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“We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end!” (More comments I don’t let through)

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By David Futrelle

Time to drag a few more terrible comments from the moderation queue to share with you all. Once again the most popular genre of comments I get from angry lady-haters is the time-honored “threat disguised as a warning and/or prediction.”

Let’s start with this “warning” from a dude calling himself BSG, which in this context definitely does not stand for Battlestar Galactica.

The fake news media is waking up to the inevitability of patriarchy. American elites see what’s happening to Europe and have decided they’d prefer not to be conquered and replaced. Big swinging dicks are going to run the show and put women in their place. That’s not up for debate. The current feminist dystopia is unsustainable. The only question is whether those in charge will be muslim alphas or western alphas.

Wait, we live in a feminist dystopia?

I guess Star Trek taught me wrong because I was pretty sure that feminist dystopias looked more like this:

Here’s a dude who wants us to know that it is the incels, not us, whose understanding of the world is backed up by LOGIK.

Lol. No one can actually debate incels based on logic. They are THOROUGHLY logical based on my perusal. What they say is based in undeniable fact. Whatever hypothessis they have that isn’t actually based on science would be backed up by it if it was of interest to academics, which for now, even after this thing is getting to crisis level, is still not … because no one cares to study it as long as men are on the losing side.

Those ellipses are doing a lot of work there. I left out most of his huge wall-of-text because my eyes glazed over reading it.

Luckily, an incel dude showed up to helpfully illustrate just how LOGICAL he and his fellow iucels soldiers are, if by “LOGICAL” you mean “full of rage and constantly threatening violence.” Take it away, “Incel Legion.”

We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end…Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

Yeah, dude, I’m sure it’s your bone structure, not your murderous rage, that causes women to not want to sleep with you.

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lkeke35
lkeke35
3 years ago

Yeah, I’m just baffled! How do these people get through their day without other people noticing they’re seething with this much rage? Or are they? Is this just shit they say on the internetz, while acting the milquetoast in the real world?

I’d like to know if anyone in the comments has ever met someone this angry in real life, that you could see it seeping from their pores, and this seemed like the kind of thing they would say? Did you warn people? Did you run away? I find it hard to believe, that I might have had a close encounter with someone like that, and not noticed something was wrong with them. I mean I could understand if people ran away after prolonged contact, like a date, or something, but just casual everyday encountering?

Like that lawyer, Schlossberg, who was screaming racist epithets at the Spanish speakers in that restaurant. Do you think PoC could see something wasn’t right with him? Could he hide that level of hatred from his victims? (I ask this because I’ve met a lot of white people who are willing to excuse and ignore behavior that I see as being clearly suspect, especially if it’s not something aimed at them!.)

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

I was just reading the other thread and wishing I sent my ATT payment here instead. The wifi is jammed as usual. However I am inspired to get to work on this, and save money, which can be used for better things.

I was not inspired to start running amok and ripping out phone lines. Friend and business associate: You mean tin cans and string.
I stand corrected.

I also mention this as example of: STEM dudes be building all kinda shit what now? Do it work? No it do NOT.

Oh and I was thinking of signing up for ATT’s “business account” too. Guaranteed to work, is it? Yeah, I’m rethinking that.

I have no desire to even call up (like the phone works) ATT and yell at them, either. Why? The CSR or tech person you talk to, they don’t set company policy. But maybe they can help select a new plan.

If not, businesses lose customers. And you can make things clear in a polite way, which is carried up the chain of command, all businesses keep an eye on this. And when they start losing many customers, they really keep an eye on that.

Call them up and rant? Or say, which is true, I’ve always had good service with you, but this is awfully expensive compared to other offers I’ve seen, is there a new plan you could find for me? Or some kind of discounts or price breaks? Current sales for new customers? Why not me too? I am a long time customer.

I need the money! We have mammoths to hunt! 🙂
I should work this into my price reduction pitch to them 😀

Anyway, yeah, a sort of analogy here. Why be mean and rude? Let alone threaten people? For what? It usually gets you nowhere, and worse, looked at in a negative way.

And for these Super Smart Manly Braining and STEMming men: Fix the phone system then, why don’t you?

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

I’d like to know if anyone in the comments has ever met someone this angry in real life, that you could see it seeping from their pores, and this seemed like the kind of thing they would say? Did you warn people? Did you run away?

I met a guy on a dating site. I ignored the initial red flags because I hadn’t been in a relationship at this point that wasn’t abusive, so I still hadn’t undone the conditioning to gaslight myself. So I told myself he was just lonely, just awkward. Then we met in person and the creep factor was just so high. And he kept talking about guns; he thought he could impress me with that knowledge. He kept trying to get close to me, trying to get me to let him touch me. He kept dropping in sexual talk to try and get me in the mood, too. He also kept saying gross racist and misogynistic things. At the first opportunity I practically sprinted back to my car, watched to make sure I knew which car was his and that he wasn’t following me, and took a really winding way back home.

thinwhiteduchess1
thinwhiteduchess1
3 years ago

Ah yes, nothing like violent threats to prove how THOROUGHLY logical based your argument is and that it’s not at all based on emotion.

Thinwhiteduchess
Thinwhiteduchess
3 years ago

Ah yes, nothing like threats of violence to show incels are THOROUGHLY logical and not at all based in emotion.

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

And you can make things clear in a polite way, which is carried up the chain of command,

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/194/001.jpg

No, seriously, it’s not. You can rant and rave, you can explain your position in thr calmest, most reasonable tone possible, it doesn’t matter. All you’re doing is running up the CSR’s call times and setting them up for a harangue from their supervisor. Above half the time you’re not even talking to an employee of the company you’re ostensibly calling. You’re being connected to a third-party contractor who was probably repping for Verizon last month. They can’t even talk to the policymakers at their own company, let alone anyone at ATT. If you ask about this, they will lie to you, and say that they are not such contractors. Failure to do so gets them fired. I know this from extensive personal experience, and from knowing a lot of folks in that line of work.

Yutolia
Yutolia
3 years ago

@Ikeke:

Yes, I have encountered people just as angry in real life. I was taking a Japanese history class and there was a guy in there who refused to interact with me at all. At one point I got to class early and a group of us were hanging out and talking in the empty classroom. The guy was there, and in the middle of the conversation, out of nowhere the guy looks at me and glares and sort of growls at me: “I know you hate me you f*cking b*tch.” Then keeps glaring. In front of everyone. We just sort of stopped for about 30 seconds to process wtf had just happened, then kept going. But, yeah, that guy… so much rage it wasn’t even containable.

Cats in Shiny Hats
Cats in Shiny Hats
3 years ago

All I have at this (aside from horrified staring) is to thank you for not letting these things through into comments. They seem to me like they’re entirely about trying to shock and upset those of us who read this blog and actually understand and care about the issues it touches.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end…Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

You are legion?

Nah, you are assholes.

And your promesses aren’t worth the paper they’re not printed on.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end…Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

You are legion? Nah, you are assholes.

And your promesses aren’t worth the paper they’re not printed on.

iknklast
iknklast
3 years ago

How do these people get through their day without other people noticing they’re seething with this much rage

I have met people this angry, that spew this, and strangely, other people don’t notice. They just sort of shrug and go their way, assuming the angry one is just kidding, or something. So many people seem to not be prepared to accept that people are this angry. I have a brother who spews this garbage, and people think he is just joking, trying to get a rise, or something, and don’t really believe it. They just ignore him, and assume he’s charming if you get to know him better. (He’s not – he’s Trump with less class).

I have also met people who post like this on the internet, but when you meet them in real life, they seem quite ordinary. Oh, if you get to know them well, you may hear them say strange things, but not like this. I have a nephew who is quite charming, but when he gets on the internet, he spews this garbage constantly (though he is not an incel; more like an MRA). My son has tried to argue him out of it, but no use. He’s drunk the Kool-Aid (he was brought up on the Kool-Aid – it was part of his every meal).

cornychips
cornychips
3 years ago

Lol feminist dystopia.

WHERE ARE MY FUCKING BON BONS KATIE!?!?!!!!!

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

@ Dalilama,

Yes I don’t have any illusions about “big business”, I’m saying that if you threaten to cancel service you will often be offered a cheaper plan.

I too was in this line of work, while in college, and then went on to different big biz.

And many do take dissatisfied customers seriously.

You can get cheaper deals if you call and ask too. And in my experience you’re more likely to get them if you don’t act like a jerk about it.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
3 years ago

Kat-They ARE legion, a legion of arseholes! And nothing says arsehole more than threatening violence. And these guys wonder why women stay clear of them!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

and i promess

Yes, yes. You are a mess. A hot steaming mess. Thanks for the warning.

I’d like to know if anyone in the comments has ever met someone this angry in real life, that you could see it seeping from their pores, and this seemed like the kind of thing they would say?

I meet people all the time that give me a bad vibe and I’m always proven right. Like my friend who had an abrasive boyfriend. I didn’t think it was just the fact that he was a smug libertarian that annoyed me when I met him. Despite my rep as a meanie pants troll buster here, I can usually get along with people even if I don’t like that them that much. But this guy, my friend had to intervene to keep us from getting into a screaming argument. He was douchey about politics and about the game of Cranium we were playing. It was just no surprise to me when he turned abusive on her. Luckily she broke it off with him before things got too serious. He turned out to have a criminal record for stalking a different ex too.

Then there’s that guy I used to work with who seriously creeped me out. I couldn’t even explain why. It was just a feeling. He did mansplain our job to me and another woman who had both been there longer, but that was the only concrete thing he did that was objectionable. I just couldn’t shake the feeling that he was off in some way though. So I just avoided him as much as possible. Then he got fired after sending an email to one of the female managers in which he ranted about how she was doing everything wrong and he could run the whole place better. After this, someone looked into his background more and it turned out that he had a criminal record for molesting a minor female relative of his.

I always trust my instincts around men. If they feel off to me, I never brush it aside. Not ever. I’m sure these incels all give off that gross feeling to the women around them and that is why no one wants anything to do with them.

Tony
Tony
3 years ago

How do these fools survive in their everyday lives?
If they hold jobs, I can’t imagine how they work around ppl without their repugnant views coming out somehow.

Paradoxical Intention - Resident Cheeseburger Slut

The fake news media is waking up to the inevitability of patriarchy.

Yeah, because patriarchy is so inevitable that people have been fighting against it for fucking centuries.

American elites see what’s happening to Europe and have decided they’d prefer not to be conquered and replaced.

I’ll take “Thinly Veiled Racism” for 200, Alex.

Big swinging dicks are going to run the show and put women in their place. That’s not up for debate.

I’ll also take “Blatant Transphobia and Cock Fetishists” for 400 Alex.

What is it with these guys and thinking that either they have the biggest, swinginist dick, or that they’ll gladly bow down to the dude who has it?

We don’t know what size of dick most (cis) dudes have, because most people have the tact to not whip it out to “run the show and put women in their place”. Anyone who would do such a thing are quickly “put in their place” by people who value basic human decency.

The current feminist dystopia is unsustainable.

This whole bit is a huge [citation needed], but allow me some questions:

1. How is the current society we are living in a “feminist dystopia”?

2. How is the current “feminist dystopia” unsustainable? Is it economic? Social? What evidence do you have that supports this?

3. How long has this “feminist dystopia” been current? Have there been multiple “feminist dystopias”? What did people do before the “feminist dystopia” became a form of society?

Show your work OP.

The only question is whether those in charge will be muslim alphas or western alphas.

And we move from “thinly veiled racism” to “BLATANT racism”.

Funny how often “racists” and “people who hate feminism” tend to be one and the same, innit?

Lol. No one can actually debate incels based on logic. They are THOROUGHLY logical based on my perusal.

Just because YOU can’t argue with incels based on logic, doesn’t mean that no one is capable of doing so. You’re not as infallible as you like to think, broseph.

Though I do have to wonder if you tried very hard at all, considering that they might have been saying exactly what you wanted to hear.

What they say is based in undeniable fact.

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Whatever hypothessis they have that isn’t actually based on science would be backed up by it if it was of interest to academics, which for now, even after this thing is getting to crisis level, is still not … because no one cares to study it as long as men are on the losing side.

So now it’s a “hypothessis”? I thought it was “undeniable fact”?

And nice try on the “Science would agree with us if it wanted to study what we’re saying!”

Because science has studied these things. You’re wrong. And you’re willfully ignorant of the truth.

Because if you were to face the facts (the actual facts, not what incels claim to be true), it would mean you’d have to take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror and realize that the reason women don’t want to sleep with you isn’t because of your wrists, or the tilt of your eyes, but because you say shit like this:

We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end…Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

No one wants to fuck that.

And you’re mad about it. You’re mad that no one wants you despite your shitty personality, so you’re trying to be edgy by lashing out at people who you feel “owe” you something.

But here’s the ice cold tea boo boo: No one owes you shit.

No one owes you sex, no one owes you a relationship. And even if you were to get these things, I don’t think you’d change at all. Because when you give someone what they want after they lash out, they just keep escalating.

So, if we give the incels the HB10 girlfriends they want when they start killing people, when they start making their threats, what’s to stop them from doing more when they start wanting more?

What’s to stop them from more mass killings when they get tired of their government-mandated HB10 girlfriends? When their girlfriends stop being HB10s because they inevitably get old? Or they gain a little weight? Or they don’t wear makeup for a day?

Hate to break it to you (not really), but we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

lkeke35
lkeke35
3 years ago

For all those who answered : Thank you! That was helpful.

I was baffled that people like that manage to hide their wrongness so well. It’s not that they’re hiding it, I guess, but that people are excusing it, because it falls short of actual criminal activity, that they cant do anything about, maybe.

I always listen to my instincts when it comes to the people around me. As a Black woman of size, I absolutely have to. I do not have the luxury of ignoring or excusing questionable statements or behavior. It could mean the difference between life and death for me, I think. And I’m sure it’s probably saved my life a few times (or saved me serious trouble, at the very least.)

Good instincts, and the willingness to listen to them, is something I’ve always found highly admirable!

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Tony

If they hold jobs, I can’t imagine how they work around ppl without their repugnant views coming out somehow.

A considerable number of workplaces are dominated by people who share those views.

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
3 years ago

These are the guys for whom the Republic of Gilead is a wet dream but they don’t realize that they are such nothings that even if it were a real society, they’d still be at the bottom rung — even the Handmaids would be higher.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

What is it with these guys and thinking that either they have the biggest, swinginist dick, or that they’ll gladly bow down to the dude who has it?

We tried to ask Mick Dash but all we got was a bunch of gibberish.

@Tony
They keep their jobs because most of the people in power are white dudes blinded by privilege. I had a guidance counselor decide I was going to flunk out of all my classes and take 10 years to get a degree and that it wasn’t worth his time to even go over the degree requirements with me. And I’m sure I wasn’t the first nor the last to experience that level of blatant sexism, but he’s a white dude, so he still has his job.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Big swinging dicks are going to run the show and put women in their place. That’s not up for debate.

I picture a bunch of giant rubber penises hanging from outside fixtures like streetlights: when the wind blows, they swing back and forth, knocking people over. But I would leave room to debate about this. More scope for the imagination that way.

F is for 'Fro'
F is for 'Fro'
3 years ago

I’m down for a Feminist Dystopia, let’s do it!

Saint-Somnia
Saint-Somnia
3 years ago

i promess mass shooting will never end

You’re “Pro-Mess” alright.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

@F is for ‘Fro’

So long as that’s “Dystopia for non-feminists” and not the reverse.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
3 years ago

Big dicks always wish they ruled the world. Sure, they get to the top sometimes, but they’re knocked from their perch eventually (we can hope). The swinging part of the dick’s statement I don’t get, but don’t care to understand, either.

And yes, as most here observed already, the last critter is a mess.

Oh, and I wish I lived in a “feminist dystopia”. My life thus far would’ve been tons easier.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
3 years ago

RR, I think people were making fun of the troll whining about feminism in society creating a “dystopia”.

Bina
3 years ago

Big swinging dicks are going to run the show and put women in their place.

Oh dear. I see one of them, at least, DID get through:

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Fortunately, a quick knee to the nuts puts paid to THAT bullshit.

Lol. No one can actually debate incels based on logic. They are THOROUGHLY logical based on my perusal. What they say is based in undeniable fact. Whatever hypothessis they have that isn’t actually based on science would be backed up by it if it was of interest to academics, which for now, even after this thing is getting to crisis level, is still not … because no one cares to study it as long as men are on the losing side.

Maybe no one cares to study it because (a) it’s not a scientifically worthy subject, and (b) men are most certainly NOT “on the losing side” of anything. Meaning, it’s not even a subject. Ever thought of that?

We are Legion and i promess mass shooting will never end…Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

Yawwwwwn. Where have I heard that before?

And if you “promess”, I pro-cleanup. No guns for you, little boy.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
3 years ago

Bina,

He looks more wiggly than swingy, but he probably wishes he were swingy. And big.

Vucodlak
Vucodlak
3 years ago

That last one puts me in mind of a song by one of my favorite bands (“New Legion” by Ego Likeness), who Mr. Incel Legion would surely hate for the feminist bent of their music. Lyrics:

We are property, we are passed around
Evolving currency, trophies displayed so proud
Designed for your comfort, callused for your pleasure
Our specific worth depends on how you measure

To those who lit the match: your house is burning too
To those who fan the flames: this will come back to you
To those who cannot speak-
To those whose mouths are empty-
We will stand for you, for we are many

We are justice we are treason
we are karma we are reason
My name is Legion

I call Medusa, and now you’re stone
I call Lamia; your child is gone
I call the sirens, to see you drown
I call Medea- she takes you down

I call the Strega, and you are cursed
I call the Loa, for something worse
I call on Lilith, and her kin
My vengeful sisters will break you in

We are justice we are treason
we are karma we are reason
My name is Legion

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
3 years ago

Dear Commenters who are not let through:

Dude, feel free to promess so long as you stay pro at miss[ing].

Also, if your penis is ALWAYS big and swinging, it’s probably a medical emergency, and you should get thyself hither to an emergency department.

Off topic of post, but in topic with thread kindof:

Z&T I feel your pain on the internets. I have verizon with a mobile hotspot, because the local internet/communications companies REFUSE to lay cables out to my neighborhood.

Which, with permafrost, is kind of understandable even if it is frustrating.

I also live in a reception hole, and am LUCKY to have a single bar. Two is pretty much a miracle.

So much expensive. So little benefit. Yet, still REQUIRED as a student, because all my homework requires internet. 🙁

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

No one can actually debate incels based on logic

Nobody wants to

Fuck you and fuck your world!!!!

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Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
3 years ago

@PI

What is it with these guys and thinking that either they have the biggest, swinginist dick, or that they’ll gladly bow down to the dude who has it?

A lot of yahoos like these seem to be obsessed with dicks and the size thereof. Probably partly because they see the world through the lens of domination and mine’s-bigger-than-yours and you’re not made at life unless you do and/or have bigger or more. The other part is because these pathetic pieces of shit KNOW, deep down, that having a penis is the only thing that keeps them from being even bigger nonentities as human beings in society than they are already, and that they’re pretty damn pitiful even with a dick. Of any size.

S’my take anyway.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

Incels aren’t legion, they are a finite quantity and will go extinct soon enough, quicker if they keep banging on about mass murder.

You hear that incel legion. You are a death cult and your actions will lead to only one conclusion. Lol.

Samantha Kaswell
Samantha Kaswell
3 years ago

You know, I just no longer give a rat’s ass or a flying Saxonism WHAT these guys think, feel or say. I care about the following: the health and well-being of children and the planet, the awakening of the human spirit, women and our happiness and well-being. Any society that does not put the planet and the children front and center and, instead, values males and their mad grab for power, money and attention, is suicidal.

Men, as far as I am concerned, have great value – providing that their actions actually promote the healthy life and happiness of the planet and all life forms. Those who continue to insist that they can do whatever they want…that those of us who are harmed by them and their actions are to blame…that the ownership of a penis basically means that they are the kings of all they survey and that “god” loves them best and approves their wars, greed, cruelty and claims of right-of-access to all things (especially women’s bodies)…The list is too long. Suffice it to say that, rather than rant, rage and weep anymore, I choose to make the well-being of planet, children, women and life my concern.

Any male who gets in the way of fulfilling these is of no interest or concern, save insofar as we may need to defend life. All males who recognize that we are all connected and the well-being of one is intertwined with all is a true man and my welcome brother.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

As an european, I can easily spot the guys who have never lived in the so called “hot” spot in France.

Their belief that muslims are overruning Europa is insultingly easy to dismiss. It’s like they did not even care about doing something remotely credible.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

They are THOROUGHLY

*petulant foot stamp*

They are THOROUGHLY logical based on my perusal.

“They are THOROUGHLY logical, based on my gut feelings.”

@Samantha – I agree. It isn’t the “feminist dystopia” that’s unsustainable. It’s the big swinging dicks and their unfettered, short-sighted greed that are harming the planet, to the point of threatening homo sapiens’ continued existence. We’ve tried that model for several millennia, and it’s never worked out well.

These guys need to get out of the way. Climate change is upon us. Humanity doesn’t have time to stop and coddle their boners.

Catalpa
Catalpa
3 years ago

No one can actually debate incels based on logic

True, but that’s because attempting to use logic to debate with an incel is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. It doesn’t matter how much proof and reason you have on your side, the incel will knock over the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like he won.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
3 years ago

@Vucodlak thank you for the song! That band is amazing and totally my cup of tea. 🙂 I’ma add them to my shelf.

Toebean
Toebean
3 years ago

American elites see what’s happening to Europe and have decided they’d prefer not to be conquered and replaced.

Excuse me? I keep reading similar sentences and wonder what they are on about. How exactly does the American elite see Europe (Europe as a whole, or what? I mean, never mind that the EU consists of 28 countries and each one is facing its own challenges)?

Is he talking about women running amok and enslaving men? Or is he talking about Europe being pretty much run by Sharia law? I can never tell with those idiots. They go from sexist to racist and back in 0.02365 seconds.

If you listen to them Europe is a giant no-go area by now. They think you go out to get a kebab and come back wearing a hijab. I can not stress this enough: It’s nothing like that.

I live in a city that was always heavily populated with Turkish immigrants. I grew up with muslims around me ever since I can think of. And in the recent years a lot of refugees followed. Did we have some problems as well, of course we did (some of them massive). That tends to happen when you accommodate over a million people, you tend to get a couple of assholes in the mix. But f%&! them, we still did the right thing.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

Wasn’t “I, Promess” the first draft title of an Arthur C. Clarke classic?

Re: dudes that angry in real life. Oh yes indeedy. One or two.

One drank at a pub I worked in as a student. A horrible angry guy: it seemed to radiate off him. He constantly made excuses to get the female staff to come over to him (it was service at the bar, not at table) and if you happened to be collecting glasses in a crowded room he’d try and grope you. I was much shyer and more passive than I am today, but eventually a couple of us compared notes and complained. I’m not sure whether the landlord took us seriously or not: the guy got banned anyway a day later after starting a fight (I didn’t see it). He was a youngish and (IMHO) quite good looking fellow, too, but he had some kind of bee in his bonnet that would repel you from 100 yards. That was in the 80s so no internet to stoke his rage. I wonder what he’s like now – if he made it.

A couple of family members have been intermittently racist, misogynist ranters. Sometimes violent too: I’m glad guns are hard to find in England as I can think of a few situations I and other women connected with them might not have walked away from.

But one of them, I’m glad to say, has been treated for multiple addictions and does seem to be quite a bit better.

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

I don’t think we should bury the lede here… which is that “Angel One” was a terrible episode.

Actually, the whole first season of TNG was terrible (“Code of Honor” anyone?) No wonder Denise Crosby wanted out.

Hilarious 80s sci-fi missteps aside, it’s definitely a trope now that anybody who self-styles as “logical” or “rational” is anything but. Even Spock, the most logical being in science fiction, understood that it wasn’t the end all and be all:

http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2015/leonard-nimoy-logic.jpg

It’s also rich that these so-called “logical” guys are the ones that get upset (read: emotional) at either the stupidest crap imaginable (like college campus protests) or at the tiniest slights to their unbearable egos. But apparently male anger in the service of dominance, that’s totally consistent with logic and rationality, while feeeemale anger or emotion is “hysterical.”

I’ll never quite wrap my head around that glaring double-standard.

Kimstu
Kimstu
3 years ago

@PI-RCS:

1. How is the current society we are living in a “feminist dystopia”?

Why, a man who might dream of having a loving wife and family someday is forced to confront the fact that his dream is not guaranteed to come true. How much more dystopian could things possibly get?? :O :O :O

I think many men nowadays are just starting to recognize on a deep level what women have been forced to internalize for tens of millennia: Your relationship status is a consequence not just of what you want, but also what other people want. You’ve heard the old misogynist joke about the old maid?
OLD MAID: “No, I never cared to marry, but in my young days I could have married anybody I pleased!”
YOUNG GIRL, aside to her friend: “I guess she never pleased anyone.”

Well, a bunch of misogynist men are now finally becoming aware that men as well as women need to please their potential partners in order to have a relationship. And there’s no guarantee that they’ll ever find somebody who likes them well enough to marry them, and there’s no magic formula for making that happen.

Now that they’re realizing that they’re not automatically entitled to relationships merely on account of their “big” “swinging” dicks, they’re throwing massive toddler tantrums and screaming that we’ll all be sorry someday.

No, we won’t. We’ll never be sorry for asserting women’s right to be autonomous adults and to reject asshole men, even though violent tantrum-throwing asshole men will doubtless commit many more misogynist-terrorist murders before men in general finally manage to process the fact that women are autonomous adults. Even being murdered by a misogynist terrorist asshole is still better than having to marry one.

(And as @Ohlmann pointed out, these assholes are also completely deluded about the prospects for feminism vs. patriarchy in immigrant communities in Europe. European Muslim women, even ones from very repressive patriarchal societies, as a group are embracing education, employment, freedom and feminism.)

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

Oh hey, Nathan Robinson at Current Affairs has an article that touches on the “logical” branding of those broadly opposed to current emancipatory movements: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/05/fear-of-the-sjw

I think Robinson pinpoints a real phenomenon of pushback against those movements, but I think he’s too sympathetic with critics of what’s deemed “identity politics.” Cuz I’ve seen this shit too, particularly from what I guess I could call the “Bernie contingent” who see class issues overriding those of racial or gender inequality, basically saying: “Shut up about your extrajudicial murder stuff, black people, a $15 minimum wage will help you anyway!” Well, can’t quite use the extra money if they’re dead… so maybe work on both?

The issue surrounding identity politics backlash is one of proportionality. I actually think that call-out culture is quite useful and does have the capacity to spur institutional change, but its excesses and choice of targets needs to be given due thought. I have no problem sounding off on a response tweet to a politician, but a random a-hole YouTuber… I might say my piece in a response video comment, but I usually leave that individual alone, particularly if other people have said what I’ve had to say. Similarly, pointing out a wrongdoing by somebody prominent is important, but if they make it clear they’ve learned their lesson (that Matt Taylor “Shirtgate” guy is a great example), then they should be left alone. It’s in the doubling down on harmful opinions where people start to court real repercussions (but it’s also where these people find their audience). James Damore clearly wanted a piece of that right-wing aggrievement pie. Ditto Lindsay Shepard at WilfLau. This is where care must be taken.

If I have any critique of the current crop of activists, it’s that they need to better adapt to the media environment. I still think back to what happened to Chanty Binx. A half-second clip of her shouting “Patriarchy!” at an obnoxious shitheel was enough to have her memed across the planet for years. Contrapoints is arguably the best at adapting so far, but I still think there’s something to be said for the Steve Shives mode of baseball cap-wearing Joe/Jane Frontporch look with feminist attitudes. People have already associated coloured hair and the thick rimmed glasses with “SJW”, the idea being that young people with that look are so removed from the hardships of life typically associated with blue-collar professions that they’re somehow “spoiled snowflakes.” You and I know it’s not true, but I don’t see that image going away anytime soon, so it might be a better tactic to avoid that look whenever engaging the antis.

Because they’re not looking for “debate,” they’re looking for somebody to add to another “cringe” compilation. Don’t give it to ’em.

An OT comment to be sure, but I was thinking of one of Michael Brooks’ characters on the Majority Report that he came up with but never used again: the enlightened militiaman. “Alright, so we got our arsenal stocked up, but we need to get more organic produce planted to support biodiversity and reduce harm to pollinators. Fertilizers are a tool of the globalists, people! Now where are we on the solar panels and compost area?”

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
3 years ago

Shouldn’t we have the FBI watching him? I mean the last time we had males spouting garbage like this they shot and killed people. We need the FBI watching everyone in the manosphere. These males are dangerous terrorists.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
3 years ago

I don’t think these people understand the meaning of “dystopia”.

*googles*

NOUN
an imagined place or state in which everything is unpleasant or bad, typically a totalitarian or environmentally degraded one. The opposite of utopia.

Society (as a whole) is better than ever before. We have better healthcare, better education, better food, less crime and more comfort than any human has ever had since we first fell out of the trees and started hitting each other over the head with rocks. We have a standard of living that people from 50 years ago would find unbelievably luxurious.

And as for YOU, incels, you are clearly paid enough and have enough to eat, or you wouldn’t have all these free hours to bitch on the internet. And you can afford your computer and your games and your “eat sleep rape repeat” teeshirts or whatever. Get over yourselves.

@all
I’ve met any number of creepy angry entitled men. I always find the best way to deal with them is to pretend to misunderstand them and treat them as if they are your friend. They aren’t, of course; but if you wear a big enough smile you can puzzle them into thinking their intentions are different and then they don’t escalate.

See: the guy who once accosted me when I was walking home from a party at 4am. He was going the other way; I saw him staring at me, and then he actually turned round and started following me home without an invitation. He aggressively told me all about how he had a sad boner because women didn’t like men in army uniforms (he was a squaddie). He was staring at me in a way that made me legit terrified.

I did the following routine: “It’s so generous of you to take time out to make sure I get home safely. You never know who is out there, after all. There’s all kinds of people around. I was feeling so worried about walking, my taxi didn’t show, I was stranded. Thank you so much. I’m so glad you showed up.” And by the time we got to my place, he was convinced he was the biggest white knight ever and went off happily with a hugely puffed ego after: “I’m so sorry I can’t invite you in. Thanks again for taking care of me.”

I’m not proud of that. But he was terrifying. There was no way I was escalating that shit.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
3 years ago

Maybe that last meant to say that they were lesion? It would be more contextually accurate.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
3 years ago

@Violet

That’s an interesting strategy! I’ll bear it in mind, though I very fortunately haven’t come across many angry misogynists in my life so far.

pitshade
pitshade
3 years ago

Curious what BSG might actually stand for (maybe someone can clue me in?) Google did offer a list, of which this seemed a likely answer: Broad Sweeping Generalization.