Just another horrific reminder that incels are a bunch of wannabe Elliot Rodgers

@Dr Thang

Aye. It’s why it made me sad. Unsurprised, except that for once the art work isn’t half bad, but … they really are dolts.

On a serious note, I think one of the things that depresses me the most about this is that women went through exactly the same thing in the 1800s, when “overeducation” was thought to put a strain on women which would result in everything from infertility to insanity and in popular portrayal female graduates were ugly (obviously).

Thomas More suggested women should have equal education in Utopia in 1516, and the debate had been going on for a little while then. The very fact that we’re still discussing all these tired old clichés can only mean there is something deeper here. It’s not about physical attractiveness – I can only put the continuing hatred of educated women down to fear. The system is afraid of educated women, because they can think for themselves, survive by themselves, make their own decisions and they are much less likely to submit to abuse and control. If you want docile slaves who are easy to control you don’t teach them to read (we also see this in black history). Reading gives people the power of ideas, and that’s not a freedom you can take away. The “Stacey” the incels have invented is stupid. She’s clearly portrayed as stupid. I mean, she doesn’t even know what a book is, apparently. And “Becky” is clever; so if she has that power she cannot also have the power of attractiveness, because then there would be nothing to threaten her with, would there? How can you coerce an attractive, educated woman? She can find her own job, and she can find another man. She doesn’t need you. She is utterly uncontrollable. So obviously we need Stacey to be stupid and Becky to be ugly (or, rather, we create a society where women feel like they have to choose between being a sexual person and being an intellectual one) if we are in any way to retain any emotional control of the femoids. We threaten Becky with her perceived unattractiveness and Stacey with her perceived brainlessness.

Yuk. I wish I hadn’t thought that out now.

@ Violet:

Haha sorry, I’ll stop making up lives for these two now. The pictures really grabbed my imagination!

Becky and Stacey sort of remind me of Bailey and Jennifer from WKRP, both of whom were pretty cool.

@ Shadowplay:
IIRC the picture was drawn by an artist who does transformation kink commissions, and was actually slightly disturbed by the recontextualization of their work, which they claim was not originally intended as judgmental (it’s hard not to give it some sideeye, but then my experience of kink is that much of it seems negative, if you don’t happen to be into that particular thing).

we should not give incels someone’s name. I know plenty people have names which they don’t like. for me it is Peter (Пётр/Петр/Петя) and, quite recently after just one awful AWFUL man I worked with, Morten.

However, people don’t chose their names – which why this Chad/Stacey stuff is bullshit anyway. I think it is best we just call them incels because most people knows what it means and also what attitude is with that word. People make big judgements about peoples named – about class or sexual orientations or many other things. For me I was bullied for my name – so I think it is quite childish to do this and not fair.

@moon_custafer

Thank you. Didn’t think it could be an incel original – because they aren’t capable of originality OR of liking women enough to draw them well. And whoever drew it likes women.

As for side eyeing the original artist – I dunno. The sort of a spin on the famous ascent of man/descent of man trope is common enough, and to my eye it’s got a certain innocence about it. Probably just me though. That were another aspect of what made me sad to see incels using it. Don’t like it being co-opted by arseholes, no matter where it came from.

Just found the deviantart guy who made the original drawing. Some of this stuff is actually pretty cool!

https://sortimid.deviantart.com/art/Sam-s-Bimbo-Beach-Day-Full-Sequence-437407624

@Shadowplay

You know, as I look at that dumb meme… I couldn’t help but think of that terrible “Nerd Porn Auteur” poem… thing that Ready Player One author Ernest Cline wrote (and is still proud enough of to keep on his website). I don’t think I could do the umpteen thinkpieces tearing it to shreds justice, so I won’t expound on it here, if only to say eff that guy and eff that stupid waste of the English language he calls a “poem.”

Cuz let’s face it, both “Becky” and “Stacy” (and eff those dumb tropes too while we’re at it) are still mere sexual fantasies for these dillholes. It’s not like they “respect” Becky more for not conforming to their stereotype of the “blonde bimbo”, it’s merely that their contempt for Becky takes a different form.

I also can’t help but think about the suicide of adult actress August Ames either. That story seems to have fallen off the radar, but as an admittedly regular porn consumer (pay for your porn, kids), it’s not lost on me that the default archetype changed from the busty blonde Jenna Jameson type to the more bookish “girl next door” type in the vein of August Ames or Riley Reid, with Sasha Grey arguably being the most famous example until her retirement. But that change was merely one of aesthetics; it’s not like these latter actresses got more respect as a result of not conforming to the existing type. On the contrary, I remember another actress sharing some of the body-shaming abuse that Ames received for gaining a pound or two or colouring her hair or getting collagen lip injections or wearing too much or too little make-up… I mean, with these performers needing to maintain an almost constant social media presence, it’s gotta be tough to see this constant stream of bullshit and if Ames was suffering from depression, it would have hit doubly hard.

Things haven’t changed, at least not culturally. It’s still considered acceptable to check women on their appearance, particularly those in adult entertainment. And let’s face it, that’s who these “Stacy/Becky” meme makers are thinking of; they’re the only women these dillholes actually spend more than 8 seconds thinking about at all. Because they think they maintain some kind of ownership over these women; just because they have some social media presence doesn’t make them the property of their fanbase. They’re not toys to be played with, they’re people, and performers deserve better from all of us. The definitely deserve better than Ernest Cline.

Okay, rant over. Except to say that I do have a soft spot (har har) for Canadian performers. New Glasgow is as close as I got to Antigonish in my trip through Nova Scotia, but I’m sure a young woman going to California took a bit of The ‘Nish with her, rest in peace. East coast represent, yo!

(Also, just as an aside, I couldn’t help but notice that my brother was laid off on International Workers Day. Yeah, I’m watching you, BMO… effin’ banks….)

About Violets point of education:
Yes education is a great equalizer and important.
Smart and exspecially sucesful women seem to be a problem for some men if they are more sucesful than them. Equal rights for men and women is somethink that is relativly modern.
I knew my mother would have theoreticly need her husbands permission to work, and in her time mothers were exspected to stop working if they had children.
There is some nostalgic for the good old time (the 50s were you could judge a book by its cover) perhabs there is overlap in the anti-educationcamp.

Can people see my last post? The one I made at 9:55? It’s showing up in the comment section for me but not in the sidebar, but it was kind of long, so I’ll copy paste it if it disappeared.

Yup, visible to me. I’ve had that where the post is there but the sidebar says not.

I see it.

OK, I’ve now stopped working entirely (I am, allegedly, at work) and given in to my burning desire to construct a Becky-and-Stacey sitcom.

I visualise the following scenario:

Pilot:
Stacey has recently broken up with her boyfriend Chad and has gone out for a drink to cheer herself up. She takes herself to a bar and buys a gin and tonic, intending to contemplate her life in a corner, but an awful angry entitled incel will not leave her alone. He backs her into a corner in a booth and attempts to grab her boobs, when –
“Are you bothering my girlfriend?”
It’s Becky! And it’s love at first sight!

Six months later, they are an official couple and they move in together into one of the huge cool loft apartments people always seem to have in sitcoms NOT THAT I’M BITTER OR ANYTHING

The storyline revolves around molecular biologist Stacey’s struggles getting people to take her research seriously because she has big boobs, Becky’s nightmare boss at MonkeyBone style magazine, and the ups and downs as they negotiate their work-life balance and their new life together. Threats include Chad, who is still in love with Stacey, and Becky’s flirtation with up-and-coming Japanese designer Miki.

Subplots can include the will-they-won’t-they relationship between Becky’s best friend – spiky-but-sweet non-gender-binary performance artist Hoover – and Stacey’s best friend, uptight but kind-hearted African-American biochemist Tyrone. Their next door neighbour, 60ish ex-punk painter Betty Nadir, is always on hand to dispense advice, tea and one-liners.

Haha

I just had to do that

Agreeing with WWTH that the “bimboification” thing is harmful. I mean, no kink-shaming here, consenting adults can like what they like, but the bedrock it’s built on is pretty much “pretty and smart can’t coexist.” <3 WWTH for all that, too. I'd like to say you never lost a job for that reason, but you and I both know it'd be a lie.

As for the names and their roles:

[WARNING: Incel perspective follows!]

Stacey's the girl that gets all the Chads, all the beta orbiters, all the attention, everyone wants Stacey. The Incels want Stacey but they know they’ll never get her. They hate her but they believe in social hierarchy so they stay in their lane.

Becky’s the one they actually hate, because Becky’s the one who they think they deserve. She wants a Chad, and that’s above her! Feminisms and self-esteems have told her she’s worth more than she’s worth, so she doesn’t uphold the social hierarchy.

Eugh, slimy. I hate wearing that perspective. Anyways. Becky’s gorgeous. She’s just not glamorous. And she’s educated by feminisms that tells her she has actual worth, according to them, which is how feminism is destroying the world and white women need to have more babies and etc etc etc. Which is the conduit by which MRAs of all stripes have become fucking Nazis.

That path is sort of interesting really – I think it’s an attempt by the MRAs to make their position seem more urgent. They’ve always believed women are destroying civilization, but now they know how it’s happening – white women aren’t making enough babies, immigrant chads, socialisms, and abortions for all are destroying Western Civilization. Don’t you all see we need to shut down this whole Democracy canard and force women into sexual servitude or we’ll lose science and turn into savages? Something must be done!

It’s an urgency ploy, to try to force in whatever they can get. And they’re tearing down the free world to do it.

Thanks, dudes

I hope a string of peaceful, progressive matriarchies follow in the wake of the manosphere’s wreckage.