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By David Futrelle
In their forums online, where no one can see what they look like, self-described “involuntary celibates” come across as some of the most repugnant human beings that have ever walked the earth. Yet somehow incels think it’s their looks, not their personalities, that drive the women away.
Indeed, one commenter in the Braincels subreddit has managed to convince himself that personality, for all intents and purposes, doesn’t exist — and that it is actually our bone structure that determines how the world treats us, and how we act.
In a post a week ago, everythingshewants7 set forth the basics of his theory, informing his fellow incels that “[p]ersonality does not exist, and I do not give a shit about it.”
Let’s see if we can follow his unique logic.
People behave the way their environment wants them to behave, and the way people treat them. The way people treat them is based on bonestructure.
Two sentences in and already I feel like I need a flow chart. So the environment takes one look at a person’s bone structure, and then issues a set of instructions as to how other people should treat them? Or does a person’s bone structure tell the environment how it wants people to treat them? Who’s driving this car anyway?
As people can’t resist social pressure, they start behaving according to other people’s expectations.
So a person’s bone structure is some sort of invisible puppeteer that determines people’s expectations, which in turn determine how these people treat the person with that bone structure acts, which determines how that person acts? Again, if someone could draw me a diagram I might understand a bit better.
So, if you look intimidating, people will treat you with respect or fear, and you’ll start to behave like the tough guy.
Well, ok, that make a certain sense. I mean, look at this intimidating-looking apex predator fearlessly attacking a much larger enemy.
Tremble before this kitten’s SUPERIOR BONE STRUCTURE!
Meanwhile, ladies use their not-so-intimidating bone structure to trick the world into thinking that they’re not evil sluts.
If you look innocent as a woman, people will think you’re girlfriend material and a nice person. You start to behave according to these expectations. Not only do you start to behave like that, you will perceive yourself as a nice, caring woman.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world she was girlfriend material.
What does this mean? It means personality is a social construction, and nothing else.
Wait, personality is socially constructed? I thought it was determined genetically by a person’s bone structure.
It basically does not really exist. Since I know this, I don’t give a shit about people’s personality anymore.
So bone structure is socially constructing something that doesn’t exist. Got it.
There’s nothing as fake and constructed as personality. You see a nice feminine woman, and you think she’s girlfriend material. Most likely, she’s the biggest slut of all, forcing [her] to lead a double life.
Wait, so bone structure only determines personality (which doesn’t exist) when a person is on their best behavior in public? It doesn’t affect their real personality (which also doesn’t exist, I presume)?
Behind closed doors, she’s being fucked by one chad after the other.
I should have known that the dastardly Chad was going to make his inevitable appearance. Damn you, Chad! Damn you all to hell!
When she steps out of the door, she plays her role. This is our so called ‘civilized society’. Nothing, nothing you see is real.
Woah.
I think I might have to lie down for a while.
H/T — r/TheBluePill
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This about has me howling because I volunteer at a museum and we have two forensic anthropology cases where we have the kids study old bones to see if they can solve the case.
Firstly, some things we assume about bones are totally wrong. Take the male pelvis vs. the female pelvis (we make sure to tell the kids we can only determine biological sex, not gender, by bones). Females have a bigger pelvis, right, because they have bigger hips to have babies? Wrong. Male pelvis bones from someone roughly the same size will actually be bigger, but the shape of the sciatic notch makes the female pelvis sit wider (so the baby can get out). Similarly, there’s a notch on the back of the skull that typically only males have…but it’s recently been discovered that females with excessive torso musculature will develop that notch, to help connect the neck muscles to the head better.
Plus, bones of populations change over time. When we talk about using the skull of a woman from the 1600s to determine her ancestry (race is a social construct, the scientific term is ancestry) we have to always remind the kids the skull charts we’re giving them are for skulls of Africans and Europeans from over 300 years ago and it is very different today due to migration and blending.
Science is constantly changing and evolving, even with things as solid as bones.
@ kereea
A friend of mine is a forensic archaeologist. She now works for the UN War Crimes Unit. One day a Danish team arrived with a Viking skeleton for a presentation. As you no doubt know, archaeologists rely a lot on “context” ie what’s found around the bones. So they harped on about how this ‘man’ was obviously some highly revered warrior. At which point the people who actually know about bones went “That’s a woman”.
The guy is twisting himself in knots trying to deny personal responsibility for his own behaviour and actions, and revolting personaity traits, whilst still being able to blame others for any of their actions and faults (real or – more likely – imagined) that he doesn’t like
A hair stylist once told me I could pull off bald because of the shape of my skull, but that’s about it.
I am a girl with a small frame (wrist vs height), and NOW I KNOW WHY I LIKE SEX SO MUCH! Because my bonestructure (sic) is making me slutty! And at the same time more wifable-looking! So, to attract guys, I should go about and flaunt my bony wrists, instead of trying to fake some boobs! 😀 My ankles are also rather dainty… not even gonna start about the feet. Oh the power of knowledge. I will totally go find a hot Chad at a club and sensually whisper my child-like shoe size into his ear.
P.s. I’d like to know how this guy would explain kind giants like Dwayne Johnson and Wladimir Klitschko then?
kupo:
Were you in the chair at the time? Because that would fucking terrify me. Particularly if it was preceded by “oops”.
@Kereea
That’s brilliant – thanks for posting.
Re the OP: he’s (almost) articulating symbolic interactionism i.e. the unconscious significance we place on how we think other people perceive us. Except for the emphasis on bone structure, obv.
The “personality is a social construct” is also a very sociological point to make, although, as Luzbelitx noted, the leap from “social construct” to “does not exist” misses the whole goddamn point. Social construction is extremely powerful.
@kupo, I am envious. Your skull must be beautiful 🙂
So if your “personality” forms according to how others treat you according to your bone structure, then wouldn’t everyone have started out being treated roughly the same since pre-pubescent children really don’t look very different, bone-structure wise?
Pretty sure this guy completely forgot about childhood development when trying to assfax his theory to himself.
I’ve been told I appear sweet and innocent AND I have a petite frame but have never been anyone’s girlfriend. Men aren’t exactly falling over themselves for me as per according to this incel theory. Myth: busted?
[Emphasis mine.]
Because only het men and lesbians are people, apparently…
@Gaebolga
Good spot. But you and I both know he’s only thinking of other cishet men as people.
Women who have sex in private are LIARS! Only the exhibitionists can be trusted.
@Gaebolga @sunnysombrera
Are we really surprised they don’t think of women as people?
@Talonknife
I am shocked, shocked to find that misogyny is going on in there!
I really must use that phrase, and often.
@Moggie
Ha! We were discussing cuts and I said I wasn’t sure if my head was a good shape for a short cut.
That was my question too. Plus, young children are almost all cute. It tends to be the pre-teen years in which people started getting sorted into various looks-based categories. So, you’d think little kids – especially babies and toddlers – would have interchangeable personalities. But they don’t. At all. I was willful from the start. My mom likes to talk about how I was born with my eyes wide open and immediately looked defiantly around the room. My brother was much more docile. We were both very cute. To the point where people would come up to my mom and tell her we were the cutest children they’d ever seen. Yet, neither of us have the quintessential Chad and Stacy personality types. Maybe because our beauty didn’t last and we’re average looking adults?
I have low rounded ridges running front to back across my cranium. You can feel them through my hair. I’ve sometimes told kids that I am part Klingon and let them feel the ridges. They do treat me differently after that.
I would seriously consider going bald if I thought it would look good on me. Or at least do a pixie cut. I don’t really like my hair and it’s so prone to tangles. I don’t know if my skull is suited to it or not. I just think my facial features aren’t. The small nose and lips combined with a face shape that’s more soft than angular just wouldn’t work with bald IMO.
MMmmm… incel solipsistic gobbledygook in the morning! Tastes like… burning!
And just in time for Queen Vic Day [misogyny is over cuz Kween!], let’s roll dem bones, dem dry bones!
His only regret was that he had boneitis!
My twin sons aren’t identical, but their bone structures are similar enough that people who don’t know them well have a lot of trouble telling them apart.
Their personalities couldn’t be more different. Twin A is introverted and loves math and science and superheroes. Twin B is very gregarious and loves music, reading, and My Little Pony. Their friends and their social experiences are completely different, because – shocker! – like other kids, they gravitate to kids who share their interests. And yet they look very much alike.
The notion that personality (and how other people treat you) is based on bone structure is complete bunkum.
Your environment would like you to walk more, reduce your carbon footprint, and stop anthropomorphizing it.
“If I don’t create something myself, it has no intrinsic existence.” Aren’t these people a little too old to still be stuck in the object permanence stage?
I wonder what he’d make of my bone structure…more people have randomly proposed marriage to me than have asked me out on dates.
That’s just the version of catcalling that I get. It’s weird and uncomfortable, but also funny in a way.
In a related note, any one else hear about our friends the Sad Puppies rearing their collective rug-shitting heads again, this time about Origins (gaming convention)?
Origins initially invited SP founder Larry Correia to be one of their guests of honor — until they found out how much of an asshole he is and rescinded the invite. And apparently he’s riled up his fanbase to now attack Origins’ Facebook page. “Cuck” is being thrown around like rice at a wedding… :-/
OT: seems like only yesterday that most people had never heard of incels, but now the term is widely enough known that it can turn up in a restaurant review:
I’m kinda tired of this movie being played out over and over. “Clueless organization/event doesn’t vet attendees. Gets emails reminding them attendee is terrible. Organization/event pulls out. Attendee whines for Patreon dollars.”
We saw those Honeybadger dipshits pull the same thing with the Calgary Expo. Just vet your damned attendees already! Don’t give them the opportunity to play victim!
@K.
Like I said in a previous thread… Larry Correia: compelling writer, shitty person.