself but also to other people. I surround myself with those who treat me well. I strive to be creative and determine to do things that make me happy. I believe it is not what we look like that is important, but who we are. It is how we choose to move through this bewildering world of ours that truly matters. And when I struggle with my sense of self, as I often do, I summon to mind “The Layers,” a poem by the great Stanley Kunitz:
no doubt the next chapter
in my book of transformations
is already written.
I am not done with my changes.
And then I force myself to breathe.
Breathe in. Breathe out. I breathe in. I breathe out.
I leave the knife where it is.
I breathe again.
Shirley Manson
The singer’s band, Garbage, has just released a reissue of its 1998 album, “Version 2.0.”
If you are self-harming, or anyone you know needs help, call the S.A.F.E. Alternatives information line at 1-800-DONTCUT or visit selfinjury.com for additional resources.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/arts/music/shirley-manson-garbage-the-first-time-i-cut-myself.html
TBH, I discovered a mantra that made (some of) my anxiety about my body go away:
“Would you want to be with someone who would have a major hang-up about your body?”
My answer is no. Like, for a bunch of dudes that believe they will never get laid they sure do have a lot of dick fear.
[Citation needed]
I can generally tell when a dude IS a big dick. I have no idea how I would gauge the size of a dude’s genitals sight unseen, though. Maybe I missed that portion of my introductory seminar on being a woman.
Insecure dicks talking about their dicks.
“like in pokemon go”
Incel sounds like the worst pokemans.
It’s ironic that they finally get the technology of comic book X-ray Specs to work, but rebooted for girls.
How is this supposed to work, exactly? 37 phones ping and suddenly there’s a stampede towards the same bewildered man? Then what? Who gets first dibs? How do you even start a conversation? “Hi, according to my app you have a big dick”? How would that be anything but awkward?
No. No no no no no no. A guy whose only knowledge of how lovemaking works comes from visioning hundreds of extreme porn movies – and armed with a big dick? Never, ever. Go away.
It always fascinates me when they bring up routine infant circumcision – a legitimate men’s rights issue- but it’s only about getting laid, not genital autonomy. Way to delegitimize a real issue guys… meanwhile many real intactivists are also feminists.
That image will cheer me up for weeks. Wonderful!
But obviously, the highest numbered woman gets the big dick. You can’t expect a man with a big dick to slepp with anything less than a 9.
Well, considering that thanks to patriarchy, body image issues are more of a feature than a bug in the female population, if anyone is attracted to women and thinks body hang ups make someone an unsuitable partner, good luck finding someone.
Given the fetishization of big penes in mainstream porn, I can understand why men – particularly those who are sexually inexperienced – would be insecure about penis size. That’s not the thing that makes incels shitty. The misogyny is.