By David Futrelle
Last night, a tweet from writer Lucy Valentine reminded me of the classic A Voice for Men post I wrote about several years back in which MGTOW master chef August Løvenskiolds offered up his unique recipe for “Buck Buck Chicken,” a bland and possibly slightly dry delicacy that even a MGTOW could cook, because all it involved was sticking a frozen, unseasoned chicken breast in an 450 degree oven for an hour while you yelled at feminists online. (No, really, those were his cooking instructions, yelling at feminists included.)
Anyway, this got me wondering if there were any other brilliant MGTOW recipes out there that I could share with you all. Turns out there are!
So let me present to you a recipe from the GoingYourOwnWay.com forums for “a huge pasta salad that you’ll be munching on for days.”
I think you’ll agree that this is definitely not something you will be able to finish in one sitting.
Here’s the list of ingredients provided by Master Chef MGTOWFOREVER, a “senior member” of the forum:
1 or 2 containers grape tomatos
Half a jar of Spanish Olives
1 or 2 bottles Italian dressing(I recommend Robust or House but it can be any kind)
1lb Honey Ham
1lb Pepperoni
1lb cooked salami
1lb Turkey breast
1lb provolone cheese
1lb Pepperjack cheese
1lb Cooper Cheese
Half a jar of parmasian powder cheese.
Huh. Something seems to be missing from this pasta salad recipe. I wonder what it … oh, wait, there’s one more ingredient:
A Box of Tri-color/Rainbow noodles
Ah, there we go!
You may be thinking to yourself that this less a pasta salad than a meat and cheese tray soaked in Italian dressing with a pasta accent. Or wondering if this recipe was provided to MGTOWFOREVER by the Meat and Cheese Council, a la that famous cartoon by Roz Chast.
But, hey, at least MGTOWFOREVER is stoked about his, er, salad. Here’s his advice on how to prepare this lovely meal:
Cook the noodles and as they are cooking , cut up the meat and cheese into squares. I order them at a local deli and ask for the meats & cheeses cut into slabs for chopping.They have EXCELLENT prices.
It’s true, the prices ARE pretty good at Sweeney Todd’s Meats of Uncertain Origins.
You can also use the Kraft or Store brand bag cheeses if you prefer shredded. Dice the tomatoes and olives. Put all of the ingredients except noodles into one bowl.
Into one huge fucking bowl.
Add half the bottle of dressing and a little bit of the parmasian cheese.
Once the noodles are cooked then drain them. Make sure to run the noodles under cold water for about a minute. If you don’t then the cheeses will turn into this ugly mesh looking thing.Pour the noodles back into the pot. Pour your ingredient bowl into the pot of noodles. I use a stock pot for cooking the noodles..
Wild guess: this is the only pot this guy owns.
Shake the shit out of it so everything flows together. Add the remaining dressing and paramasian cheese. You can add croutons or anything else you’d like. Be creative.
When I’m feeling especially creative I will add three or four pounds of microwaved pizza rolls, or perhaps some jalapeno poppers (at least six pounds). I haven’t tried this with MGTOWFOREVER’s pasta salad recipe, but trust me, this PRO TIP adds flavor to whatever it is you’re cooking.
You can also add several dozen bagels or a five-pound bag of Kit Kats (to taste). Garnish with Gummy Bear vitamins and a bar of soap (not the perfumed kind). Sometimes I like to top the whole thing off with an entire roast pig with an apple in its mouth. (You might need a bigger bowl for this.)
Put in the fridge for at least an 1 hour. ENJOY!
You might also have to buy a bigger fridge.
You can also use a California blend veggies. I get a huge frozen bag of that for $2 and add about a 1/4 of it during the last 2 minutes of noodle cooking.
How exactly does one measure 1/4 of a “huge?”
You don’t need to add the whole pounds of meat and cheeses. You can use half pounds(1 slab).
Yeah, if you’re a PUSSY.
I always buy by the pound so I can use the meats and cheese for other things such as chef salad, Macaroni & cheese, to grade for spaghetti, etc.
I’m sure all of your recipes are meaty, cheesy delights.
Yes I love pastas and salads. LOL.
“Salads.”
Where I buy my ingredients cost me a total of $24 and I eat off it for around 4 days. So $6 a day.
There is no fucking way you are buying all this shit for $24 unless you are buying it from Acme Slightly Expired Foods Inc or straight out of the back of a truck. The meat and cheese alone are going to cost maybe twice that.
But there is no question that this dish will provide you with some pretty hearty eating over the course of four days. On the fifth day, you get gout.
Holy shit, speaking of food, Anthony Bourdain passed away! Dead of an apparent suicide according to Wiki… man, that came as a shock. Never watched his show, but he was one of those guys that was just always there in the background of the culture….
@cornychips: I won’t harm myself unless and until I’m about to die anyway as a consequence of Ford cuts. Then I may make sure that that death, which would be happening anyway, happens in such a manner as to make some sort of a statement. That might shorten my life by a few hours or a couple of days (and ones that would be spent in increasing suffering anyway).
@Sheila: I doubt it. I don’t have enough squirreled away to cover rent and other expenses for 4 years, so if my disability benefits disappear tomorrow, I likely won’t live to see 2019. If they merely get slashed, and not for some months, I’ll likely see 2019 but not 2020. Ford would have to hold off slashing ODSP until sometime in 2021 for me to not have died of money deficiency by the time of the next election, and he is not likely to do that, because he or his handlers will be canny enough to know not to do the really nasty stuff so close to the next election. He’ll also be under tremendous and escalating pressure from his rich buddies to slash those $6 billion from the Ontario budget the whole time.
Once my existing money ran out, I could theoretically try to squeak by on private charity or precarious work of some stripe, but all such sources can be assumed to be fickle, intermittent, and likely insufficient anyway. The most they would do is delay the inevitable a couple more months, in all likelihood. None after all are legislatively required to be adequate, or to be given at all; even a minimum-wage job, which would pay enough if it were full-time, won’t be full-time, since nobody gets full-time jobs anymore unless they both have a degree and are well-connected insiders; and any job could evaporate out from under me at any moment anyway, leaving me abruptly with no income without any warning. That’s assuming my sleep disorder didn’t quickly get me fired for cause, which it almost certainly would. (I am assuming that both “showing up late” and “showing up on time but being too groggy to do the job either correctly or very productively” would be grounds for dismissal once it happened enough times.)
@ surplus
I hate the situation you are in. Im so sorry. This fucking sucks.
the real cie wrote:
Many years ago, I saw a show on PBS that included a discussion of some Native Americans in the U.S. who were, on average, more overweight than the average American, even though they ate comparable quantities and types of foods, and had comparable exercise, as average Americans. However, the group of Native Americans had been artificially divided by the U.S.-Mexico border, and the ones who lived in Mexico were physically fit. The difference was, the people living in Mexico ate close to the traditional diet and had more physical activity. (You don’t get a lot of calories from eating cactus, which is part of the traditional diet.) I do not have a link to the PBS show (and do not remember if it was Nova or some other show), but here is an article online about this:
Mexico vs. Arizona Pima Indians
What can we conclude from this? Well, obviously, two different people might be different weights with the same intake of calories and the same physical activity (evidently, Pima people are more efficient in processing calories, so they will, on average, be fatter with the same intake of calories compared with the average American). So it would be wrong to say that the problem is that one person lacks self-control and the other is somehow a better person; they both eat the same and have the same activity. But we can also conclude that people who are overweight have taken in more calories than they used, and so in all cases, a change in diet or exercise can lead to a reduction in weight. You cannot get body mass from nothing; it is necessary to intake matter in order to create the body mass. Otherwise, the Pima of Mexico would be equally overweight as the Pima of the U.S.; the difference is in diet and exercise.
It is worth pointing out the fact that this does not mean that it is easy to take in the right amount of calories for one’s genetics and lifestyle; the Pima of Mexico might be thought of as having a harder way of living than the Pima of the U.S. But they prove that genetics, by itself, does not cause obesity.
It is also worth pointing out that the foods that are easiest to get are often the wrong ones to eat, if one wishes to be a healthy weight. So living in a particular place may make it quite difficult to maintain a healthy weight. And, as you mention, the cost of some foods and one’s level of poverty affects one’s choices. However, one could still eat less and be less fat, though that would often be extremely difficult to do, as one would need to do this continuously, not just for some short period of time (the reason why “diets” typically don’t work is that if one goes back to one’s old ways after one has lost weight, one will simply regain the weight, as that is how one got the weight in the first place).
And while I am at it, weight is not the only measure of health. A person who lives an active lifestyle who is 10 pounds overweight is likely to be healthier than a couch potato who manages to not be overweight. Physical activity is important to health, independent of one’s weight.
Getting back to the origins of this thread, no one should be eating the recipe above, possibly with the exception of someone who is extremely active, say, running a marathon every day or some other such extreme activity. Even so, there are probably healthier ways to take in the necessary calories for that activity, and certainly it would be good to be eating things with more vitamins and fiber.
I thought that recipe for Buck Buck Chicken was meant to be parody. Seriously, throw the chicken in the oven and yell at feminists online is like the perfect satire for how these assholes live their lives. And yet one of them wrote it completely earnestly. It’s astonishing.
@Katamount:
Well, in St. Paul’s:
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/06/07/jill-andrew-looks-set-to-capture-toronto-st-pauls-for-ndp.html
So that’s something, at least.
Metro Morning had Josh Colle on to talk about what this means for transit, and Josh definitely agrees on the ‘unlikely to be anything good’. Speaking as someone who doesn’t own a car, lives near the current Crosstown construction, and remembers when they were building the Eglinton West subway line (which Harris pulled the funding for after construction had already started, forcing them to spend money to re-fill the hole), the last thing we need is yet more confusion on transit. We’ve finally been dealing with the backlog of stuff that should have been done twenty years ago.
Regarding ‘Do away with First Past the Post’… I remember the Mixed Member Proportional Representation referendum back in 2007. The big problem with that was that the ‘do something’ side never really seemed to push it, and so the fear mongering of ‘they’re trying to take away your local representatives!’ won. The Wikipedia page at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_electoral_reform_referendum,_2007#Elections_Ontario_education_campaign definitely indicates that the recommended ‘education’ phase was completely botched. That’s going to be the key part, really: convincing people whose only connection to politics is watching the TV that it’s a good idea.
De-amalgamation… could work if done right. Problem is, I’m not sure I trust anybody to do it right.
Actually, no. We can’t conclude that in all cases. I haven’t even read the link yet and I guarantee you it doesn’t say that. Because all the long term studies I’ve read show that weight loss is not sustained the vast majority of the time. There are also a whole lot of cases in which people do exercise and eat a low calorie diet and are still fat.
Actually, if weight were just a matter of thermodynamics, as you are claiming it is, it would be easy to lose weight with a minor adjustment in lifestyle. If you drink two 140 calorie cans of soda a day and switch to diet soda or water instead, if 3500 calories is the equivalent of one pound, you should lose 30 lbs in one year. And the loss should be permanent as long as you maintain it. That actually sounds like a really, really easy change to me. Unfortunately, it’s a fiction. That may work for some people, it won’t work for everyone.
Also, it’s absolutely ridiculous to cite one study as absolute proof that genetics doesn’t cause obesity. Especially given that you’re ignoring epigenetics here.
If weight is all about calories in -> calories out, then there is no such thing as “wrong” foods. It’s only a matter of quantity. So, this statement is very much undermining your own argument. Not to mention the fact that this whole paragraph is packed full of harmful assumptions.
1. That morality is attached to food. There are wrong/bad/sinful foods and right/good/virtuous foods
2. That there is a fixed healthy weight range that applies to everyone and that BMI charts are accurate
3. That maintaining a particular weight is all or mostly within ones control
Poverty doesn’t affect people’s choices. It makes the choices for them. The shaming language in this entire paragraph is just…
I don’t even know what to say but
Holy fuck. What is this even? “Couch potato” is so fucking derogatory.
There are so many barriers to getting regular exercise. Like disability, mental illness, not having the money to get a gym membership etc.
I don’t know what possessed you to respond with a request to not engage in body shaming with a sanctimonious lecture, but it was not appreciated.
Anyway, here’s an article I always like to share whenever this subject comes up
https://aeon.co/essays/blaming-individuals-for-obesity-may-be-altogether-wrong
@WWTH
Thank you. I just can’t even today. Pyrrho can just fuck right the hell off.
@ WWTH
Completely O/T, but I know you like corvids.
I’m currently fostering this little fellow; and completely annoying everyone on the Discord by posting helicopter parent type updates everytime he so much as goes for a walk.
@The Real Cie
True that, but I think the point is that this recipe is expensive AND unhealthy. You could probably eat almost a week’s worth of healthier (and more varied) food for what he’s paying for 4 days worth of pasta salad.
In other news, U.S. Diplomats In China Exhibiting Signs Of Minor Brain Injury After Hearing Strange Sounds.
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@DawnPurityseeker
Please just don’t apply judgments to food choices. “Unhealthy” is not a label that applies to foods, nor is “healthy”. Eating “healthy” made me sicker because my body doesn’t react the same way to certain foods as other bodies do. Kale makes me sick, but you’ll see it as synonymous with “healthy” practically everywhere.
And if someone wants to eat in a way that’s detrimental to their health, so what? Why does that make it open to public scrutiny? Do people owe it to the public to be healthy? Why? Am I a bad person because I sometimes eat kale or broccoli, weighing the benefits and detriments and deciding for myself that this is the choice I want to make today, for my body?
It’s an entirely unfeminist position to say it’s alright to criticize food choices in the name of “health” (which is a pretty fucked up social construct designed to shame people for not being productive enough for capitalism).
When I read the articles on this website it always gives me a feeling of deja vu. I have posted on here before that I was in a relationship with a man who told me he was MGTOW. I endured increasing levels of abuse and ridicule. After I broke things off with him I looked up MGTOW and ended up here where I gained clarity and support. But sometimes I come across articles that make me say “oh my god that is so my ex.” My ex would eat food that was devoid of any real flavor, dry chicken breast, frozen veggies. Food that showed no real effort or appreciation of cooking because that was the “manly” way to eat. He would make a big production of the fact that he ate the same boring shitty food and lecture me on the evils of overspending on quality ingredients. But then he would come over to my place and devour anything I had spent time and money on cooking. He would fill his angry face with my food and complain about women. Do you think he ever cooked anything nice for me, not a chance.
I might be single but I eat well, have a beautiful glass of wine and cheers myself that I don’t have to deal with a dick turd ruining my night.
@Jenora
I raise a glass to Jill Andrew’s win! I gotta feel for our NDP Candidate Amara Possian. I read her literature and it feels like she was parachuted in to a no-win scenario in Don Valley West. She was definitely enthused by it from the look of her Twitter feed and I hope that I hear more about her in years to come.
You might have seen Kathleen Wynne barely eked out a win in Don Valley West over PC challenger Jon Kieran with a less than 200 vote margin, so I’m glad that my vote made a difference there. One less yes-man for Doug Ford nonsense.
Exactly. Our bafflingly award-winning transit system is only going to grow more antiquated and people are going to keep complaining and never want to pay a dime more in taxes.
Yeah, I remember that too. I voted to keep FPTP because the MMP system seemed so convoluted. Of course that was before Ford Nation reared its ugly head and inflicted itself on the rest of Toronto, and now Ontario.
It’s definitely getting the point where we need a system that’s tough to game by outside influencers.
OT: just saw this on my Yahoo newsfeed; I’m linking to the original HuffPost since I have no idea how long Yahoo keeps their newsfeed links active.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lockdown-poem-kindergarten-class_us_5b196f1ee4b0adfb8266da16?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
>.<
I can think of much better subject matter for kids poems to put up in a kindergartners' school room than this one.
On topic: I’d eat the vast majority of those ingredients, to be honest. Just not all in the same dish like that. Or if they’re all together, in different proportions with some extra added ingredients. Like, sprinkle them on top of a pizza, maybe. Or as part of a casserole, perhaps. Or made into a sandwich, even. Those work fairly well, I think.
And save the Italian dressing for a salad, instead of using it as a binder for the ingredients.
@Kupo
Good point. You are absolutely right; there are no “unhealthy” foods. I really should have been more careful with my words.
I will argue however, that while there are no unhealthy foods , that there are unhealthy diets. By which I mean diets that would promote sickness in the vast majority of people.
I agree it’s not fair to criticize your (or MGTOWFOREVER’s) personal food choices if they’re made only for yourselves. However, I do think that they turn fair game the moment either of you start to promote your food choices to other people . (Which is what MGTOWFOREVER did, but not you Kupo, so yeah I’ll criticize him and not you). ?
In other words, I don’t care if MGTOWFOREVER wanted to do a colon cleanse and eat nothing but wormwood and celery smoothies for 4 days straight, but the second he got onto the internet and started telling others about his amazing diet, I would point out any flaws I saw with it. ?
@ Katamount: I was just thinking that “shake the shit out of it” sounded like a thoroughly Bourdain cooking instruction–except, of course, that he’d know what the expletive deleted he was doing, and could be relied upon to produce something delicious.
(Bourdain had long been one of my TV idols–for his irreverent persona, certainly, but even more for his capacity to pay freaking attention to the locals and show that the foods and customs he explored exist in a cultural and historical context–often reflecting white American dealings in an unflattering light; I believe it was he who observed, “We love our enchiladas, but we want the line cooks deported.”)
(And now who’s going to inform me, for example, that one of the Philippines’ biggest exports is cover bands?
During my worst years as Incel my daily food was mostly cheap cheese and salami on white bread from discount stores (+ i was drinking mostly malt beer)
I changed it after (non serious) stomach problems and bad teeth. Around the same time i started to hate woman/people less.
Since that time i’ll buy my meat from the local butcher. I also started
with simple cooking (no huge pasta salad) and backing.
It helps that i have my own huge garden with apple, pearl and cherry trees, potatoes, carrots, cucumber and so forth.
Short Info about me:
I’m from Germany (Native)
My english is bad
He didn’t promote a diet; he posted a recipe. That’s it. And what people are doing on this thread is condemning him for food choices. Feel free to condemn him for his misogyny, his toxic masculinity, or even critique the recipe itself for its astonishing meat to noodle ratio. But this kind of policing and shaming of which foods one chooses to put into their bodies is harmful. And let’s be clear: speaking out about “healthy diets” is almost always about fat shaming.
As a type 2 diabetic, I have to say that yeah, the issue is usually an unhealthy diet for a person. I work at being compliant with the meal plan my doctor and dietician put together for me, but “compliant” includes “indulging every once in a while.” I occasionally have french fries or other starchy vegetables, all of which are considered “bad” for T2 diabetics if you have them too often, but can be okay in moderation. I have chocolate as often as I can get away with it, but that usually means a small piece of candy rather than ice cream. I monitor my weight, but that’s about influencing my hemoglobin A1c (still below 7, woot!) rather than pursuing an unrealistic body image. I exercise on a daily basis.
By all the yardsticks my doctor uses, I’m a healthy patient. By my own personal yardstick, I’m pretty happy, though I do miss the days when I didn’t have to read labels so closely or control portions so carefully. Ah, well. Genetics/family history caught up to me, and I try to stay focused on what I can do, since Mr. Parasol has said he will be very upset if he has to rush me to the emergency room or visit me in the ICU again.
Anthony Bourdain did torture animals to boost controversy and TV ratings, so I’m not exactly going to be sobbing in my hanky.
Ironically he advocated that people who didn’t eat meat should kill themselves (so as not to breed) on the grounds that non meat eaters were inherently depressed and incapable of enjoying life. Well there’s irony.
To those getting angry, here’s my 2cents that’ll probably not help you.
Calories in vs calories out worked for me and I can think of no scientific reason it shouldn’t work for anyone who has the wherewithal to stick to it. These are fundamental laws of the universe we are dealing with here. I understand that if you are disabled, ill, poor (I am poor), or have a genetic propensity then it will be harder, and take longer.
I’ve lost 4 stones but it took 3-4 years and it was very hard. There are no unhealthy foods just unhealthy quantities. Eat whatever the hell you like but if you eat less of it for 3 years then there is no way it wont have a measurable effect. It is not easy and it is not quick.
I will not put it back on I am determined. This means I have to keep tabs on my weight for the rest of my life and if it starts to go up then I need to take a long hard look at what I’m eating. Never ending and not easy, no wonder people fail.
Now you can get angry about that and tell me it doesn’t work for everyone, but you do not put on weight on air. You are lying to yourself. Self deception is the most common of human failings and I had convinced myself I couldn’t help myself for years.
Sure you don’t owe it to society to loose weight and sure BMI is not accurate. So don’t loose weight, fine. Get angry at me and accuse, fine. But if you ever wanted to make a go of it then calories in vs calories out is the most fundamental way to boil it down.
Now be gentle, I have gone out of my way to tell you what I think and maybe angered you. But this is how I see it and I could not keep quiet.
One of my favorite online dietary conversations ever was when I told a paleo diet evangelist that such a plan wouldn’t work for me because meat – particularly red meat – doesn’t agree with me that much and besides, I love wine and cheese too much to give them up. He told me I was an addict and my body must be sick if it doesn’t like meat that much. Not enough eye rolls in the world.
Oh, and ever since I went to sometimes vegetarian and sometimes pescatarian diet, I hardly ever get heartburn anymore. I used to get it often. Of course, some people get sick off of vegetarian diets, so I’m not pushing it on everyone else. I just think it’s so absurd that people are always pushing these specific diets and instructing people to not listen to what their own bodies are telling them.
TW: Eating disorders
As someone with a history of eating disorders, the attachment of morality to certain foods or calorie counts is the number one most triggering thing for me. Much more than talk of weight loss or gain or pictures of very thin women. Most people with EDs in my experience get really fixated on good and bad foods or calorie counts. Talk of food as good/bad or moral/immoral is just as dangerous and toxic as unrealistic beauty standards in my opinion. I appreciate so much that so many people agree with me or at least don’t try to argue when I push back against those talk. It’s one of those things that seem minor but really isn’t, so I think it’s important to think critically about how we talk about food and diets.
More food for thought who are not tired of the discussion:
The Obesity Era
As the American people got fatter, so did marmosets, vervet monkeys and mice. The problem may be bigger than any of us
by David Berreby
https://aeon.co/essays/blaming-individuals-for-obesity-may-be-altogether-wrong
@misophistry
Do you think I haven’t heard this before? People politely asked for the conversation not to go this direction and you took that as a jumping off point to specifically trigger people with eating disorders. Why? Why can you not let people be who they are and do what they want with their bodies? Why police my body like this?
This is harmful.