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Women can’t be depressed, and are only sad when men don’t give them attention, Incel brain genius declares

When women cry, it’s just special effects

By David Futrelle

Incels seem to think that they are the only people on earth who have problems. They regularly claim that women are literally incapable of feeling real depression, feeling sad only when they’re temporarily denied the adoring attention they’ve come to expect. As if that’s how any of this works.

On the Braincels subreddit today, one incel brain genius argued that female “depression” — yes, with scare quotes — is “voluntary.”

 Daily reminder that women who are 'depressed' are voluntarily so (self.Braincels) submitted 4 hours ago by raspectwahmenRespecting Women They have society at their backs, coddling them, worshiping them, declaring them perpetual victims and perfect beings that are not responsible for anything except the good that they do. They all have boyfriends, or are waiting for the perfect Chad, all while slutting on the side by riding the cock carousel. They can never be lonely, they can never be unappreciated, and they can never be truly sad. Women do not have depression. They aren't capable of it. What they have is momentary sadness that they haven't received the attention that they are used to.

Incels constantly complain that no one understands their pain, that no one else goes through what they go through. In fact, innumerable people go through the exact same things — feeling loneliness, despair, hopelessness — and somehow manage to do it without getting murderously angry and dismissing the problems of everyone else on earth as imaginary.

I’ve dealt with clinical depression, spending years of my life untreated and basically fumbling around in the dark. I’ve been close to a number of women (and men) who have also dealt with clinical depression and/or other mental illnesses, in some cases worse than mine even at its most severe. They all got better after they got help, though it sometimes took years. We all feel bitter at times, but none of us lashed out at the world and assumed that no one but us ever felt like shit or had to deal with real issues.

Incels, your depression is real, and not your fault. But it’s also not the fault of women, or feminism, or your height, or any of the other convenient scapegoats you like to yell about online. Your ideology is toxic. It makes your life worse. It makes the world worse. Unlike your depression, it’s something you chose. You don’t have to allow that shit into your head. It’s voluntary, and as long as you choose to believe it your life will remain shitty. Get off of Braincels. Get off of Incels.me. Get help. Fix yourselves.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Incels, your depression is real

I’m not convinced it is. I think one of the many obnoxious things about Incel culture is how they appropriate genuine suffering and mock it for their own amusement. Like all their ‘LDAR’ and ‘roping’ BS. It’s just like their vile slanders on autism.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

“LDAR” and “roping”?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It’s always amazing to me that misogynists manage to simultaneously believe both that women are crazy and irrational and driven by emotion and that women can’t be mentally ill because their pain is not real and they do not feel suffering the way men do. It just depends on what is more convenient in the moment.

It’s not like only incels believe this either. It’s common for misgoynists of all stripes to claim this.

C.A.Collins
C.A.Collins
2 years ago

@Surplus. LDAR is lay down and rot, but roping can’t mean what it usually slangs as, unless maybe they’re complaining about jizz backup?

Austin G Loomis
2 years ago

@Surplus: The gizoogle led me to Urban Dictionary for LDAR (“Lay Down And Rot”), but I had to search ‘roping incel’ to get a proper match there (to “rope” is apparently to hang oneself, and I’m so glad I googled that poem and didn’t go on attributing it to Dorothy Parker).

Indigo
Indigo
2 years ago

Well I guess it’s a good thing that they’re incels, as telling a girl what and how she feels is invalid is a GREAT way to not get dates or a girlfriend. In that case then, just leave women alone, stop whining about them, and move on.

It’s a shame that some girl could come along and think one of these guys was cute and be able to relate in some ways to how he feels, but get blown off because her own feelings “aren’t real.”

Z&T
Z&T
2 years ago

@ David,

Very heartfelt and wise comments on depression. 🙂
It’s very heartening to see that you want to help others too.

My usual friends and are I sitting around right now drinking beer. It’s awfully hot. To point at these people, and myself, I don’t think any of us has been seriously depressed. “Situationally depressed,” maybe. So someone like us may only know but an edge of it. Circumstantial things.

With that said, we were thinking about putting something on the ‘harassment thread’ here, but there is so, so much. A weird thing that came to mind, and our pal T here says it’s ok to relay it, – she was involved with some guy, fairly serious, met the parents and all that. Parents got a new dog.

Friend and this BF went to parents house and dog wagged tail and went up to our friend here, – and the BF BLEW UP! about it! Got extremely angry because the dog “liked her better”. Seriously?

This happened 10+ years ago, and if I didn’t know this woman, I’d be scratching my head.

And then today, I found these things:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8rpkt5/mogged_by_dogchad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/8rsp88/a_dog_named_chad/

They are literally jealous – of dogs. Including CARTOON dogs.

I don’t want to comment on any mental state, off the cuff I’d say these people might be wallowing in self pity.

Jealous of dogs?

And no kidding, T here, it happened! Guy blew up and went into a rage because his parents dog walked up to her first.

That might be a sign of an anger problem also.

This guy though, friends exBF, this guy is a textbook example of a manure spherian. This is how the rest of us figured it out, and only because she offhandedly mentioned that ‘this guy’ listened to Tom Leykis on the radio.

That’s where I started on all this, researching. And (these types) TELL MEN to act like assholes!

A lot of them will “cry depression” too. They are not depressed, they are co opting serious depression.

It’s an attempt to trigger emotions to see who will stick around. Some people do it subconsciously, some do it deliberately, from what they see on these sites.

ETA to fix a typo and, clarity.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

*warning for suicide discussion*

Yeah, they’re always going on about ‘roping’ but just in a facetious way. They’ve been on about a petition that Dignitas should accept inceldom as a qualifying criteria. Not in the slightest bit genuine of course. Having lost someone to depression it does somewhat piss me off that they just use suicide as a ‘meme’.

(As you may have noticed I’m not a huge fan of incels anyway)

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

It’s always amazing to me that misogynists manage to simultaneously believe both that women are crazy and irrational and driven by emotion and that women can’t be mentally ill because their pain is not real and they do not feel suffering the way men do.

I suspect it is because they do not think of women as sapient beings at all. They consider women in the same way that assholes consider animals or insects- creatures that are driven entirely by instinct and completely incapable of actual emotion or suffering in the way that a real person is.

Dreamer
Dreamer
2 years ago

Diagnosed with clinical depression many years ago – still fighting it. I never sat around wondering if someone else’s feelings were “real” or “faked.” My problem is a matter of brain chemistry, no one’s fault. Why do these guys believe they are wise enough to judge and understand others when they clearly have no understanding of themselves?

sylvia bath
sylvia bath
2 years ago

Oh my god! Just the other day a guy was telling me I couldn’t possibly be depressed because I laugh and smile too much! I find it ironic because laughing easily is actually a skill I’ve had to teach myself to deal with social anxiety.

@Catalpa You’re exactly right. I’ve seen manospherians claiming women are incapable of love, sadness, loneliness and sexual pleasure. They are under the illusion that if they’ve never felt or experienced something, it must be a massive conspiracy because they, angry (usually) white guys, are representative of the human experience. Even if they do get a date, they won’t experience real romantic connection with a woman until they learn to see women as fully human people.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Sooo….

ICE is promoting some program for veteran employment on their Twitter with the Orwellian name HERO and it features a picture of a blond dude with a fucking iron cross tat on his elbow

https://twitter.com/ICEgov/status/1000032995384807425

I know I’m starting to sound like a broken record, but what the actual fuck?

It’s a few weeks old but it’s just going viral now. It’ll be interesting to see if this gets the attention of the mainstream media at all. I mean, they are literally looking for good Gestapo members here.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

So glad that these guys, who know nothing about anything, incel-splain women to me.

I had no idea that society worshiped me!

Nor did I realize that I was having sexxxy sex with Chad all the time and was never lonely!

Also previously unrealized: I am never truly sad. Maybe I’m sad. But sadness that is worthy of an incel? I’ll never experience that because I lack a certain essential je ne sais quoi.

Uly
Uly
2 years ago

All women have boyfriends? Is this what life is like in the Berenstein/Shazam universe?

The Real Cie
2 years ago

I KNEW there was something I forgot to do this weekend. I didn’t ride the Cock Carousel! Sheesh, no wonder I’m depressed! Silly, flaky lady brain, always forgetting the important stuff. It’s a good thing I have all these boyfriends coddling and worshiping me to make me feel oh so much better.

calmdown
calmdown
2 years ago

Because people who have sex NEVER feel depressed. /s

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

If people want me to stop dropping off topic politics stuff in thread, please do let me know and I’ll try to keep it to a weekly thing or wait for a related post or something.

But since nobody has expressed annoyance yet, I’m gonna just go on about it some more because there’s something on my mind.

I was watching Westworld tonight and thinking about how I loved it and how it keeps getting better and better. Seriously, if you’re not watching it yet, do start. Anyway, it lead me to think about how we don’t know what, popular culture wise Trump likes. Most of the time, presidents will mention their favorite things, show their humanity. Trump never does. I know that Obama likes Game of Thrones, House of Cards and basketball. What the fuck is Trump interested in besides money and power? Has he ever mentioned favorite movies, TV shows, sports? He has no pets. As much as evangelicals love him, he doesn’t appear to be religious. He doesn’t seem to have an interest in a science, in literature, in any art that isn’t a portrait of him. Maybe he likes golf given that he frequently does it, but golfing is the way business bros make deals in a relaxed setting. I’ve seen no indication that he’s passionate about golf, I think he does it just because it’s what rich men do. The only other person he seems to care for is Ivanka and he pretty clearly sees her as a younger, prettier, female extension of himself. There’s just, nothing there. I think it might be the most chilling thing about him.

Maybe Chuck Tingle is actually right about him being crabs from the void in a human suit? Because what real human being has no interests, hobbies or passions?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@WWTH
Unfair! The president has one all-consuming interest, hobby, and passion: Donald J. Trump.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

What the fuck is Trump interested in besides money and power?

Unfair! The president has one all-consuming interest, hobby, and passion: Donald J. Trump.

He’s also a big fan of raping young girls.

(I apologise for the dark snark, but I don’t know of any other way to deal with the US being ruled over by a paedophile and the media not giving one single solitary damn.)

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
2 years ago

I’m AFAB agender.

Last year I spent four months in hospital due to depression.

It took that, a ton of therapy afterwards, and serious medication to get me back on an even keel.

Not sure if I’ll ever go beyond partial remission.

And I’ll never be able to live without medication.

But sure, incels, tell me what REAL depression is like.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Z&T

They are literally jealous – of dogs. Including CARTOON dogs.

The manosphere has some funny ideas about dogs, doesn’t it? There’s even a few articles on here…

Replace women’s brains with dog brains so they’ll have sex with us, Incel proposes
Hot dead chick reveals dark female secrets to Return of Kings, including the dog stuff

@weirwoodtreehugger

What the fuck is Trump interested in besides money and power? … There’s just, nothing there. I think it might be the most chilling thing about him.

There was a semi-humorous article I remember reading a little while ago, suggesting that Trump was a zombie (in the p-zombie sense). Everything he appears to like or want seems to come from some cliche of american society that could be readily copied by something with no internal life. Steak, supermodels, seething contempt for everyone not white or male, etc etc. All just adaptive camoflage.

Can’t find it now though, which is irritating.

Simon
Simon
2 years ago

I’ll just leave these here


Part one
https://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2013/05/depression-part-two.html

Format fail. Dunno why. Both parts seem to be here though.

Gatecrasher
Gatecrasher
2 years ago

@WWTH

I also think it’s weird that it is possible for people to simultaneously think that women are “emotional creatures” but also that their feelings aren’t real. Maybe it’s the Women-are-hormonal-trope? Like, when a man is angry it’s because he is angry. When a woman is angry, it’s because it’s that time of the month again. Men’s feelings are pure and real, whereas women’s are artificial, produced by hormones.

Even though everyone has hormones, and everyone’s hormones can have effects on all kinds of bodily functions with direct and indirect effects on mood and feelings, it is only women who are so drugged by their own hormones they can no longer function. There are a multitude of hormones, and every one’s hormonal levels change constantly, to keep the body functioning in an ever-changing world, but only women have “cycles”!

It is not normal physiology to be incapacitated by ones hormones. I mean, one can be, but in that scenario, one has an endocrine/gynecological/psychiatric disorder, it is not “just being a woman”.

But I guess it is very convenient to say that somebody’s anger is just silly hormone feewings and not real anger. That means you don’t have to listen to them.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@WWTH

No, *thank you* for posting that Twitter link, people need to see it. It gives me some hope how many people are calling it, but holy fuck, things are scary right now.

I’m remembering a thing a former friend told me, about FBI work back in like 2012 that found white supremacist groups infiltrating law enforcement up to a very high level – not just Nazi beat cops, but Nazi cops getting higher up in the power structure. By now that infiltration would be quite complete.

This is very bad. There needs to be complete noncooperation from citizens, on a massive scale.

@Everyone who’s dealt with depression

Been there. 🙁 Without my psych med and HRT regimens I’m pretty useless. The level of social gaslighting though, oh my gods, my freaking therapist used to give me grief about how my feelings weren’t real because depression. And the level of denial about the role trauma plays in it. It’s fucking terrible.

I can understand why people do this – bringing yourself eye to eye with a depressed person is REALLY hard, exhausting work, and the boundaries you need to set are not intuitive – but oh my gods. It just hurts so much. And my depression is well managed now, but honestly I don’t know how people without depression even exist

dust bunny
dust bunny
2 years ago

It’s a shame that some girl could come along and think one of these guys was cute and be able to relate in some ways to how he feels, but get blown off because her own feelings “aren’t real.”

No it isn’t. It’s a good thing. Anything that warns innocent women off these guys is a huge plus.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Most of the time, presidents will mention their favorite things, show their humanity. Trump never does.

He DID mention that he kept a book of Hitler’s speeches next to his bed. Does that count?

Otherwise, he apparently really likes Fox and Friends, and apparently his aides have a hard time getting him to stop watching television. Given what he tweets about, I assume what he enjoys watching is anything about him.

Also, I completely don’t mind having the off-topic political stuff being contributed! It’s good to be informed. Only problem I have is sometimes not being able to find the post again for reference because I can’t remember which thread it was posted on, since it was off topic.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Most of the time, presidents will mention their favorite things, show their humanity. Trump never does.

One thing I noticed the other day was a tweet from Trump (I think it was the Robert DeNiro one) where he used the epithet “low IQ”. Now that of course has become a standard insult/response on the Incel forums; and it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s common to other cesspits too.

Now I’m not suggesting that means Trump does frequent such sites, but would anybody be surprised if it turned out he did?

Wondering
Wondering
2 years ago

Trump likes Citizen Kane. There’s an interview with him where he said the lesson to learn from CK was to make sure you have a good, loyal woman by your side. Because of course that’s the lesson he took.

BuzzFeed has an analysis.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonwillmore/how-donald-trump-rewrote-citizen-kane?utm_term=.iqn8Xmwj5#.xpqbm2eMD

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
2 years ago

Yup, I take two 150 mg capsules of Effexor every damn day because I’m pretending my condition is real and I’m trying to get sympathy from people. Not because my neurochemistry will make my life and attention span hell without it. It’s all a big illusion.

Assholes.

Cindy
Cindy
2 years ago

I apologize if this is going to far, but personally, if an incel were to “rope” himself…

I don’t think I’d care.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m remembering a thing a former friend told me, about FBI work back in like 2012 that found white supremacist groups infiltrating law enforcement up to a very high level – not just Nazi beat cops, but Nazi cops getting higher up in the power structure. By now that infiltration would be quite complete.

Have you seen this story?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest

Notice this little gem.

Officers also worked with TWP member Derik Punneo to try to identify anti-fascist activists, recordings revealed. Officers interviewed Punneo in jail after he was for an unrelated domestic violence charge. Audio recordings captured investigators saying they brought photos to show him, hoping he could help them identify anti-fascist activists.

Domestic violence. Because of course cops are sympathetic to the perpetrators of domestic violence as well as racist. Gee, I wonder why women don’t report?

Anyway, this story comes out of CA. Imagine how white supremacist the cops are in the former confederate states where the police force was already historically full of KKK members. I’m not sure how much infiltration the neo-nazis really had to do.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Wondering:

Trump likes Citizen Kane. There’s an interview with him where he said the lesson to learn from CK was to make sure you have a good, loyal woman by your side. Because of course that’s the lesson he took.

Thanks for the Buzzfeed link: that was fascinating. I guess Trump must have had a longer attention span back then: ok, he hilariously misread the film, but nowadays I doubt he’d even sit through it. This is a guy who is known to fast-forward through movies to watch the exciting bits.

Mostly, though, I was sad that that Errol Morris project fell through. Morris is a terrific documentarian, and that film would certainly have been enlightening in ways Trump wouldn’t understand.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Knitting Cat Lady

I’m AFAB agender.

“AFAB”?

@Pie:

There was a semi-humorous article I remember reading a little while ago, suggesting that Trump was a zombie (in the p-zombie sense). Everything he appears to like or want seems to come from some cliche of american society that could be readily copied by something with no internal life. Steak, supermodels, seething contempt for everyone not white or male, etc etc. All just adaptive camoflage.

Ever read “Quantum Night” by Robert Sawyer?

I did. Shortly before the 2016 election. This whole situation is even more giving me the heebie-jeebies because of that. And in the real world I don’t expect some SF deus ex machina to save the day, either …

@WWTH:

Officers also worked with TWP member Derik Punneo to try to identify anti-fascist activists, recordings revealed. Officers interviewed Punneo in jail after he was for an unrelated domestic violence charge.

Because of course that was why he was in jail. Scratch a neo-Nazi, find a domestic abuser, every single time.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
2 years ago

@Surplus: AFAB = Assigned Female At Birth

Similar term is AMAB, Assigned Male At Birth

Usually the first thing the midwife or other birth assistant says once the kid is born.

‘It’s a girl/boy!’

They are right the vast majority of time.

Talonknife
Talonknife
2 years ago

As a Criminal Justice major and an aspiring FBI applicant, I’m honestly ashamed about the state of the police force in America.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Did Trump actually watch Citizen Kane, or did he just read through the Wikipedia summary? Either wouldn’t surprise me. People on the right are really terrible at interpreting movies, literature and television.

Monzach
Monzach
2 years ago

Hey Mammotheers. Long time since I posted here last. I’m wondering if there’s an active open thread right now as I really need to vent about something. I tried to look for one but didn’t spot one anywhere during the last month or so. 🙁

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@David
What about a dedicated open thread that’s always on the sidebar?

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
2 years ago

@Monzach Not lately. David brought up that very topic in this thread, so hopefully there’ll be one soon.

Jaygee
Jaygee
2 years ago

Re: Nazis in the police. I remember having a conversation with my teaching coach a couple years ago about a friend working in the Oakland police department being reprimanded for de-escalating a situation. We were talking about people from Oakland having a hard time making it a better place when the people in charge make decisions that negatively impact the community. So then she told me about how in the 70s the OPD was actively recruiting white supremacists from the south. It’s just mind boggling why they would be so antagonistic to the community.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Usually the first thing the midwife or other birth assistant says once the kid is born.

‘It’s a girl/boy!’

They are right the vast majority of time.

*blinks* …I mean, you’re not strictly wrong, transgender and nonbinary people are a relatively small portion of the total population. But I’m not sure why you felt the need to emphasize that the assigned gender at birth is usually right?

Bina
2 years ago

@calmdown:

Because people who have sex NEVER feel depressed. /s

Yeah…like me, the last time I was in a serious relationship and routinely getting laid. None of it made any difference to my depression, except maybe to make it worse. Once I even had an orgasm while with my then boyfriend, but burst into tears immediately after, because it hadn’t helped at all. It just reminded me how very sick and miserable I was. If an orgasm doesn’t have the power to make you feel wonderful about yourself, what good is it? I thought I must be truly terrible to be so ungrateful for that, which is typical of the stinking thinking that goes on when one is that deep in the toilet.

And of course, the boyfriend himself was no help at all; when he wasn’t using shallow and stupid (and often sexist) tactics to try to jolly me out of it, he was making my already low self-esteem nonexistent by telling me my ass was too big and he didn’t find me attractive anymore. (Item: I was still physically the exact same person I’d been when we started seeing each other; the only difference was that I wasn’t sick and miserable when the relationship began. THEN, he had to be reminded to keep his eyes on the road, because he kept staring at me while he was driving!)

Honestly, the only thing keeping me from killing myself was a lack of energy, brought about by a sickness that had me alternately dizzy with fear, filled with horror at my own morbid thoughts, and totally lethargic in between bouts of fear and horror. The sickness was real, and physical. If my boyfriend had been wiser, he’d have dragged me off to the doctor to get some meds. But I guess these dim bulb incels would just say I was faking that suicidal depression because I was hitting the wall (I was 26 at the time) and panicking that no one would want me anymore, just because some wanker that I have since gotten completely over thought my very average, not-bad ass was too big.

Fuck them, and I don’t mean sexually. (It wouldn’t help them anyway.)

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Interesting how being celibate is involuntary, but being depressed is voluntary.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

OT: wow, this twitter thread went to an unexpected and important place.

On depression, I don’t think I can add anything to what the rest of you have written. But this idea that you can’t really be depressed if you have some good things in your life really needs to die.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
2 years ago

@Moggie

OMG 🙁

That feels very real though. Not just on a “humans are flawed” level, but re the way some people (usually men in my experience) talk really big about ethical principles while also callously violating those principles, and *somehow don’t see it*. It’s a pattern that I’ve seen a lot of with abusers.

Makes me wonder if they actually know it and are self-loathing underneath, or really can’t see the hypocrisy at all.

@WWTH

Yeah, I saw that, though I’d forgotten the bit about the collaborator’s DV charge. Good catch there. 🙁

And yes, the infiltration couldn’t have happened if cops weren’t utter garbage to start with. And the FBI likewise – thinking of the far-right factions at work re the stuff with Comey and Clinton. Like attracts like.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 years ago

@Cyborgette : I think he don’t see anything yet, and I would dare to say that people who don’t doubt themselves are *MUCH* more likely to not see that they are going haywire. Like, that guy was persuaded to be a paragon of vertu because he was well-learned and principled. But because him being virtuous was so evident, he didn’t checked twice if he still acted on his principle. He lived long enough to become the villain.

Some people say that self confidence is never a bad thing, and truth be told it’s useful and it can help avoid depression ; but thoses guys show why like self confidence need to have some bounds.

(as a side note, I am well aware that someone can both be overconfident and suffer from low self esteem. I just don’t see thoses kind of guy to actually be aware of their specific hypocrisy ; I almost never seen that kind of guy actually show sign of being aware of that)

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Buttercup Q. Skullpants | June 18, 2018 at 2:57 pm
Interesting how being celibate is involuntary, but being depressed is voluntary.

Right??? Isn’t it weird how everything they’re sad about is totally an Act of God, but whenever someone else has problems, it’s all made up and not real.

Which kinda leads me into this line of thought I’ve been tossing about the last few weeks: Inceldom is a destructive cult. While most cults are religious in nature, Inceldom is a particularly odd duck in that it doesn’t consist of a single religious practice.

I’m not a cult expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I have been listening to a few podcasts about them from different people out of curiosity, and some things have stuck out to me when we talk about Incels. Things that destructive cults have been known to do.

Some examples:

-The Us/Them Mentality is something they espouse all the time. “You’re with us, or you’re against us.” They seek to separate themselves from “Chads/Stacies/Normies”, and to also cast them as their enemy. They also encourage this behavior in others, to the point where they are likely separating themselves from friends/family and obviously healthy relationships with other people. Everyone is a potential enemy or a commodity to them, rather than a person. Women in particular are dehumanized to objects/cattle.

-Intolerance of Dissent About Their Beliefs: Anything that goes against their Doctrine is immediately hand-waved away, in ways that don’t make sense to an outsider. They don’t tolerate dissent from many people, or else the person asking questions is one of “Them”, and they just don’t understand, or it’s framed as “persecution” of them for being Incels.

-Unreasonable Fear of the Outside World: Incels show a massive amount of fear of being harmed or rejected by the outside world, and many incels come to the community because they feel as though they were rejected. This can also lead to seperation with friends and family, and thus bringing them deeper into the cult mentality.

-Feelings of Unworthiness: Coupling with their unreasonable fears of rejection comes with a feeling of “never being good enough”. Now, in some cults, this is usually in a way of “I’m not good enough for My Leader”, but in terms of Incels, they’re made to feel like they’re just not good enough period. Wrist size, the tilt of their eyes, the color of their skin, and so on and so forth are all presented as reasons why they are incel, and thus are scum to “them”.

-The Leader is Always Right: While Incels don’t have a singular individual at their helm, they still have a version of dogma. Their groupthink is the way of the world, period. “We are scum, we are persecuted for things we have no control over, the world is against us, women will never love us.” and so on and so forth. Their mantra is one that cannot be questioned.

-Doctrine Over Person: All their dogma is sacred and cannot be challenged, even when personal belief says otherwise. Their groupthink is dominated by this dogma, a single interpretation of belief of how the world works.

Sources:
Quackwatch.com

FutureConscience.com

This is by no means a full list, nor is it more than a cursory glance at the things I’ve noticed, but yeah. This has really been bouncing in my brain.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

The Leader is Always Right

Inceldom has taken a leaf from 1984 in that it’s adopted mythical ‘leaders’ like ER or that ‘St Blackops2cel’. So they can never be let down by them. Which ironically gets back to your original point that there’s a lot of almost religious trappings.

Note that the overlapping kekistan mob have made Pepe a god (tied in with some Egyptian deity).

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Cyborgette:

That feels very real though. Not just on a “humans are flawed” level, but re the way some people (usually men in my experience) talk really big about ethical principles while also callously violating those principles, and *somehow don’t see it*. It’s a pattern that I’ve seen a lot of with abusers.

I’m afraid that’s now my default assumption about American Christians, and Sessions and his “lock children in cages because bible” didn’t surprise me. I expect large numbers of evangelical voters will continue to support this.