Check out my piece in the HuffPost: “The Time for Incel Explainers Was Years Ago”

Another excellent piece David! 🙂

Wow, HuffPo?

And “Guest Writer”? Ooo that sounds super fancy to me! 🙂
YAY!

And yes it’s too bad that all this has to be a “thing”.

But attention must be brought to it all, and David you are doing an excellent job!

You most definitely are doing a huge public service here! And with all your writing.

As others have said too, – don’t work too hard. Down time and relax and all that.

Thanks, David, for that insightful look at the world of incels.

Alan, add me to the list of people who will steal your remark about the Nuremberg trials.

Apropos of all things incel (shudder), the New York Times has an article on “the redistribution of sex” by well-known asshat Ross Douthat (double shudder). I can’t read the article because I’ve hit my limit for the month with the NYT, but I did read this piece about it:

The Redistribution Of Human Flesh, By Ross Douthbag
By
Robyn Pennacchia

https://wonkette.com/633401/the-redistribution-of-human-flesh-by-ross-douthbag#het1x03UCL7DYkHC.99

I especially appreciated this thread in the Wonkette comments (the emphasis is mine):

unrulysunshine • 2 hours ago

I just want to bé seen as à full human by enough of society for there not to be thinkpieces in one of the country’s biggest newspapers about how maybe those guys who want to kill and/or enslave me have a point about my human rights and personal autonomy being less important than some dude getting his dick wet. Apparently that’s too much to ask.

arrrghle unrulysunshine • 2 hours ago

This, exactly this. There is no other response to this article.

Rasilom unrulysunshine • 2 hours ago

It is not only not too much to ask, you should never even have to ask. I say stupid misogynist incel bastards like these should be removed from general society and transported to a remote island where they can live out their Lord of the Flies fantasy and slowly die off because they have no one to reproduce with.

28 Percent • 2 hours ago

You didn’t even get to the worst part of Douthat’s column, because he wasn’t actually advocating for prostitution or sexbots at all (c’mon, this is Douthat, we all know what the punchline is going to be, right?) Douthat – probably unwittingly – finished the op-ed by making an argument in favor of the incels’ fantasy: he said that women have a choice between living in what he describes as a “Hefneresque” dystopia where women will be killed by left-out men and whatcanudo? Or else we can avoid being murdered by becoming “chaste” and accepting the protection of “conservative” patriarchal marriage. That man is _vile_.

Ok, so there’s a site called ‘Inceltears’. It posts some of the most egregious examples of incel behaviour from their own fora and sites. But apparently a few days ago they received an email saying that if they didn’t take down the site the people known to have brought incel activity to the attention of the authorities would be ‘doxxed’.

The mods of Inceltears didn’t think anything of this, but it seems the incels have started to release details of the relevant individuals.

It’s just another example of incel vindictivness; I do however like this comment from one of the posters:

I’m confused. “We know you reported potential criminal activity to the LEOs. Stop doing it or we will tell all your friends about your civic-mindedness. We are timing this information to come shortly after a self-identified incel murdered several people in Canada, so that everyone around you will know these reports were not specious or unfounded.”

In what universe does that qualify as blackmail? At all?

@ lumipuna

Yes, that’s the worry. No-one seems too concerned about the revelations to family, friends, employers etc.

“Stop telling people about our illegal activities or we’ll tell everyone you’re a decent human being.”

But there is genuine and understandable worry about the threat of violence. Recent history demonstrates that incels are not just a bunch of annoying, but otherwise ineffectual, keyboard wankers.

ETA: People have been making the very good point that it illustrates the incel mentality that they think people would be embarrassed by their views and activities being made public. But it’s classic projection. When you’re a loathsome troglodyte, festering in your own vileness, you probably can’t imagine decent people haven’t got anything to be ashamed about.

@Kat:

…he said that women have a choice between living in what he describes as a “Hefneresque” dystopia where women will be killed by left-out men and whatcanudo? Or else we can avoid being murdered by becoming “chaste” and accepting the protection of “conservative” patriarchal marriage.

Orrrrrr we could do away with all of that (because both “options” are just the obverse and reverse faces of patriarchy, which can go die in a fire and then go on burning forever in Hades), and do something that neither Ross Douche-that nor the incels have even thought of: Acknowledge that women (and nonbinary people, who also exist), like men, are autonomous human beings with rights, among which is the right to choose their partners or (gasp!) remain unpartnered, as they please.

And once that’s done, badabing! No more need for women to be “protected” by conservative patriarchal marriage, because there won’t be any more “incel”-predators to “protect” us from. The warped beliefs that made them not-so-involuntary celibates will cease to exist, and no one will feel bad if they’re currently doing without sex, because their value is in their humanity, not their sexuality.

Humanity. What a radical concept!

And @Alan:

“We know you reported potential criminal activity to the LEOs. Stop doing it or we will tell all your friends about your civic-mindedness. We are timing this information to come shortly after a self-identified incel murdered several people in Canada, so that everyone around you will know these reports were not specious or unfounded.”

So, basically, incels are now threatening to go nuclear on anyone who alerts police to terroristic and murderous plots afoot in their community?

Golly, such Nice Guys™. Can’t imagine why anyone’s not boffing them.

Thanks for writing these much needed articles, David.

eyeroll

Hey, maybe they’re secretly alien ‘greys’ from the 12th dimension too!

No. This is not a problem that straight men get to push off onto everyone else. This is your shit, YOU deal with it.

????

Oh boy.

Hi, @Bezoar! Holy noodle, you have some thoughts there. I’m gonna peel them apart a bit. Please don’t take this as a personal attack, it’s not.

Back in my day, men who weren’t getting laid were expected to figure out what they were doing wrong and fix it.

No they weren’t.

If you think “men throw hateful murder-fits over women” is a new thing, you haven’t been paying attention. Jack the Ripper is fucking celebrated.

As Rhuu pointed out – own this shit. It’s not “kids these days”, it’s you.

But these guys, maybe they’re secretly gay and they don’t really desire sex with women?

“Maybe they’re gay” comes out every time a misogynist rears their heads in the media.

Being gay has nothing to do with murdering women. These guys aren’t acting this way because they don’t get sex whenever they want. Some of them are in relationships. It’s not about sex. It’s about hating women.

Associating their hate with homosexuality does nothing but label you a homophobe.

If I remember correctly, Caesar Augustus commissioned the writer Ovid to pen a book of verse extolling the desirability of retiring to country life for discharged legionnaires; Augustus didn’t want all those violent types living in the city.

This strategy was reported as being very successful by Gibbon. Maybe the incels could be induced to take up homosexuality with each other by appropriately insightful pornography? Then they could get all the sex they need and want without having to put up with someone very different from themselves; win win win!

While I completely understand and support the urge to isolate these execrable characters from the rest of humanity, or the reasons above – let’s not say “lol I bet they’re gay,” hmm? It isn’t about sex, it’s about hate, and the LGBT community has enough burdens to carry from the garbage society piles on them.

Rhuu’s advice is good, you should take it.

Bezoar’s closest approach to a valid point:

Maybe the incels could be induced to take up homosexuality with each other by appropriately insightful pornography?

Or, if all else fails, the work of Billings’ best-loved science-fiction writer (name of Chuck).

@Steven Dutch
Are you really so unaware of how awful it is to have a hate group actively want you dead? Do you really not understand the difference between the risk of being the victim of a random mugging and the risk of being the victim of a hate crime? Do you really not understand the difference e between someone who would very much rather you live at the end of an encounter but it goes badly and someone who seeks you out specifically because they want people like you dead?

@Steven Dutch
1) Point to a mass murder motivated by robbery in the last, say, 30 years. (Extra points if you know why I picked that timespan)

2) Provide links to at least one website or forum where people gather to celebrate murderous robbers, fantasize about how they will kill people for money, and egg each other on to shoot dozens of people for their wallets.

Alternately, recognize that you have nothing worthwhile to add to this (or indeed any) conversation and shut the fuck up.

Huff post is big time! Way to go!

And this College Humor video perfectly explains the whole “but if you’re open minded you can’t be angry about my terrible idea” phenomenon of the right and mra/mgtow/incel specifically.

It’s my right to hold this turd