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“The most a slut loses when being raped is a couple of minutes,” argues MaleForeverAlone subreddit moderator

Man inspecting women for possible sluthood, 1922

By David Futrelle

Last November, Reddit banned the Incels subreddit for inciting violence against women; most of those incels who stuck around on Reddit now post in the more carefully modded, if still awful, Braincels subreddit. But on the much smaller MaleForeverAlone subreddit, some of Reddit’s most extreme incels regularly post things as horrific as anything that could be found on the original incels subreddit.

I’ve been highlighting some of these posts. Here’s one from today posted by Holyheavens, one of the subreddit’s moderators, explaining why he thinks that only “chaste women” can be truly harmed by rape.

He starts by setting forth his criteria for distinguishing “chaste women” from “promiscuous sluts.”

A chaste woman is either a virgin, a married woman who’s only partner in her life has been her husband or a remarried widow. In each of these instances, no fornication took place.

I define the promiscuous slut as a woman who’s had sexual relations with more than partner in her life safe for remarried widows as mentioned above.

I’m lenient on premarital sex only if it’s done with her one and only lifepartner.

Just to be clear: the percentage of women who meet Holyheaven’s definition of a “chaste woman” is a tiny one. These days, only about 5 percent of women who marry are virgins on their wedding day.

Moving on the topic of rape; a distinction should be made on the severity of punishment depending on whether the victim falls in one of either categories.

And this is where Holyheaven’s post starts to get really ugly.

The chaste woman can be considered to have been truly traumatized in case of rape, because she has been sullied and bereft of her dignity she was taught to uphold.

The promiscuous slut has no dignity or principles to speak of in the first place. It can barely be considered human because it immediately acts on lust like a wild beast without considering the consequences.

Literal dehumanization. Calling the alleged “promiscuous slut” an “it” is a nice touch.

Such a creature ought best to pursue a career of prostitution, considering it has no value as a mother or wife. It’s not much different from a sexual object.

And now he’s reduced her to a thing.

The most it loses when being raped is a couple of minutes. What is one dick more after having been penetrated by various others?

JFC.

A rapist who’s raped a woman in the first category must receive a heavy punishment. Chaste women should be protected from being dirtied at all costs for they are the (future) wifes of moral men. So the death penalty is fitting.

So even “chaste women” only have value as wives or “future wives” for men.

A rapist who’s raped a woman in the second category must pay a fine to the raped slut. A slut is not much different from a prostitute -except that she gives her c*nt out for free to various men which could be considered as even worse than prostitution- so why not at least pay her to keep things fair and treat her for the whore she is?

Really not grasping the concept of “consent,” huh? Or at least denying that it applies to the allegedly beneath-human-creature-objects who make up the vast majority of women in the United States.

The single commenter in this thread somehow makes it worse.

“I wouldn’t even give the 2nd rapist a fine to be honest,” writes someone called 7339er. “She should think of [the rape] as repayment for that male incel’s taxes paying for her free abortions and birth control.”

Lovely.

NOTE: At some point while I was writing this post, one of the moderators of  r/MaleForeverALone deleted Holyheaven’s post — and then when I checked again, it was back up. (This is why I archive and screenshot.) Apparently the mods of the subreddit can’t decide how worried they should be about the subreddit being banned. And frankly, given Reddit’s continuing reluctance to crack down on even blatantly hateful subreddits until they begin to be a PR problem, I’m not sure either.

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Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
2 years ago

Why do these pathetic creatures call their blog “Braincels”? That implies they possess brains.

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
2 years ago

Jockeying for a leadership position in some future real life Gilead? He’s too stupid to even a Commander’s driver.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

One wonders why they’re forever alone with such woundrous personalities such as theirs /s

Bina
2 years ago

The most these assholes lose when their subreddits are banned is some vile pixels. Somehow, that doesn’t compare with the trauma of having unwanted sexual penetration forced upon one, regardless of how “chaste” one was beforehand. (Newsflash: Experienced women are still just as traumatized by rape as the most intact of cloistered virgins, you fucking asswipes.)

Bina
2 years ago

@Katherine:

Why do these pathetic creatures call their blog “Braincels”? That implies they possess brains.

Right? I feel like referring to every one of these guys as an “it”. The pronoun best befitting a mindless, brainless, perpetually defecating anus, in other words.

Jane
Jane
2 years ago

I hope someone chops their dicks off with garden shears; that surely won’t be at all traumatic to them at all!

Capybara
Capybara
2 years ago

Why do these pathetic creatures call their blog “Braincels”? That implies they possess brains.

It’s because they haven’t even gotten as far as taking off a woman’s bra.

Capybara
Capybara
2 years ago

Does giving one’s d*ck to various women count as prostitution too?

Capybara
Capybara
2 years ago

A slut is not much different from a prostitute—except that he gives his d*ck out for free to various women which could be considered as even worse than prostitution.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
2 years ago

So what you’re saying, guys, is that the only legitimate way a woman can have sex with more than one man is if she kills each guy before moving on the next one?

Sorry, couldn’t resist. These people are terrifying.

Question: have any of them started acting out because the MPR raccoon turned out to be female?

Valkyrine
Valkyrine
2 years ago

“repayment for that male incel’s taxes”… So he thinks this hypothetical rapist to be an incel? Is he being self aware of their movement without realizing what he is saying?

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
2 years ago

Wow, this is another case of misandry on top of misogyny. Apparently, sex with multiple men “sullies” women. What does that say about men??

Come join the Slut Nation, everyone!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

I define the promiscuous slut as a woman who’s had sexual relations with more than partner in her life safe for remarried widows as mentioned above.

I can see that what Holyheaven has written is hateful and (inexplicably) arrogant and condescending, but I’m short on details because he hasn’t bothered to edit his terrible expression of his terrible, terrible ideas: “with more than partner in her life safe for remarried widows” is incomprehensible.

No doubt he figures that everything about himself, including his writing, is perfect. There’s no need to reread and edit — that’s for losers.

I’m lenient on premarital sex only if it’s done with her one and only lifepartner.

I certainly appreciate this guy’s lenience.

It can barely be considered human because it immediately acts on lust like a wild beast without considering the consequences.

Apparently the subject of this sentence can never be male, even though many men act on lust without considering the consequences.

Also, I’m left wondering what exactly is his problem with wild beasts.

Is it because he himself is a really sorry specimen of humanity?

Yes. Yes, it is.

Kevin
Kevin
2 years ago

@ Ooglyboggles

‘Woundrous’ – love the new portmanteau word. Brilliant description of the incel mind set.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

This is why incels shouldn’t be dismissed as “crazy” or otherwise treated like outliers completely unconnected from the culture as a whole. The notion that you can’t rape a woman who has had premarital sex is hardly a new one. It’s the whole reason we had to have rape shield laws.

Incels just take everyday misogyny to its logical extreme and it’s foolish to pretend otherwise.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

It actually makes sense given the pattern:

wristcel -> rejected by women for having inadequate wrists

heightcel -> rejected by women for having inadequate height

braincel -> rejected by women for having inadequate brains

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Podkayne Lives
You brought the adorbs MPR raccoon to my attention.

I’m fascinated by the fact that this creature was widely labeled male by default — until proven otherwise. Take that, entire “men’s rights” “movement”!

My own theory is that she was doing her best to break the glass ceiling.

It turns out that you’ve got to work inside the system (in this case, the UBS Plaza tower) in order to break said ceiling. Who knew! Nobody knew. But now we all know, thanks to Ms. Raccoon.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

By this dipshit’s logic, wouldn’t only the first person to rape a “chaste” woman be considered deserving of the death penalty? A woman who has been raped has had sex with someone who is not her husband, and therefore falls into the “slut” category. There’s no point in protecting a sex object that has already been tarnished, after all.

What a disgusting viewpoint. I hope that he and all his ilk on braincels never interact with any woman ever. If they aren’t rapists yet, they’re definitely aspiring to become one.

Chris O
Chris O
2 years ago

Somebody needs to go Seal Team Six on these assholes. I’m not kidding.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
2 years ago

Is it wrong of me that my first reaction to reading this headline is “Welp, we know how long you last?”

Answer: Yes. Yes it is. But at least it’s the sort of insult this dipshit might actually understand.

Miss Cobalt
Miss Cobalt
2 years ago

@rabid rabbit

I had the same inappropriate thought, lol

Headless Unicorn Guy
Headless Unicorn Guy
2 years ago

“Holyheaven” is THE most extreme case of Virgin/Whore Dichotomy I have ever encountered. He makes Taliban/ISIS-level Islam look like extreme feminism.

From his handle “Holyheaven” and his definitions of “chaste woman” and “promiscuous slut”, he’s either lunatic-fringe Fundagelical Christian or posing as such.

As for whether he’s for real or a poser going “See How Clever I Am?”, you can’t afford to take the chance he’s not for real. Not when he’s talking that crazy. In an Age of Extremes like today, as far out and over-the-top and crazy you can get in trolling, there’s going to be a True Believer out there twice as far out, twice as over-the-top, twice as crazy, and DEAD SERIOUS. (Case in point, “Holyheaven”s only commenter.)

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

Way to earn that “forever alone” sobriquet. Because these men surely will be.

Laugher at Bigots, Mewling Mouseman

@Headless Unicorn Guy

Here, we don’t insult the mentally ill by comparing them to incels or any equivalently horrendous characters. Please refer to the comments policy.

Bina
2 years ago

@Surplus:

It actually makes sense given the pattern:

wristcel -> rejected by women for having inadequate wrists

heightcel -> rejected by women for having inadequate height

braincel -> rejected by women for having inadequate brains

Oh, well done, you!

Uly
Uly
2 years ago

Back up, back up – this genius thinks we get free birth control and abortions? Since when!?

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

@Uly

The free birth control and abortions come in the welcome basket you get when you join the shadowy global feminist cabal. Did you miss it somehow? We’ve been having some issues with people not providing the correct forwarding address. Proceed to your nearest shadowy feminist headquarters and request a replacement.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

What the actual fuck?

https://twitter.com/GOPChairwoman/status/1007070617714286592

I’m opening a betting pool. When do the concentration camps for immigrant children start becoming concentration camps for anyone who dissents? Think they’ll try and wait until after the 2020 election in hopes Trump can win/steal a 2nd term? Or they going to do it sooner?

Since I don’t have much in the way of finances right now, I’m afraid the winner only gets an unlimited supply of cute animal pictures of the species of your choice. Centipedes excluded.

KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
2 years ago

Admittedly, the first thing I thought of when I saw the title was a (hypothetical) variant of Seven Drunken Nights that ends:

Well, it’s many a day I’ve traveled
A hundred miles or more
But an incel who could last for two
I never saw before

Laugher at Bigots, Mewling Mouseman

@wwth:

Some small consolation, I suppose, is that she got duly ratioed: 14 kComments, 945 Retweets, 2.5 kLikes.

If it happens, and it’s looking ever more likely by the day, I can’t think that he won’t wait until he wins a second term. My date is probably about March 2021, provided he wins again.

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@Kindasorta
*snerk*

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

By that same logic, it wouldn’t be that much of a crime if I kidnapped this guy, sedated him and amputated his limbs in case he’s voluntarily had medical procedures done before.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Also, it’s funny how extremely wide his definition of a “slut” is. I know some people think you shouldn’t use the word “slut” at all… Personally, I can say things like I was a real slut when I was young without really putting any value judgment into it. What I mean by that is just that I used to have a lot of one-night-stands, and that I’ve slept with strangers.
Obviously there’s no sharp agreed-upon definition, but I’ll go out on a limb here and say that if a woman has slept with three people in her entire life, two long-term boyfriends and the person she eventually married and is still married to today, and you call her a slut on account of her having had more than one sexual partner, you’ve just misunderstood what the word means.

Valkyrine
Valkyrine
2 years ago

Is there supposed to be any sort safeguard against guys leaving their faithful chaste wives so that they don’t just fall in a limbo, or do they get a permission to “widow” themselves?

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponized Vagina
2 years ago

@Valkyrene

Doubt it. You see, if you are faithful and chaste enough they would never leave you, would they?

So if they’ve left, it’s because you didn’t work at your one job of being every single thing they want (without instructions; if they have to tell you what to do, you’ve failed. You need to read their minds)

Ergo: they leave, you’re a slut. Enjoy your punishment.

ellesar
ellesar
2 years ago

Somehow I think that a certain group of women who have never had sex with men will not receive the ‘respect’ he is affording hetero virgin women.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
2 years ago

Apparently, moderating hate groups on Reddit is like playing whack-a-mole, if there was some risk that the mole might actually run away and leave you jobless if you whack it too much.

teabug
teabug
2 years ago

The most this cretin loses if you cut his head off is some dead weight.

PirateJenny
PirateJenny
2 years ago

So what exactly happens to the “chaste” woman after she’s raped?

Catalpa pointed out that using their “logic” she’d be sullied and no longer suitable as a partner.

There is a conclusion drawn for her rapist while she seemingly ceases to exist after the rape.

Just further evidence that women aren’t even vaguely human to these featering pus bubbles.

*To further the Handmaid’s Tale references I picture the “virtuous” raped women scrabbling out an existence in the toxic and radioactive wastelands after being reminded of their luck to still be alive and of service.

dust bunny
dust bunny
2 years ago

@ Valkyrine

Those women are and always were sluts for having hypergamously chosen Chads. Women are responsible for men’s behaviour through having the power and obligation to only choose good men. Good men, those men women are allowed to choose as their one life partner, incels, are loyal and faithful. Probably they sleep with (includes rape) some sluts on the side, but they won’t leave their wife. Not unless she is an evil feminist harpy demanding rights and respect not due to her as a woman. But if she is, she naturally deserves every abandonment, rape, murder etc. coming her way.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

Dvärghundspossen wrote:

Also, it’s funny how extremely wide his definition of a “slut” is. I know some people think you shouldn’t use the word “slut” at all…

Back when I was in college (back in the late ’80s), my group of friends decided that since “slut” was a gendered term, we needed a male equivalent. Since we lived in SF, we were familiar with Sloat street and decided that “sloat” would be a good term for that.

Pity it never caught on.

bluecat
bluecat
2 years ago

That’s about the worst case of “rape isn’t something that happens to the victims but to their owners” I’ve ever seen.

Mind you, it’s not that far from the attitudes my mother expressed when she was bringing us up.

To me: never never, never, have sex until you are married otherwise you’re a you-know-what and anything that happens to you after that is your fault. (And no it doesn’t matter that you don’t want to get married).

To my brothers: if a woman will have sex with you, she’ll obviously have sex with absolutely anyone.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Another thought just occurred to me. Under this paradigm, I bet that marital rape doesn’t exist, because there’s nothing for a “chaste” woman to need to protect from her owner husband. Since the only value that a woman’s vagina has is to validate a man’s masculinity by only belonging to him, there’s no way for that man to “steal” any value from it and be considered deserving of punishment.

Mighty convenient for the shitbags, that if they rape a woman who is not their partner, she’s a slut who deserved it, and if they rape a woman who is their partner, then it’s just their right as an owner of a woman. Almost like they don’t want to have to ever obtain consent at all.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

…right, so, clearly feminism’s work is done! “What, you’ve got the vote, you get paid, what more do ya want?!”

A world free of future Marc Lepines like this guy would be nice. Sheesh, never has the tag “men who should never be with any woman ever” applied so well! If there is a merciful god out there, please let her keep this hideous person away from any woman, particularly vulnerable ones!

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

ForeverAlone used to have a faintly tragic ring to it. Now I find it reassuring.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
2 years ago

@Dvarghundspossen

Also, it’s funny how extremely wide his definition of a “slut” is.

It is an indication that I’ve read too much of this filth that my first thought was “oops he’s created a loophole by using too narrow a definition for slut”.

He forgot to codify how chaste women dress. As a result, raping a scantily clad lady is a form of Russian Roulette; the rapist has no way of knowing if his punishment is going to be death or a fine. Therefore would-be rapists will be deterred from raping some slutty ladies because they’re Schrodinger’s virgins.

Of course, nobody tell him, or he’ll close up that loophole before you can say “misogynists gonna hate”.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Oh weatherwax, didn’t think about that! You’re clever!

@Gaebolga: When I grew up in Sweden we did have the word “bock”. It literally means billy-goat, but it could be used about men who slept around “too much”. Don’t know if it’s still in use though.

Chiswede
Chiswede
2 years ago

Holy shit, what a bunch of fucking losers these guys are.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
2 years ago

He forgot to codify how chaste women dress. As a result, raping a scantily clad lady is a form of Russian Roulette; the rapist has no way of knowing if his punishment is going to be death or a fine. Therefore would-be rapists will be deterred from raping some slutty ladies because they’re Schrodinger’s virgins.

I was just thinking, “The prosecution would have to show beyond reasonable doubt that she is indeed a chaste woman. I smell a loophole for rapists”

Well, maybe the loophole wasn’t intended. Incels seem to have some trouble with understanding others’ position, and generally with thinkng things through.

Suppose, for example, that you want some public benefits for “verified incels”. You probably think your incel status is easily verifiable because you think it’s looks-based and because it’s so obvious and important to *you*. However, in reality some government clerk couldn’t just determine your dating market viability by glancing at you.

Back in 2014, did you note all the fellow incels who opined that ER wasn’t a legit incel because he was so good looking and wealthy? And that was *after* he demonstrated his desperation by going on a murder spree.

Or suppose the slutty woman in your head was real, and I was considering marrying her. Just like the hypothetical rapist and hypothetical court, how could I know if she’s a slut or not? You only know her backstory because you created it. Like most men, I don’t really care about her history – but if I did, she’d have a strong incentive in lying about it.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

Hey errybody! Candace Owens stepped in some fresh shit!

https://www.wonkette.com/candace-owens-bad-take-on-metoo-manages-to-appall-literally-everyone

As I pointed out in the non-comment section, her tweet gave me Karen Straughan flashbacks.