By David Futrelle
The MaleForeverAlone subreddit describes itself as “a support group for people who lack romantic relationships and sex, but mostly geared towards those lacking a girlfriend or seeking marriage.”
But the people who run it have a very strange notion of what exactly a “support group” is. A quick browse through the subreddit reveals that there is very little about it that is “supportive” of anyone. Oh, sure, you can find a few links in the sidebar to some genuinely supportive subreddits designed to help those dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts. As for the posts in the subreddit itself — well, take a look at some sitting at or near the top of the front page today.
It’s true that these posts all have zero upvotes, but that’s likely the result of downvotes from people coming from elsewhere on Reddit. These posts are some of the highest ranked on the subreddit right now, and both HeavensAbove and Lookismisreal are subreddit mods.
The posts from Lookismisreal — or at least the ones I’ve checked out so far — are reposts of things he originally posted on Incels.me, a haven for incels too extreme for Reddit, making me wonder if r/MaleForverAlone is less of a “support group” than an attempt to sneak the violent misogyny of Incels.me onto Reddit without the site admins noticing it.
So I’ve decided to do a short series highlighting the, er, “best” of r/MaleForeverAlone. Let’s start with a post from Lookismisreal dealing with sex and farm animals (but not the way you might think).
Here’s the full text:
Women should be treated like farm animals (self.MaleForeverAlone)
submitted 14 days ago by Lookismisreal
Femoids are a hive mind, who are incapable of any kind of rationality. They are simply untamed beasts that act solely on primal instincts and urges, which is why they cannot be considered as humans in whatever manner. Therefore, they should be treated as resources, in which, they’re only purposes should be satisfying men’s desires and serving men whenever they are asked to. However, this does not mean that cum dumpsters would be raised in very harsh environments and such, because what’s the point of a broken resource that doesn’t supply what you need whenever you require it?
To achieve this kind of egalitarian society where femoid sexual and reproductive resources are optimally utilized, all bitches must first be raised with a single purpose since birth; which is, serving men. It is then that Indifference in affection towards men can be conditioned to femoids, in which they will have sexual intercourse with men, regardless of the mans appearance. It is then that Inceldom will finally be cured and Incels themselves would no longer exist.
When Ross Douhat and Robin Hanson talk about the “redistribution of sex,” it’s these guys that the sex would be “redistributed” to — and this is the sort of “redistribution of sex” that would make many of them happiest, one that involves seeing women as the literal equivalent of animals bred to fulfill the sexual needs of the world’s worst men. Which underscores once again just how utterly terrible an idea the “redistribution of sex” really is.
I look at these two quotes together and I think, why would you want to marry someone that you don’t consider to be a human being? But I think the problem is we’re using different definitions of marriage. I think “loving partnership,” they think “maid I get to fuck.”
Also lol @ the group description pretending like it’s open members of all genders with the word “people” but then immediately revealing the lie with “girlfriend” 14 words later. Unless they’re just open to straight men and lesbians? But nope, that can’t be it, because as lookismisreal points out, lesbians don’t real.
Yep. I can see why these giants of intellect call themselves Forever Alone.
@ Peevee
It seems less a description and more of an aspiration.
@Viscaria: I don’t know if we should switch out “maid” for “mommy” or not.
I mean, they seem to want their wives to do essentially what their mothers did, which is not only feed them and clean up after them, but also to emotionally comfort them. They seem to think that a woman they date will be their emotional dumpster and will take all their anger and abuse because that will make them feel better, like how so many people seem to think that an Intel getting laid will cure them of their gross hatred of women.
Maids typically aren’t expected to care for their clients like that, and they at least get paid for their work, so there’s some benefit for the maid. Mommies get no such thing. Incels expect a mommy with the added “perk” of sex on (their) demand.
I suppose a less gross term would be “slave” here, but this whole thing is just gross to begin with.
I’m pretty sure these people consider The Handmaid’s Tale to be a how-to guide.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
This is why we can’t have nice things
Ok. You want us to serve man? We’ll serve man, all right.
http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/tumblr_lm77uuW5G71qb98uxo1_500-2_dragged_6225.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HdEe5O7zaDQ/UFdg1p7KPRI/AAAAAAAADhs/HzdrMu3rjF4/s1600/to_serve_man_panic_small.jpg
Sounds fun!
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/564/674/b29.gif
Incels: women are subsentient beasts with no drive other than their base, grotesque desires
Also incels: fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, dudes gotta fuck, amirite?
Oh cool. Since this is exactly what rape apologists expect us to accept about male sexuality in order to keep the blame on victims, does it follow that men’s humanity should therefore be revoked?
Of course not. It’s incredible how consistently the same “logic” concludes with accomodation for men at everyone else’s expense, and blatant dehumanization for women.
Oops my comments been double posted.
Well, roll me in some feathers after a good tarrin’
But I still won’t be a chicken
And the proposals made by these not gettin’ laid
Are far from finger-lickin’
Claimin’ that women’s rights is just a phase
And that the clock is tickin’
But that’s been said for a while, dragged on for a country mile
And somehow, feminism’s still kickin’
And just a real quick question, but how’s the definition of ‘livestock’
Overlappin’ with ‘a place to stick your cock’?
“Women are literally subhuman animals who should be made into communal sex slaves! … Whyyyy can’t I get a girlfriend? It must be because I’m not hot enough for those shallow bitches!”
The amount of toxicity these guys exude is probably enough for literal farm animals to want nothing to do with them, let alone other human beings. I boggle at the utter lack of self awareness of these dipshits.
I’m imagining him typing this out while sneering and feeling terribly edgy and badass. Bless his pathetic lil shitlord socks ?
Given this:
I am curious about this aspect of the plan. Who is going to do this raising from birth thing, exactly? I mean …
(at that point, the thought of these guys anywhere near babies caused my brain to set itself on fire)
Oh, yes, it’s impossible to see why they’re forever alone. Impossible.
*Gag*
I would think the guy is trolling if there weren’t so many other examples on this site. I stick to the theory that these guys feel lonely, so they form a messed up community offering easy answers. Toxic masculinity turns their various feelings into anger, and with only a vague ideology you prove yourself by taking a more and more extreme version, until you get to this. I agree with David’s theory that the subreddit description only sounds reasonable because it is a lie.
Ugh. These guys. 😛
Is there a non-harsh way of Clockwork Oranging women into sleeping with incels?
This is nearly the same level of creepy as “it puts the lotion on its skin, or it gets the hose.” I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a murder basement.
These are the guys for whom the Republic of Gilead is a utopian wet dream but they don’t realize that they are so far down the social ladder, they’d still be nobodies in Gilead, too. In Gilead, Wives and Handmaids are reserved for leading citizens. The guys on this subreddit would be lucky to be a Commander’s driver or soldier for the Guardians of the Faith. Maybe the guy Ofglen drove over when she stole the car.
I remember when forever alone was a funny meme we’d make self deprecating jokes with now it’s an incel thing. I’m feeling old.
On the subject of being treated like a barnyard critter I suggest we reenact Animal Farm except for the corrupt leadership.
Ye-ep, it’s a mystery for the ages.
@Mexican Hot Chocolate,
The book at least had a cameo by the Economy Wives, women who was Wife, Handmaid, and Martha all in one person, and who was part of the lower classes. Unfortunately Atwood never did go into detail on who exactly their husbands were. Though I’d presume not guys like the incel brigade.
@some shitlord:
If you want to live in that society, you already can. All you have to do is have a useful enough skill, apply for a work visa, and then move to Saudi Arabia.
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What do you mean, “no freaking way”? You just said … hey … word … in … edgewise … now now, that is blatantly Islamophobic … what is your problem??? … OK, forget it, obviously you can’t be helped. 😛
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Yeah, I suppose he thinks he’s funny.
Okay, here’s a quick rundown on current semicolon usage: you only use them 1) to separate independent clauses (things that can be sentences on their own) or 2) to separate list items that themselves contain commas.
Example 1: Colourless green ideas sleep furiously; I suppose they read your subreddit before bedtime.
Example 2: Here are three reasons why your proposal is self-contradictory: first, if women are “untamed beasts” they wouldn’t be great farm animals; second, most resources are not “asked” to do things; and third, if “femoids” really were a “hive mind” you wouldn’t have to condition them all, only the queen bees.
There, I served you. You happy?
Egalitarian makes sense when you remember the whole women not counting as people thing. He means egalitarian for just men. There would be equal opportunity for Chads and incels to access womenstock.