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Now that women have jobs, men can’t control them with money any more: A MGTOW’s lament

Man controlling woman with money … or woman controlling man with sex? Only the MGTOWs know for sure

By David Futrelle

Searching through the archives on Yahoo Answers’ Gender Studies section — which, because the internet is the internet, has been completely overrun with angry lady-haters — I found one anonymous fellow asking a slightly ungrammatical but easily answerable question: “Why women hate MGTOW?”

I can’t speak for women, or even for that relatively small portion of women that even know what MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) means, but I’m guessing the first answer that pops to mind for most MGTOW-haters is: Because MGTOWs keep promising to go their own way, but they never seem to actually do it.

Our anonymous MGTOW friend doesn’t agree, though his attempts to further explain the question inadvertently provide an answer before he gets around to offering his own explicit answer (which happens to be wrong).

He begins by sketching out a vision of sexual and romantic relationships between men and women that is not only oversimplified to the point of absurdity but also rather chilling.

If women control men through sex and attraction then it could be said that men control women through access to resources.

Well, that’s a scary way to look at relationships — as a perpetual war for control in which women manipulate with sex and men with money. And if women control men with their sex appeal, what happens when they hit, say, age 80? Do their husbands cash in their remaining retirement savings to so in search of a younger model?

When women didn’t work men controlled women by controlling the purse strings. Now women have jobs so men can’t put money over women’s heads.

Women have always worked, of course, but apparently it’s unfair to men for women to earn their own money from work because then men can’t control them?

And society doesn’t accept and allow violence so men don’t really have control over women in modern society.

Fucking hell. Why does every MGTOW (not to mention every MRA, every incel, every Red Piller) seem to think like an abuser?

Women are free to do whatever they want.

The horror!

Women of course still use their looks and appearance to attract and manipulate men and society doesn’t see this as against the law. It’s just a harmless lie right?

Women’s “looks and appearance” (which are apparently different things) are a LIE? HOW? Because women wear makeup to look sexier than they “really” are? Because they wear clothing that doesn’t completely hide their body but don’t offer said body to every man who wants to have sex with them?

And how would one go about making it illegal for women to look attractive to men? Would especially “hot” women have to get plastic surgery to look worse?

But men are waking up to this and realizing we don’t have power in relationships and our dealings with women so why bother if all we do is give and all women do is take. 

If this is how you think relations between (straight) men and women work. I’m pretty sure very few women will be terribly troubled if you stop bothering about relationships — or, more to the point, bothering them.

And why are many women in the western world unsatisfied what we men do every single time? If we reject a woman, her friends would also take it personally and attack the man.

Has this ever happened in the history of MGTOWism? I mean, for real, not in their fevered imaginations. It’s hard for me to imagine a woman who wouldn’t be relieved to be “rejected” by one of these creeps.

You know that if we go our own ways in life, you are no value to us. Of course, that is a threat to women.

Insofar as you guys pose a “threat” to women, this isn’t it. I’d be glad to see you guys truly go your own way — preferably far away, like desert island far — and so would every woman I know who even knows what you guys are. The only threats you pose to women is that you won’t go — that you’ll stick around to harass and threaten women online and off, to inflict violence on women, or ever to follow some of your incel brothers by outright murdering people.

Just please go already.

Perhaps even more chilling than this MGTOW’s weird little post is that fact that he has simply stated — albeit in a crude and overly schematic way — what many leading Men’s Rights Activists think. It was Warren Farrell, you may recall, who warned his fellow men of the “miniskirt power” and “cleavage power” women are said to have over even the most powerful men — and who put a naked women’s ass on the cover of the 25th Anniversary edition of his book The Myth of Male Power to remind men of the allegedly fearsome power of  a shapely lady dumper.

These aren’t fringe ideas amongst misogynists. They’re central to their worldview. And that — not the attempts by a subculture of angry dudes to boycott the so-called sexual marketplace  —  is a real threat to women.

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Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Trump has kicked Congress to the curb & the spineless sycophants take it because they are afraid that criticizing him will cost them votes.

A dead-end road, since not standing up to Trump is likely to cost them much more than just votes. I’ll let Grand Moff Tarkin explain further:

The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I’ve just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.

_CEEFAX_
_CEEFAX_
2 years ago

This stuff always gets me tbh, like how can you think this way? You get this weird contingent who frame men being the primary or sole breadwinners as gynocentrism somehow because women use… sex, I guess? Never mind the historical and even present norms around that. Which would mean that ‘power’ that women have is still controlled and subjugated in men’s favour so… Fuck it, I’ve no clue.

Honestly it got me thinking about how MRAs talk about gender and history, and how we study gender. (God forbid you call that ‘gender studies’ because no one should specialise in that ever either according to these guys).

I came across this by an MRA, with the ‘men were forced to work while women were not’ (hell, the thread):
https://mobile.twitter.com/manumiss1on/status/1003991072173768705

And I’m wondering if any history buffs can help me out here.

_CEEFAX_
_CEEFAX_
2 years ago

Because honestly the historical narratives of MRAs are coming to my attention

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
2 years ago

CEEFAX, all of the points they bring up forget one thing: For much of history, women were not considered people, and couldn’t have money or assets.

Of COURSE husbands are responsible for their wives debts. Who else could pay them?

This also stood out to me:

The result of this is that men spend nearly twice as much of their total time working than women – 66% vs 34%.
(35)
[United Nations Development Program, Human Development Report, 1995, table 4.2.]

‘Working’ means, I assume, outside of the home. Because we all know that running a home and caring for children (the tweet right below this) is not work at all, right?

Also, women have always worked outside of the home as well. They worked in mines, in factories, on farms, as servants, etc. Having a wife stay at home is a mark of luxury.

I don’t think I would want to be a stay at home parent. I don’t think that would be good for me at all. But people should have the option of any parent staying home, without being criticized for it. So in that, I can agree with that tweeter.

Devaluing women’s contribution to the world and forgetting that many have only received the vote in the past 100 years (or less, if they aren’t white women)? I am not in agreement there at all.

_CEEFAX_
_CEEFAX_
2 years ago

Thanks

Do you know any sources on like, the personhood of women in that respect? Or not being able to own money or assets?

Thanks
It’s that, like, it’s scarily easy to go ‘Ok here’s my twitter thread’ and just straight up misrepresent a subject to a wide audience

More propaganda debunking is needed

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ CEEFAX (Cool nym btw)

Jane Austen’s novels were basically a commentary on women and property (and women as property). She was an advocate for legal reform, and was given quite a bit of credit when this Act was passed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_Women%27s_Property_Act_1870

_CEEFAX_
_CEEFAX_
2 years ago

It’s intriguing tbh, that this law was passed while some medieval scholars point out in turn that some women did inherit property in the middle ages depending by time/region

It reminds me that we can in fact slide backwards.

Drew
Drew
1 year ago

So.. we can keep our money and get out of the relationship? whats the catch?