By David Futrelle
Last November, Reddit banned the Incels subreddit for inciting violence against women; most of those incels who stuck around on Reddit now post in the more carefully modded, if still awful, Braincels subreddit. But on the much smaller MaleForeverAlone subreddit, some of Reddit’s most extreme incels regularly post things as horrific as anything that could be found on the original incels subreddit.
I’ve been highlighting some of these posts. Here’s one from today posted by Holyheavens, one of the subreddit’s moderators, explaining why he thinks that only “chaste women” can be truly harmed by rape.
He starts by setting forth his criteria for distinguishing “chaste women” from “promiscuous sluts.”
A chaste woman is either a virgin, a married woman who’s only partner in her life has been her husband or a remarried widow. In each of these instances, no fornication took place.
I define the promiscuous slut as a woman who’s had sexual relations with more than partner in her life safe for remarried widows as mentioned above.
I’m lenient on premarital sex only if it’s done with her one and only lifepartner.
Just to be clear: the percentage of women who meet Holyheaven’s definition of a “chaste woman” is a tiny one. These days, only about 5 percent of women who marry are virgins on their wedding day.
Moving on the topic of rape; a distinction should be made on the severity of punishment depending on whether the victim falls in one of either categories.
And this is where Holyheaven’s post starts to get really ugly.
The chaste woman can be considered to have been truly traumatized in case of rape, because she has been sullied and bereft of her dignity she was taught to uphold.
The promiscuous slut has no dignity or principles to speak of in the first place. It can barely be considered human because it immediately acts on lust like a wild beast without considering the consequences.
Literal dehumanization. Calling the alleged “promiscuous slut” an “it” is a nice touch.
Such a creature ought best to pursue a career of prostitution, considering it has no value as a mother or wife. It’s not much different from a sexual object.
And now he’s reduced her to a thing.
The most it loses when being raped is a couple of minutes. What is one dick more after having been penetrated by various others?
JFC.
A rapist who’s raped a woman in the first category must receive a heavy punishment. Chaste women should be protected from being dirtied at all costs for they are the (future) wifes of moral men. So the death penalty is fitting.
So even “chaste women” only have value as wives or “future wives” for men.
A rapist who’s raped a woman in the second category must pay a fine to the raped slut. A slut is not much different from a prostitute -except that she gives her c*nt out for free to various men which could be considered as even worse than prostitution- so why not at least pay her to keep things fair and treat her for the whore she is?
Really not grasping the concept of “consent,” huh? Or at least denying that it applies to the allegedly beneath-human-creature-objects who make up the vast majority of women in the United States.
The single commenter in this thread somehow makes it worse.
“I wouldn’t even give the 2nd rapist a fine to be honest,” writes someone called 7339er. “She should think of [the rape] as repayment for that male incel’s taxes paying for her free abortions and birth control.”
Lovely.
NOTE: At some point while I was writing this post, one of the moderators of r/MaleForeverALone deleted Holyheaven’s post — and then when I checked again, it was back up. (This is why I archive and screenshot.) Apparently the mods of the subreddit can’t decide how worried they should be about the subreddit being banned. And frankly, given Reddit’s continuing reluctance to crack down on even blatantly hateful subreddits until they begin to be a PR problem, I’m not sure either.
I’d probably choose to climb up a skyscraper with my bare hands and feet like Ms. Raccoon did, if staying where I was meant being harrassed by guys (initially there were a couple of maintenance men who harrassed her into leaving a nearby building’s roof).
Street harassment, rooftop harrassment, humane traps…all sucky options when I think about it. Hopefully Ms Raccoon is now in a safe place with ample food and water, where she will live out her days in raccoon peace.
As a Discworld fan, I’m galled by their flagrant use of “it” to describe people. Terry Pratchett has things to say about treating people as things. In particular, I’m reminded of a scene from The Truth:
@Katamount:
Contrarians just gotta contraire, I suppose. But that’s what happens when you sling it at random: more of it stays sticking to your hand than hits its mark.
@TS Tabby
Oh, yes. He also had things to say via Granny Weatherwax about how the root of all sin was treating people like things, too.
I think we know why this said Male is Forever Alone.
Who wants to be around an A-hole like that except other A-holes?