Incel creeper: It’s fun to follow 14-year-old girls down the street and scare them to death

Also, I’ll bet £20 you’ve never seen a newborn fawn.

That’s just the kind of crap assholes like you say about women they are creeping on.

But that thought has led me to some fantastic brain bleach <3

I can’t think of any obvious solutions to the threat incels pose. However I do think a first step is to publicly identify them. Having said that, I do though very much understand the universal distaste for “doxxing” amongst Mammotheers.

I’m not sure however that a blanket ‘ban’ is necessarily always a good idea. It’s one of those things that’s neutral, and any moral implications arise solely from the purpose you are identitying them, and the side you’re coming from.

It seems strange to me that, just by using a pseudonym, the vilest of persons can post what amounts to stochastic terrorism with impunity. That’s rather like catching a bank robber and saying “He’s wearing a mask, we must respect that and not enquire as to who he is.” (Which would also ruin Scooby Doo).

The post we’re referring to is from someone, who at the very least, is encouraging the terrorising of children. Should people not be alerted as to whom he is, if only so as to avoid him?

I’m not suggesting we necessarily get the torches and pitchforks out; just that people should at least face the consequences of their actions. Whether that’s by social condemnation, or practical measures such as reporting them to the relevant authorities.

That’s just my personal take of course, so I’d welcome any other views or comments.

And for any incel lurkers I should stress that this is just my view, it’s very contrary to the views of most, if not all, of the posters here, and I don’t identify as a feminist anyway; so this isn’t a ‘feminists want to dox us’ gotcha.

The article follows one incel and he states that all the rape threats, acid attack threats, worshipping ER are all just satire and blowing off steam. This blog is mentioned as being essentially too hard on incels.

FUCK THAT. Even if only a small percentage of incels have actual violent inclinations, those large percentage that are just “blowing off steam” are providing cover to that violent minority. They are telling them that misogynistic violence is okay, even desirable. They are encouraging the behavior.

It just blows my mind. There have been two incel mass murders in 4 years that are confirmed. Someone linked something a while back with evidence that the Quebec mosque attacker might have been involved with incel as well as the more traditional alt-right. So there might be three in four years. Yet, despite the fact that violence is openly worshiped on their forums every day, there are still people who think it’s unreasonable to believe it’s a violent dangerous ideology. And yet. Valerie Solanas stabbed someone 50 years ago, so despite the fact that feminist groups do not constantly celebrate violence against men and “satirically” plan mass murders, rapes, and acid attacks, it is somehow perfectly reasonable to stereotype feminists as virulent man haters.

To hear the incel profiled in the article tell it, he has been the victim of bullying and abusive relationships by and with women (and, in the interests of fairness, I see no reason to disbelieve his experience), and that was what pushed him to identify with the incel community in the first place, because it was the only community that he felt would accept him for what he had become (i.e. ugly, socially awkward, romantically unsuccessful, ‘cucked’).

I feel like while on one hand it is a decent thing to do to trust people’s self reported experiences, on the other hand it is not something you can really follow through when dealing with a movement.

Every single hate movement that I can think of was presenting it’s members as victims, and this one is no exception. If you hear an unemployed neonazi talk of his being abused by a (insert a race they hate) boss at his job, you can’t take that on the face value.

It seems that incels had reached that point. The usual stuff – other people not noticing you (because there’s nothing noticeable), sexual rejection and such, becomes victimhood in their minds.

Whinging that Mammoth highlights incels’ misogyny is like complaining that books on the Titanic only mention the sinking.

*UGH* This makes me remember when I was at a water park with my mother. I was twelve, and my breasts were just budded out. I was in the wave pool (which is like an ocean shore simulator) when an older male walked up to me and flat out asked me if I wanted to have sex with him. I started screaming for him to lleave me alone, to get away from me. Pretty sure I sounded terrified. Yet, despite being in the midst of a crowd, no one intervened. Not a single fucking person stepped up and told this man to stop harassing this little girl. I was so scared that I fled to the safety of my mother’s side and didn’t go back in the pool, even though I really wanted to.

That was 18 years ago, and I’m still leary of going to a public pool by myself.

Just read the Daily Beast article that Kestrel linked and seconding everything everyone said here.

Seriously, quoting Warren effin’ Farrell unironically? Get real, Mandy Stadtmiller.

Again, I am floored that it hasn’t crossed any of these people’s minds that they’re not the first ones to experience this kind of existential angst regarding relationships and virginity! Both @the_left_fox and I shared similar paths in a thread last week, finding connections in the furry community and fostering identity that way. We’ve been Jack Peterson! None of this is new! And with the internet having grown by leaps and bounds since TLF and I were 16, there’s only been more resources available for vulnerable young men than we had to work with! We found constructive ways out!

So it’s not that there hasn’t been any resources for men who may have had an abusive partner (taking Stadtmiller’s word that she has seen proof of Peterson’s claims and the abusive nature of this relationship was not mutual). The thing is that what these resources don’t offer is the answer that men want to hear: it’s women’s fault. The woman that Peterson describes appears to have internalized a lot of the same misogynist behaviour that men engage all the freakin’ time. Who is it that admonishes men for being virgins? Who is it that compares penis sizes in the men’s locker room? Not women, cuz they ain’t there! That’s all on dudes. If an abusive woman seizes on it, it’s because they know that’s where men’s egos can be bruised. So maybe it’s incumbent upon men to build senses of self that go beyond the genital area.

The notion that masculinity has failed men is true, but not for the reasons that everyone in the article is grasping at. It needs to be expanded from the painfully narrow definition it currently has. And Jordan B. Peterson (of course Jack is a Jordan B fan) has no intention of expanding that definition. On the contrary, activism is the source of all problems, according to him. Just sort yourself out according to society’s rules and things magically work out. Because lobsters or something.

TL;DR — Like a computer problem, you’re not the first one to have it, Incel McIncelface.

I’ve definitely read this before, but I’m not sure if it was from here or linked either in Discord or on Reddit.

The final line is what really gets me, I think. The guy is relishing making teenagers feel paranoid and afraid, and then calls it “harmless psychological fun”. The fact that he doesn’t consider it harassment is bad enough and I daresay the vehement denial of sexual violence is just panicked ass-covering, but that conclusion really just proves everything regarding how assorted manosphere groups view “feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemales”.

EDIT: Side note and unrelated, after I started reading here, I started paying attention to how often people refer to women as “females” in casual conversations. It shows up with frightening frequency, even from women.

His whole description makes my chest hurt. I can feel the times I’ve been those poor girls he follows and it’s awful. As has been mentioned, this kind of shit is why women are cautious around all men. We know there are good ones but we can’t afford to take chances with creeps like this out there pretending they are okay just because (hopefully he is truthful) they haven’t actually touched anyone.

As to that awful article…I’m always a little confused by the guys who have been hurt in some way by a woman they were dating and then turn to something like Incel Culture. They’ve dated before, thus proving they can, which is something Incel’s claim they can’t do isn’t it?

Like just because you had one bad relationship doesn’t mean you can never have another good one. If it did I feel like most people would be forever single. It’s not like everyone but these guys hits the relationship jackpot on the first go.

“Stop wallowing in self pity, give yourself a kick in the pants and do something to improve yourself!”

That’s where the PUAs step in and say “we’re teaching men to improve themselves”.

Something that struck me from the article Kestrel linked was the claim that “girls are never wrong”; where the hell do they get this crap from? How can you not see women and girls getting criticized for all kinds of shit?

The fact that a lot of that criticism is unwarranted doesn’t in any way, shape, or form imply that women don’t fuck up too.

…fucking delusional shitstains. How much cognitive work does it take to actually believe this crap?

@Alan : I agree that doxxing them is a good way to make a number of them behave. The alt right began to falter when, after that horrible march, a lot of them were actually publicaly shamed as neo nazis.

Honestly, the best solutions would be to have a reliable police force that would be able to get the identity of people doing that kind of shit, and then going to warn them IRL. Or arrest them and prosecute them, depending on how dangerous what they say is ; the example here is a lot closer to “prosecution” to me.

That being said, most country don’t have a reliable enough police force for that. While the impunity of people on internet being to falter quite a lot, I think we can’t count on this alone. It’s similar to how a lot of rapes aren’t reported : trying to go the legal way against online hate will backfire for a lot of people.

So, in short : I don’t want people to be doxxed in general, don’t really want to make an exception for terrorists like the bozo here, but I agree it’s an actual solutions whose drawbacks aren’t quite as dire as some other problems, and that it’s a way for some targeted people to actually fight back without making their life even worse.

@WWTH : I would add that “blowing off steam” actually make anger worse. It don’t calm them or any thing like that, it just make them angrier and more dangerous. That’s in addition of every problem you listed.

Idli,

Maybe, but if dad or brother is the first person that girl calls instead of 911, it’s still likely to happen, partriarchal or not.