By David Futrelle
Misogynists who have trouble getting dates have long warned of the insidious effects of makeup, which they claim enables ugly women to pass themselves off as hotties and sleep with hotter dudes, which is somehow a crime against humanity because, I’m not sure, I guess because this is unfair to ugly dudes for some reason, maybe because they’re jealous that the unhot women get to sleep with the hot guys? Or maybe it’s unfair because when the hotter dudes see these women without makeup it makes them feel bad?
Anyway, it turns out that makeup might also be destroying the human race genetically by allowing these makeup-wearing fake hotties to breed, at least according to noted MGTOW scientist zRaXcPk.
Dr. zRaXcPk took to the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit to offer this chilling warning:
Let’s go through Dr. zRaXcPk’s new hypothesis line by line.
Has makeup made women uglier through artificially inflated smv in our breeding?
SMV is of course “Sexual Market Value,” a thing that definitely exists because it’s not like different people are looking for different things when it comes to sex and romance.
Makeup can turn a 4 seemingly into an 8 with a decent pair of yoga pants helping suck in that wine gut.
Wait, yoga pants can do that? Note to self: buy yoga pants.
Extrapolate that over 4-6 generations (sans yoga pants of course) and you have 4-6 generations of women breeding that might not have bred, or bred with higher quality men making lower quality offspring due to the woman’s inferior genetics.
I think what he means here is that makeup allows women to, er, breed with “higher quality men,” which means these men will have “lower quality” kids with their secretly ugly fake hottie wives.
But I am a bit surprised to learn that women have only been trying to make themselves look pretty with makeup and flattering clothing for 4-6 generations.
This could artificially inflate ugly and stupid people into the world. I think we can all agree this is currently happening. It’s like watching Idiocracy in slow motion.
Yep. Apparently ugly people are also stupid, according to genetics or something.
Women with makeup also can have serious self-esteem and self image issues.
Ok, yes, rigid beauty standards can cause issues for some women.
Over the generations, this could also be paralleled to women consuming the vast majority of psychiatric drugs in our society, while continuing to have children, thus weakening the gene pool further by bringing more individuals into it with genetic histories of mental illness.
Er, now I’m no geneticist, but I’m pretty sure that if something in the culture makes you feel like shit this doesn’t somehow change your genes to make you more prone to mental illness.
Could this be a flaw in Dr. zRaXcPk’s theory?
I’m sure makeup isn’t the entire reason for all of this happening, but it surely didn’t help.
How modest of Dr. zRaXcPk to not think his brilliant theory answers everything.
Most commenters in the r/MGTOW thread seemed to think that Dr. zRaXcPk was onto something.
“I agree,” wrote sanicthehedgefund.
Make up caused a lot of damage to our species. While I don’t believe too much in the alpha beta hierarchy, there are definately beta females. And they pose as alpha females with good skin. Unfortunately men took the bate.
“The bate.” I’m guessing sanicthehedgefund knows all about ‘bating, huh”
Sorry, let’s keep going.
I wonder how disappointed some PUAs and redpillers would be if you showed them their “conquests” without make up. There go their 7s and 8s.
Ooh, throwing a little shade at the pickup artists. Nice.
“Definitely,” agreed another commenter whose account has since vanished.
The dumpsters are overflowing with trash. The sewers are clogged and toxic waste is bubbling up and flooding the roads. The west is a septic tank at critical mass about to burst.
“Survival of the most dishonest,” added Darth_Toenail.
“Beauty is based on symmetry, the golden ratio and the face of the average,” Emanresu_rouy_esoohc declared.
By artificially creating a new face, you will screw up the “face of the averages” part of the beauty-equation. So, I guess you have a point. To compete with other women for the best man, they have to use makeup or they lose instantly.
Not everyone was wholly convinced.
“Make up has been going on for a lot longer than this,”MadPreacher1AD pointed out.
Try Jezebel from 9th century BC Israel as she was written about in 2 Kings 9:30-37. She painted herself up with make up and acted ungodly towards Jehu a prophet. She was sentenced to death for her crimes. She is an oft-repeated warning to later women to avoid painting themselves with make up and to commit sins against men of God.
Huh. That seems a little harsh.
This has nothing to do with self-esteem and self-image problems. It is a societal problem that has let women off the hook in regards to accountability.
Good to see that MadPreacher1AD’s skepticism on the makeup timeline hasn’t caused him to forget that the real problem is those damn unaccountable females and the soyboy cucks who enable them!
This is part of the reason why they are on drugs since they were designed to be helpmates to men. Their entire happiness is defined upon this role and a man’s job is to keep his wife in check as the head of the house.
Ok, then.
TheOnlyThing-Sufjan offered a more detailed rebuttal.
Lets not jump on the social darwinisme train to fast here. True that it might happen that lesser females attract the top quailty males, however in what regard are we talking here? Is it just looks, if so I’m not that bothered,
Ok. By MGTOW standards this is almost reasonable. But wait, TheOnlyThing-Sufjan isn’t quite done yet.
if it is physical and mental fitness/capacity it is not a great thing, however following said point it is better to let the top man fuck every woman and let the lesser man fuck nobody.
Wait, what? I thought you weren’t riding “the social darwinisme train.”
In that case you have the best possible offspring, therefor makeup can help accomplish this.
But wait there’s more!
The big point is that these top man are then forced to staying with said lesser woman, in the sense of child support atleast, therefore he is no longer willing to procreate with another woman. In short the problem would then not be make up but the idea that a top male should only have so many childeren and partners.
LET THE TOP MEN BREED
In that case a counter meassure could be that the lesser males raise the childeren of the top males (aka chucks). This however is something man are not willing to do since the conclusion is that this social darwinism argument seems to fail.
So the real problem is lesser men getting in the way of the top males impregnating all the ladies without having to take responsibility for the children? So women aren’t really to blame? But this is the MGTOW subreddit! I’m a little confused.
Second what is even more important in my opnion is that woman cannot seem to pick out a suitable mate in the sense that they still judge man according to pre society standards.
Oh good, women ARE to blame after all.
Meaning that the actual sexual attraction (which is based on certain aspects which gives the best offspring in primal times) is based on predicates which are most helpfull in a pre technological society. So tall, jaw line, muscles, ect are all attractive features for woman, that is why they fall for said man.
Yes, the real problem is that women aren’t genetically wired to have the hots for, I’m going to guess here, guys who have trouble spelling “Darwinism?”
However said man could be immorral, stupid, have a fast collection of mental problems, ect. Therefore their genes might get spreaded alltough if the values where being selected which makes you valued in current society then woman should be attracted to intellegence, good moral character, mentally strong, healty.
And obviously they should be genetically attracted to guys who make a lot of spelling mistakes. Women should LOVE LOVE LOVE men who make a lot of spelling mistakes! The mor the bettre!
But this is simply not in their nature since our natural attraction and what makes valuebale citizens do not line up. Unfortunatly there is not allot we can do about that. Some might argue woman like men with money, well this is not necesserily true, since the women like the money not necesserily the man making it.
Damn those golddiggers who love money more than spelling mistakes!
If we want to do selective breeding (which i’m very much against, from an ethical point of view), then the unfortunate conclusion will be that only a select few man will procreate and most man should be left childless.
Wait, so you’re against “social darwinisme” again?
You might argue but why do the lesser woman get to breed, this is simply because the possibilty of lesser genes with greater genes can still create a good citizen. But lesser with lesser genes will make it less likley.
My head hurts.
Ofcourse this idea is total void of any social constructions which can help people flourish even if they are provided with lesser natural abilities. This is why social darwinism is always a tricky argument to make.
And that’s the end of TheOnlyThing-Sufjan’s contribution to the scientific literature.
Don’t you just love a good scientific debate?
Well yes – different people find different things attractive, and none of it necessarily works out to “virtue=turn-on.” No doubt most people’s lives would be easier and more pleasant if it did.
@axe
I also agree. It is clear he us ESL and I think generally quite low to make mockery when someone struggles with spelling and grammar. There are very rare times when this is acceptable and also because some commenters here are ESL maybe it is not so good idea to make jokes about this, because they might not want to write a comment because they feel they are something funny. we can make mockery of his ideas very easy and forget his grammar and spelling.
I think it’s just SO precious that wossname (not scrolling up to check) up there in the OP thinks that yoga pants work like Spanx.
wwth said
Oh, no! The loss of another white, male voice on the teevee?? Say it ain’t so!!
/as if
re posting issues – I’ve had to re-enter my info for at least a month now, probably more like two. But my posts show up immediately. *shrug*
Well this is… something. The makers of Ambien have responded to Roseanne’s comment about “Ambien tweeting”:
I hope they have something for treating burns!
@Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
I’ll have to let the hubster know. 😀
Another despicable video by Sandman:
Women Vs Disaster – MGTOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7ZFVb7320
I reported it, but I doubt anything will be done about it. Why does YouTube allow its site to facilitate anti-women propaganda?
@Moggie
I didn’t know burns were one of Ambien’s side effects…
It really is amazing how little conservatives know about actual progressives, rather that the caricatured “libt-rds”* in their heads. It’s almost like they don’t actually have a firm grasp on reality or something…
* Quick question for the commentariat: does removing a letter from a problematic word still violate the comments policy? I know David does that with a number of words in his posts, but I don’t know if that applies to the commenters, too.
…and if it doesn’t, my apologies for using the slur, even in reference and jest.
@Axe @valentin
Point taken.
I’m sorry for making fun of his spelling; I didn’t intend to poke fun at ESL people, it honestly didn’t cross my mind that he wasn’t an English speaker. Apologies to anyone I might have upset.
https://www.reactiongifs.us/well-i-feel-sheepish-aladdin/
Aaand it is not letting me edit above post to hide my secret (Violet cannot post gifs)
*sidles away to lock self in understairs cupboard of shame*
Violet I think I missed your comment actually! I just replied to the article and seen that axe commented something about it and I thought I will add that some commenters here also have ESL. but also good! I think maybe we shouldn’t make fun because also some people have dyslexia for example.
edit I also can’t post gifs!
Speaking (actually, writing) as someone who’s learned English from reading (largely on social media) rather than spoken communication, I feel like correct spelling is the most trivial aspect of the language. I guess it can depend on your language background and your personal cognitive quirks.
Accurate typing of the letters takes more effort than spelling – I can understand why both native and ESL speakers often give in to sloppy typing in informal context. I’m just professionally trained to write with quality rather than quantity.
I think TheOnlyThing-Sufjan writes very well, just not quite well enough to express his convoluted thought in a properly readable form. It seems the manosphere has generally low standards for clarity and readability, because the communication is predictable enough that you can get the message from buzzwords.
@valentin
But you were still right. I did laugh at his spelling and it’s a low route to take. I mean, wow, it’s not like there’s nothing else to laugh at….
I’ll figure out the .gif thing one day 🙂
[Emphasis mine]
Absolutely correct; it’s like that “Darmok and Jilad at Tenagra” episode of TNG, only the whole thing is based on misogyny, racism, and sad boners.
Manospherian 1: Post-wall roasties, amirite?
Manosphereian 2: Roosh, his ass unwiped!
Manosphereian 1: Western Civilization, after the fall!
I also learned mainly from reading and writing, if I speak English I it is more challenging.
for these MGTOW etc I think they struggle only because they must try to write their awful ideas so they seem less awful and maybe people will agree with them. I think his spelling and grammar are not so important.
edit – violet when you figure please let me know! haha ?
Let me just say here that I am in a state of perpetual admiration for all of the multi-lingual people here!
@ Gaebolga
Oh my word, that really made me giggle; and I’m now imagining it with the proper voices and gestures.
Isn’t Bill the same guy who said women should stop complaining about men and have better taste In them, married men harass women because their sex lives are sh*tty, religion is a neurological disorder and said the n word?
If so then I have no problem with him being fired. Should have done that ages ago.
@Valentin @Axe
As a person who struggles somewhat with spelling and grammar, I’d normally agree with you two that making fun of an ESL person’s spelling and grammar is a low blow. Thing is, I start to lose sympathy quickly when that ESL person starts talking about how stupid
everyone elsewomen are compared to his genius. It’s not like it’s THAT hard to run his text through a spellchecker, which would have at least taken care of some of his spelling mistakes.@Buttercup
The conservatives I’ve spoken with have somehow retconned Rosanne’s mockery of our National Anthem as a poor singer doing the best she could with a song that’s well known to be difficult to sing. Yeah, I don’t get it either.
I’m feeling drowsy with sleep medicine right now. Better watch out for that Accidental Racism. I’ve heard that he will come to visit you at night just like Santa or the tooth fairy will, except that instead of leaving toys or money, he leaves unfortunate tweets on your twitter account. That dasterdly fiend.
[This post may contain SARCASM].
WTF DID I JUST READ??? That is word salad so salady it belongs in a vegan restaurant. That makes NO SENSE.
Dudes, if you’re worried about women making themselves Too Hot with makeup, date women who prefer not to wear makeup.
@Fruitloopsie – Bill Maher – yep, would be more than happy to see his repugnant ass fired. Nasty piece of work. And even though I’m his co-religionist, so to speak, I hate his style of atheism – condescending and arrogant.
It would blow their minds to see the Wodaabe people, whose young men, heavily and creatively made up and adorned, compete annually in a contest of beauty – and of wit, charm, and quick thinking too, apparently: there are verse improvisation and joking contests too. They are judged by the young women, and the victors can expect a certain success in the following year.
But they wear makeup! And it’s no secret! Nobody’s fooled.
Thing is: it seems to be a once in a lifetime thing, a one-off. The men, so far as I can tell, are not judged throughout their lives according to an ever shifting standard of beauty that they never voluntarily enrolled in. It’s pretty crushing to lose, clearly, but there isn’t currently the entire weight of a multi-billion dollar industry pressing down on them from childhood with impossible standards… yet.
Re: Roseanne – well, that didn’t last long. The curse of Trump – he congratulated her on her new series.
It’s very, very slightly a shame: Roseanne was the first comedy series I saw since Steptoe and Son where hard-up working class people were not portrayed as fools, criminals, bigots or layabouts.
Pity she turned out in real life to be an actual bigot, and a friend of bigots.
Re: ESL – I’ve spent 35 years teaching English to people whose home language is something else. It’s a fairly tough language to learn, especially the spelling, which can baffle even people whose first language is English and who’ve grown up surrounded by the printed word, and the grammar which has not many forms but lots of shades of meaning. Oh, and the vocabulary and pronunciation.
Many, many awesome folk on here and elsewhere manage to express themselves succinctly and beautifully in it. And so what if it isn’t always as a first language speaker would? If you use English, then it belongs to you too.
As a teacher, my training is to home in on the errors: something I’m always trying to unlearn.
My issue with the Manospherians is less their spelling, more their problems with logic and evidence. “I like the conclusion: who cares about the evidence?” seems to be the motto, along with “no woman is really ever going to be good enough for me!”.
Well I’ll be damned, Rugbyyogi and I agree on something for once! =P
But seriously, fuck Bill Maher-sehole. Fuck him for his creepy-ass misogyny, fuck him for his condescending anti-theism, fuck him for giving a friendly platform to every Trumpshirt from Milo to Peterson and fuck him for just plain not being funny.
this is true. also if someone makes fun of their opponents grammar and spelling but makes mistake themself, then sometimes it is correct to say, “seems you are not so smart as you think”. also if someone like Davis Aurini for example, who likes to write exaggerated and it seems unnatural and it is clear he writes like this because he is arrogant and beliefs he is smart, then maybe also possible to say “don’t be so pretentious.”
however if someone writes hateful ideas about women or anyone else, I think first thing to argue with is those ideas. same with Aurini – he is pretentious but his ideas are 100% more hateful than his strange writing. I don’t really care if people mock my grammar or spelling , i know i am learning and i improved alreary – but maybe I am alone in this thought, some people might feel uncomfortable and think “well, I do that, I make these mistakes, so I am like him?” people can’t help it sometimes, if they have learning disability for example, or memory problems. I don’t know, maybe I am over-sensitive. to summary, I just think it is a cheap shot.
I agree, Valentin. Making fun of someone’s spelling/grammar when they use it to communicate odious ideas isn’t addressing the root of the matter, and is causing splash damage. I’d see it as similar to dismissing incels as “neckbeards who live in their parents basement”, instead of “fucking awful bigoted people”. There are plenty of non-asshole people with neckbeards or bad grammar/spelling. There aren’t any non-asshole people who go about talking about women like they are particularly stupid children, etc.