By David Futrelle
On the Incels.me forums, a bunch of the regulars recently had a little debate over slavery. Not whether or not the enslavement of women (or blacks, or whoever) is morally wrong; they didn’t care. No, the main question on the table was why men haven’t already enslaved women, given what a great idea it is.
Someone called lesbianwalrus — but who presumably was neither — started off the “debate” with this lovely post:
I’m not sure if that bit at the end was a reference to abolishing women’s basic human rights, or an outright call for genocide — it’s so hard to tell with these guys! — but the other incels who replied stuck with the issue of slavery. All but one thought that enslaving women would be great for guys like them, though there were a few different explanations as to why men haven’t just gone ahead and done it yet.
According to longtime Incels.me member Newbite the problem is that “soyboys are too powerful.” Mentalcel lamented that “western civilization chose cuckery and political correctness.” Imbored21 declared that “men are pathetic betas” and that “[w]omen have us by the balls.”
But not everyone blamed men — or even soyboys — as a whole. ElliotRodgerHere, reminding us once again that bigotries flock together, pointed his finger of blame at a familiar target: The Jews, — or, as he put it, that “small parasitic tribe” that runs the world and “decides these things for us.”
Damn those evil Jews for preventing us from enslaving women! Is there no end to their depravity?
A few commenters conjectured that re-enslaving black men would help incels like them by cockblocking the “Tyrones” — the black equivalents to the evil white Chads who allegedly steal all the women who would otherwise be forced to date incels.
But the creepiest post of the bunch came from someone ominously named The End, who suggested that incels might not have to wait for all women to be enslaved to have a sex slave of their own.
Well doesn’t that just make your skin crawl? And The End isn’t just some drive-by troll. He’s made nearly 2000 posts to Incels.me since joining in April. Evidently he’s found a welcoming home on Incels..me, which is nearly as sickening a thought as his comments about capturing himself a “plaything.”
Ugh ugh ugh about that last sentence. I mean, some men have kidnapped women to keep as slaves.
Only a couple of years ago in Sweden there was this doctor who over years constructed a perfectly soundproof bunker at his countryside place. He then got on a date with an escort, and gave her strawberries – I don’t remember how, but he had some way to tell apart the regular strawberries in the bowl from the ones laced with rohypnol. So she went unconscious and he managed to disguise her as an old woman and drove her in a wheelchair to his car, where he drove her to the bunker… He kept her there for a week. His intention was to keep her as his “girlfriend” (his words) for years to come. Anyway, she managed to be super nice to him and totally play along for the week and eventually managed to convince him that they’d take a trip together to her old apartment to pick up some stuff for her. Once there, they discovered police had been at the apartment. The woman then convinced him that they should go to the police and she’d tell them that she was totally voluntarily visiting him so they could stop searching for her. He threatened her with a fake gun (which she didn’t know was fake) but once at the police they still realized something was seriously, seriously wrong even though the woman couldn’t say it outright, and eventually the kidnapper gave up and confessed.
This story is so scary… It could so easily have gone much worse (and being kept prisoner as someone’s sex slave for a whole week is really bad enough!).
Hats off to the bravery, resourcefulness, grit and people skills of that woman. Just wow to manage her captor so brilliantly that he took her out of that sound proofed room, her first and biggest hurdle. And then to not let her elation show that Step One of the escape was accomplished. What an amazing person.
I am somewhat surprised that they are not praisining Joseph Fritzl more often. Maybe there’s an age-component here, as well as an Americanized aspect, but that affront to humanity is certainly one of the most deplorable examples of the mindset they exhibit.
@AuntieMame Redux
Yes!
@(A)utonomous Escapist
Yeah, me too. But Elisabeth Fritzl escaped from her father’s dungeon (along with her children by her father) ten years ago. If incels are mostly 19 or so, they might not have heard of him.
I’m haunted by the Elisabeth F case, perhaps because her captor was her father and he kept her in the basement of the family home. She raised her children in that effin’ basement. The kids thought that their whole world was the basement. She told them that the stories on the TV were being broadcast from another planet. I guess that was so that they wouldn’t be heartbroken over not being able to leave.
Despite these overwhelming conditions, Elisabeth F’s mind stayed strong for all of her 24 years of captivity. Unbreakable Elisabeth F!
Those involved with the case say that the hatred that Elisabeth F holds for her father is very, very deep.
Enslavement of women is not a new idea, nor is it revolutionary or any of the other exciting terms men have for it. It is, however, the inevitable result of patriarchy unchecked.
After all, the world is run, for the most part, by patriarchs, for patriarchs who have little to no regard for the lives of women, children, folk of different ethnic, religious, philosophical or physical differences from them – or even for the planet that provides them with everything they need for life. They care primarily for the satisfaction of their own desires, mistaking them for god-proclaimed rights.
The only thing, in my opinion, that will stop them is for women and everyone on the Patriarchal Enemies List to band together and refuse them everything. No sex, no family, no help, no caring for their needs, no conversation…nada. Let them make their little sex slave robots and see how much love they can get from them…how much compassion and all the things they demand from us and then claim that we are incapable of.
We need to choose, if men are who we want as partners, those men who have chosen to be truly and fully human. Compassionate and intelligent. Loving and strong. Fully realized people. You know – cucks, betas, Chads and Tyrones. Give our love and joy to the men who deserve and appreciate it.
As much as I’d like to take credit, as a Jew, for women not being enslaved, I don’t think it’s really fair for me to do so.
And “Hundreds of thousands of years …”? This guy isn’t a history (or biology) major I take it.
@Kat: I think it must be the America-centric element, Seung-Hui Cho is still widely venerated in misanthropic circles web-wide, and Virginia Tech was in 2007.
But maybe more astute Mammotheers can correct me, has Joseph Fritzl or the other long-term abducters been canonized by the Mansopherians?
@ autonomous escapist
Quite literally. You might want to hold your nose.
https://incels.me/threads/did-josef-fritzl-do-anything-wrong.55664/#post-1034758
https://incels.me/threads/underrated-incel-saint.28597/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/comments/8qym31/guy_who_owns_incelocalypse_defends_josef_fritzl/
I’ve seen Room, which is a great movie starring Brie Larson (not to be confused with THE room!). It’s heavily inspired by real-life stories of this kind. Larson’s character is kidnapped as a young teen and kept as a sex slave. She eventually has a son, who’s five at the start of the movie. She also tells him that the room is the entire world, the people on TV aren’t real etc.
@epitome of incomprehensibility
Nah, once you’ve convinced yourself that you’re the ubermensch and that everyone else is a stupid worthless weakling, it’ll seem pretty straightforward.
I’ll bet that if the common religions in his part of the world didn’t peach the inferiority of women and laud patriarchs, he’d be a lot more in favor of atheism.
Hi everybody!
Not spending the integrality of your awake time in rants and threats against women would free up just as much time. There, I fixed it. So where is that cure against cancer?
@Alan: Thaaanks, and here I was, having an OK-ish day. As always, never underestimate the ability of people to be utter shit.
@ The End
The novel The Collector is not a relationship guide.
I almost don’t have the heart to tell him that he wouldn’t even be able to post that tripe if it weren’t for several technologies created by, or derived from, female inventors.
These guys think they would definitely be curing cancer, reversing climate change and creating space colonies if only they didn’t “have to” spend 24/7 fantasising about raping their own daughters.
I think that’s a claim that might need putting to the test.
Re, Fritzl: didn’t he also remove some of their babies shortly after birth and lead her to believe he might have killed them? When in fact he’d spun his wife some line which led to her bringing them up as adoptees?
The experience of enslaved mothers who cannot choose whether to have children and cannot protect or save the ones they have: it’s nightmare fuel.
Once abortion and birth control are outlawed in the US (only a matter of time), there’s going to be a hell of a lot more bitter, sex-starved incels in the world.
Scary thought.
I’m like 100% certain that I’d just have a complete breakdown if some monster kidnapped me…
Oh I read some more about Isabel’s (her pen name) ordeal. The man who kidnapped her also took her dog. The first days he’d walk the dog, but then he got tired of doing so and told her the dog had to stay in the bunker and do its business in a cat litter box, and if it peed or pooped on the floor or was bothering him he’d kill it. So on top of everything she had to successfully train her dog to pee and poop like a cat and keep calm in a weird bunker. Plus her kidnapper would sleep in her bed and spoon her all night. And she still managed to a) put up a convincing show of seeing the good inside him and falling for him, and b) convince him that the police might catch him unless they went there together and told them she was with him voluntarily ( in reality he had covered his tracks so well that the cops had absolutely nil).
Yeah, wow is the word, what a feat!
Oh man, The Collector. That book gave me and my friends nightmares. Brrr.
Speaking of entitled & dangerous men, this FB post (via a Twitter feed) is possibly fake but as yet unconfirmed either way. There are screenshots but I’d rather not post them here as they’re seriously worrying. If this guy is for real, he has a lot in common with our final incel poster above.
Oh my gods, men like this make me so angry. How dare they try to make a living, thinking person their toy. My friends and family are not fucking Fleshlights.
IDK. Can’t say more because posting rules. I just hate these slimes with all my being, and pray that nobody in my community falls victim to them.
@Mish
The crowning horror for me is his father willfully enabling him. I know it’s not uncommon, but gods, talk about toxic.
Edit: IDK how people read fiction about this stuff TBH… It’s too close to home for me, and if that doesn’t get to me then the rescue-by-heroic-men does.
Dear epitome of incomprehensibility,
Nah. Everything I believe about myself and other people leads me to consistently assume that really, things are easy, and everyone else fails at stuff because they’re dumb. I can easily figure anything out without trying it in practice, just by oversimplifying it to a level where I can grasp the concept in the first place. I don’t do the whole trying, failing, reflecting, learning, or listening to people things. I don’t even know what they are. I was born a talented, intelligent rational male, I don’t have to.
What do you mean I don’t think about constructive goals? I do that all the time. Constructive goals, like what Elon Musk does. The only flaw in his goals is that he doesn’t hate women enough.
I prove it by appealing to an old and deep cultural narrative that says it’s so. It feels true to me because I’m used to being perceived and treated as more competent than women. I have to protect this feeling and knowledge by making sure that I never end up losing to a woman at anything. I have to work very hard to put down every woman who appears to do better than me or my male identity proxies. But it doesn’t feel like hard work, because I’m not admitting to myself that I’m doing it. Or that I need to.
What I really like is that I can make most women feel like it’s true, too. I have art, culture, tradition, media, societal structures and everyone’s subconscious beliefs on my side. Really helps with the putting down part.
Yes it does, to me. You see, I will only respect moral codes that put any restraints on how the powerful may treat the weak if the code also incorporates a heavy burden of obligation on the weak to stay in their place and serve the strong. Like the old religions do.
Having a moral code that deviates from this model is just pointless and I will not consider it. Because I’m definitely one of the powerful, and that’s not in my rational self-interest.
Nah I mean that according to my world view, men should think and act as a monolith. I’m upset and confused that they don’t, which is why I asked my question in the first place. After all, if I think these things, and all men are rational creatures like myself, driven by the same simplistic, deterministic universal evolutionary motives, it’s a glaring contradiction that men are not collectively doing what I want them to be doing. Help?
Exactly! But that’s not all. First, Schopenhauer is an asshole and that’s always a bonus. Secondly, it validates my self image as a part of the continuum of rational, aloof, intelligent, enlightened, superior white men. I’m hoping others will think so too!
Yeah it’s a bit unclear what I mean there. I may even have forgotten what precisely I was thinking when I wrote it, and if I have and you’ll challenge me on it, I’ll immediately come up with whatever somewhat justifiable interpretation I feel will make me look best, and then perform mental and rhetorical gymnastics to defend it past any reasonable point. It’s a small mistake, but I’ve never admitted to one in my life and will not start now. Care to try me?
Sincerely,
lesbianwalrus
(or maybe just dust bunny, in character as an honest, self-reflective lesbianwalrus)
@Dvarghundspossen:
This reminds me of the three young women in Cleveland, Ohio who were held captive for 10 YEARS. I don’t know if this story was widely reported outside of the US, but a man named Ariel Castro abducted three women, one after the other, and held them prisoners in his house.
I’m calling them women, but one of them was only 14, and I think the last, Amanda Berry, was only 17 when she was abducted.
I’ve read the first abductee, Michelle Knight’s book about her ordeal. Sometimes, she and Castro would have quasi-normal conversations, and he actually brought her a puppy for company, saying “I know you get bored.”. I won’t go into how that puppy eventually ended up.
I remember reading how Ms. Knight expressed her misery to Castro, and he actually said, ” It isn’t supposed to be this way! “. Like, I dunno, she was supposed to just love being his sex slave, or something.
One of the most touching parts of the book, to me, was how Ms. Knight was very upset when the 14 year old girl showed up in Castro’s house. She was able to look outside her own awful situation, and feel empathy for this child caught in Castro’s clutches.
I once read a short story called The Screwfly Solution (theres a really good adaption on the Masters of Horror tv show) the premise is these Aliens cause all the men of the world to attack all the females in the world. Whats particutly creepy is the inflicted men believe that the world will be a paradise again when they wipe out all the women. A cult called Sons of Adam spreads among the infected men that God wants them to do it. Everytime I read about the Incels and the MRAs and the MGTOW, It reminds me of this story. If the woman who wrote it had writtten it today, I bet it would feature a Jordan Peterson like character spreading the “kill all women” message. Its worth reading, its online and you can find the Adaption on youtube or amazon.
P.s the Title is a refrence to the Sterile Insect technique.
Yeah, it’s bizarre notions like this I have to wonder… where did they get the idea that slaves just accept their lot in life? Is it because of the length of time slavery was a fact of American life? The dumb Kanye West “Well, if they were slaves for so long, they must have liked it” kind of “””””logic”””””?
Because if the sheer volume of history regarding slave rebellions isn’t enough to dispel that idea, then I submit not only The Handmaid’s Tale as a testament of how women will resist tyranny even if it surrounds them and binds them physically, but David Lean’s Bridge On The River Kwai provides an example of how brute domination will not deliver your goals. Seriously, this guy reminds me of Colonel Saito in both his arrogance and misapprehension of how humans operate. After all, this is how he greets his prisoners:
When Nicholson points out that the Geneva Convention forbids captured officers from being forced into manual labour, Saito’s response is to slap Nicholson across the face with the document and shout:
When his browbeating doesn’t work, he locks Nicholson in a cramped box in the hot sun for a day, lamenting:
It’s only when Nicholson does endure and is released that Saito is up front about the stakes involved for him:
Ultimately, it is Nicholson’s pride that is his downfall in building the bridge for Saito, but I keep this example close to the chest as an example that brute domination does not break the resolve of a conquered people; in fact, it only strengthens it. There’s a reason that the black and Aboriginal populations of both the US and Canada continue to resist their oppressors. Women of all colours do too.
Well of course slaves just accepted their lot. That’s why you never saw slaves getting beaten or put in chains, why plantation owners never had to worry about slaves running away, and why there were never any laws in the Antebellum South against arming or educating slaves.
It was fucking Valhalla back then, until those beta-cuck abolitionists…wait, how was it that the abolitionists convinced all those docile and easily-enslaved people to not accept it?
I just can’t seem to remember….
When I took US History in college, we had one entire two-hour class devoted a guest speaker who was a Vietnam War veteran. His lecture began with how he the first thing he saw a he deplaned in Vietnam was a large sign that said “If you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.” The rest was centered around what was actually wrong about the saying. Yanno, since the Vietnamese never actually succumbed to the will of the US (or France before that.)