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Incel creeper: It’s fun to follow 14-year-old girls down the street and scare them to death

Strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre contemplating a crime

By David Futrelle

It’s not like any of you need any more reminders that incels are some of the worst people on planet earth, but here’s one anyway, in the form of a comment on Incels.me from a dude who thinks that following 14-year-olds down the street in order to freak them the hell out is kinda fun and every incel should try it.

Here’s the full text:

I once approached a teenage girl (around 14 years old) by asking her for directions at first. Then I proceeded to ask for her name. She became afraid and started walking away. I followed her, and then she went from walking briskly to running. Her gait was peculiar, because she ran like a newborn fawn, turning around every so often, trying to see if I am still following.

(Now, I want to make clear that I absolutely abhor rape and did not have any intention in that direction, not molestation not any of that.)

She had no reason to be frightened. I wasn’t gonna do anything. 
But the feeling when you follow a girl and she notices you, and she tries to loose you or picks up the pace. That is kind of a good feeling. You become important to her. You are no longer some random insignificant face in the crowd. 

I know it is kind of low-level behaviour. But I do enjoy doing that. I go to another city, look for a girl that is walking by herself and start following her. After a while they notice you. After dark, after sunset it may suffice to just walk in the same general direction as a girl that is walking in front of you. They become paranoid.
I recommend you lonely incels try it some time. Just to make her afraid. If you know your limits and don’t actually harass -let alone rape- that girl, it should be harmless psychological fun.

Yes, that girl had no reason to be scared of the exceedingly creepy dude following her down the street because he wasn’t really planning to rape her though the thought had definitely occurred to him.

H/T — @iAmTheWarax

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Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

Wasn’t there some MGTOW or something that posted something roughly the same as this ? Like, long ago.

Yeah, I was getting some deja vu while reading.

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

Brain bleach:
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(From the itty bitty kitty committee)
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BritterSweet
2 years ago

Holy crap, that stereotyping thing happened to me at the Women’s March earlier this year. A man came up to me, pointing out that my “Resist” T-shirt that I got from a pride parade didn’t have the color black on it so I had to “prove” I wasn’t racist by saying I love him! Even said, “What do I have to do to get you to love me?! Do you want me to Take a Knee?!” And thank goodness some ladies stepped in to chase him off!

I just can’t even.

Paradoxical Intention: Resident Cheeseburger Slut

The next time a dude wants to try that whole “Oh, you must be one of those feminazis who think all men are rapists…” on me, I’m honestly just gonna agree with him. Maybe that’ll get him to fuck off before I have to bust out the bear mace.

Jesalin
Jesalin
2 years ago

Omg thanks Pagan!

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Thank you, Pagan.

Kitties were needed.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

Don’t you follow me or he or she
Don’t you follow anyone you see
If you try to tail us then you better pray
That you might see the end of the day

Don’t you follow a mere child, so mild
Don’t you fuckin’ do that, that’s more than wild
The jumpin’ rope keeps swingin’ in time
And it’ll trip you up if you’re outta line

Don’t you follow a solo teen
Don’t try to take the M.O. of I.M. Meen
All you’ll get is weird looks from your peers
Or better, locked up for a couple years

Don’t you do this shit, don’t boo-fuckin’-hoo
Don’t you try to laugh it off, we got better things to do
Take a hike in the opposite direction
I’d say that’d be close to perfection

The Real Cie
2 years ago

Holy crap.
They are the worst.

Bina
2 years ago

OMG, I needed that little munchkin kitty. Soooo much.

Erin Valenzuela
Erin Valenzuela
2 years ago

Ugh, creepy as fuck. Having a flashback to the dude who pulled up next to me when I was walking home from the park at age 11 and asked me directions. He kept drawing out the interaction by asking endless questions. At some point I realized he was breathing heavily. Yep, he was masturbating. I was massively embarrassed and ashamed. Then he followed me, shouting obscenities. So many shitty memories like this, and it pains me to think back to how much I blamed myself for each and every one.

Also, can I point out how creepy that “if you know your limits” part is? Clearly he believes that all men want to assault teenage girls, but good, upstanding ones like himself who “abhor rape” fight the impulse. So fucking disgusting.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
2 years ago

I developed d-cups when I was 12 more or less over night.

I’m 34 now and still get mistaken for 16 sometimes. So when I was 12 I looked extremely young.

I’ve had guys old enough to be my grandfather creep on me since then.

These days I’m fat, so men usually don’t talk to me. They just stare at my boobs.

And that song and dance of saying no without actually using the word no is something I really don’t miss.

I don’t think men ever plot out escape routes or alternatives to theor usual paths.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

I don’t think men ever plot out escape routes or alternatives to theor usual paths.

Some of us do. Not many though.

Kestrel
Kestrel
2 years ago

OT but did anyone else see this article in the Daily Beast? https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel

The article follows one incel and he states that all the rape threats, acid attack threats, worshipping ER are all just satire and blowing off steam. This blog is mentioned as being essentially too hard on incels.

It also blames all the violence incels have committed to mental illness. No. Being a violent self pitying asshat is not mental illness. It is entitled rage that women are not throwing themselves at these men. Stop buying their crap Daily Beast.

misophistry
misophistry
2 years ago

There’s a guy who does this in my town. Turns out it’s against the law and he has been to jail 3 times now. Next time he will get a much longer sentence as he has a bunch of parole conditions which he will probably break. Good riddance.

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

Kestrel wrote:

OT but did anyone else see this article in the Daily Beast? https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel

The article follows one incel and he states that all the rape threats, acid attack threats, worshipping ER are all just satire and blowing off steam. This blog is mentioned as being essentially too hard on incels.

It also blames all the violence incels have committed to mental illness. No. Being a violent self pitying asshat is not mental illness. It is entitled rage that women are not throwing themselves at these men. Stop buying their crap Daily Beast.

Sympathy? Yeah, sure, why not. It’s possible to feel sympathy for a rabid dog, but to also recognize that there is nothing that can be done for it but to put it down to prevent it from infecting others. Delenda est Incel, I say.

To hear the incel profiled in the article tell it, he has been the victim of bullying and abusive relationships by and with women (and, in the interests of fairness, I see no reason to disbelieve his experience), and that was what pushed him to identify with the incel community in the first place, because it was the only community that he felt would accept him for what he had become (i.e. ugly, socially awkward, romantically unsuccessful, ‘cucked’).

But that completely ignores the fact that there are alternatives towards going full ‘black-pill’, which he did. And that his later attempts to remake himself while still remaining in the incel sphere of influence are almost certainly futile. And it in no way excuses the fact that the incel ideology is a toxic stew of rage, hate and self-loathing.

And the article’s sub-heading:

A young man like Jack Peterson, a self-described ‘incel,’ seems not so much a product of toxic masculinity as a failure of masculinity itself.

Is completely missing the point that toxic masculinity is a failure of masculinity.

So, while I can sympathize with the shitty things that have happened to that incel specifically, I cannot say that I have any sympathy for his and his chosen community’s shitty decisions and shitty ideology afterwards.

Who?
Who?
2 years ago

I feal angry on behalf of the victim.
I would find it funny if that guy gets arrested.

About the other think:
VD if you want to feel better a recomend the parody from Theophilus Pratt (I think writtername could be Theo Pratt). I don’t know if the audiobook written by John Scalzi is still around.

Pie
Pie
2 years ago

@Kestrel

The article follows one incel and he states that all the rape threats, acid attack threats, worshipping ER are all just satire and blowing off steam

It is totally unreasonable to judge white western men by what they say, how they act or the company they keep. Consequences are for brown people.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

But the feeling when you follow a girl and she notices you, and she tries to loose you or picks up the pace. That is kind of a good feeling. You become important to her. You are no longer some random insignificant face in the crowd.

There it is again: notice me, the cry of the mediocre man looking for a way to matter in the world.

I know that it’s pointless to appeal to empathy when interacting with a skidmark like this, but perhaps it would be more productive to get him to think about his own future? There will come a time in his life when he looks back on his past, and asks himself: what have I done which I can be proud of? When the answer is “women and children feared me, because I weaponised creepiness”… well, even the worst of us is unlikely to find that very satisfying.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 years ago

Escape route seem in my view a sadly common life of thing view for basically all sort of non-male cisgender people. That don’t make them any more acceptable ; one of the insidious thing with thoses to me is the nagging doubt about if it’s paranoia or not since most other people tend to discount their necessity and no authority will ever give actual help for that, like if it was somehow normal. At least in my experience.

While I don’t think that all incels are redeemable (and I wouldn’t bet *any* are), what to do with them is still an open question to me. Arbitrary house arrest or prison is too dangerous a path, and their place certainly isn’t in an hospital either.

@Aribaster : what an horrible article. I particulary dislike the “failure of masculinity” part, because I think incels are a feature of the system, not a bug. What would be “not having masculinity failure” ? Having even more self-entitled jackholes ? It’s the existence of implicit masculinity test who is the entire problem !

@Pie agreed about the consequence thing.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Even the Talmud recommends not negotiating with incels:

Rab Judah said in Rab’s name: A man once conceived a passion for a certain woman, and his heart was consumed by his burning desire [his life being endangered thereby]. When the doctors were consulted, they said, ‘His only cure is that she shall submit.’ Thereupon the Sages said: ‘Let him die rather than that she should yield.’ Then [said the doctors]; ‘let her stand nude before him;’ [they answered] ‘sooner let him die’. ‘Then’, said the doctors, ‘let her converse with him from behind a fence’. ‘Let him die,’ the Sages replied ‘rather than she should converse with him from behind a fence.’

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

…for his wrists sufficeth not.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

I will say I did “plot escape routes” but that is because I am small and I was sexually assaulted few times before by other men. I think if this didn’t happen probably I would not feel so uncomfortable or vigilant. I know that what I feel and think is basically reality for most women, especially women in my profession who are seafarers. they are often alone woman on board a vessel with 20 men and sometimes many days journey to land – and it is not as if ports in any country are a safe place to be where you will find help and compassion.

I forgot what I meant now. but I always think any woman seafarers I sail with are very brave, braver than me, and it is sad that they must be just to do their job.

EJ (The Other One)
2 years ago

I gigglesnorted so hard at Moggie’s post that I got soda water in my nose, choked, and ended up with the entire cafeteria staring at me.

It was worth it.

Batgirl
Batgirl
2 years ago

Ugh *shudders*

These dudes make me really glad I have a slight inclination towards violence. If I feel threatened, I threaten right the hell back. I carry a knife and used to have pepper foam, though I’m lucky I’ve never had to use them. Even when I was a teenager, I’d stare down dudes who thought they could intimidate me. At least I haven’t had to physically fight a guy in about ten years, so that’s a…plus, I guess.

And every once in a while I’d wonder if I was overacting, but when dudes post crap like that, I stop second guessing my reactions. And I agree with a few people above me – if this guy isn’t a rapist already, he probably will be soon.

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
2 years ago

This guy is framing scaring people as harmless fun?

I think you’ll find there was harm, actually. Scaring people is a form of harm. It’s only fun if the other person is having fun.

I’ve seen some interesting people on here, but I honestly think this is one of the most terrifying posts I’ve seen.

It is not the first time he has followed someone; he even has a method for doing it. He chooses vulnerable people (teenage girls). He thought about rape while he was following her. He enjoyed her fear because it made him feel powerful.

I would be very surprised if this doesn’t escalate. He seems to be very big on how “not touching” means he’s all golden…..but I’m certain he’ll be able to doublethink his way into “indecent exposure doesn’t hurt people”.

If you read this, creeper, you are doing harm. You are doing harm by following these girls; let alone anything else you may be considering. And you can minimise, and tell yourself all the lies you like, but you are doing harm and you will do more harm. Please. Get help. Go and see a therapist, go to the doctor, talk to someone. Now.

Ugh. I need a bath.

On another note, I am not a big fan of either The Sun or Rupert Murdoch, but I did enjoy the incels article, which referred to them as “women-hating losers” and – in an incredible stretch for The Sun – didn’t appear to contain an ounce of blame for women.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6176427/incels-acid-attack-toronto-van-alek-minassian/

Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
2 years ago

Also, I’ll bet £20 you’ve never seen a newborn fawn.

That’s just the kind of crap assholes like you say about women they are creeping on.

But that thought has led me to some fantastic brain bleach <3

Cindy
Cindy
2 years ago

I will just say that people like Classic_Jarvis are why I’m packing heat.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

I can’t think of any obvious solutions to the threat incels pose. However I do think a first step is to publicly identify them. Having said that, I do though very much understand the universal distaste for “doxxing” amongst Mammotheers.

I’m not sure however that a blanket ‘ban’ is necessarily always a good idea. It’s one of those things that’s neutral, and any moral implications arise solely from the purpose you are identitying them, and the side you’re coming from.

It seems strange to me that, just by using a pseudonym, the vilest of persons can post what amounts to stochastic terrorism with impunity. That’s rather like catching a bank robber and saying “He’s wearing a mask, we must respect that and not enquire as to who he is.” (Which would also ruin Scooby Doo).

The post we’re referring to is from someone, who at the very least, is encouraging the terrorising of children. Should people not be alerted as to whom he is, if only so as to avoid him?

I’m not suggesting we necessarily get the torches and pitchforks out; just that people should at least face the consequences of their actions. Whether that’s by social condemnation, or practical measures such as reporting them to the relevant authorities.

That’s just my personal take of course, so I’d welcome any other views or comments.

And for any incel lurkers I should stress that this is just my view, it’s very contrary to the views of most, if not all, of the posters here, and I don’t identify as a feminist anyway; so this isn’t a ‘feminists want to dox us’ gotcha.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

Man, that daily beast article. Ugh.

Peterson compared the mischaracterization of incels to the xenophobic broad brush that takes a minority of radicalized Islamic suicide-bombers and uses it to condemn the vast majority of Muslims.

Pretty fucking sure that the majority of Muslims don’t make “jokes” about how suicide bombers are saints and how they should totally kill people so they can rise up against the heretics and impose sharia law.

In Nadine Strossen’s timely new book Hate, she makes the case for countering bad speech with more speech, and illustrates how in countries where hate speech speech laws have been enacted, support for racist and xenophobic politicians has risen.

… Canada has had hate speech laws on the books since at least 1985. And we’re by no means perfect, but I’m pretty sure that we haven’t had politicians who are even MORE racist in the last 30 years.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The article follows one incel and he states that all the rape threats, acid attack threats, worshipping ER are all just satire and blowing off steam. This blog is mentioned as being essentially too hard on incels.

FUCK THAT. Even if only a small percentage of incels have actual violent inclinations, those large percentage that are just “blowing off steam” are providing cover to that violent minority. They are telling them that misogynistic violence is okay, even desirable. They are encouraging the behavior.

It just blows my mind. There have been two incel mass murders in 4 years that are confirmed. Someone linked something a while back with evidence that the Quebec mosque attacker might have been involved with incel as well as the more traditional alt-right. So there might be three in four years. Yet, despite the fact that violence is openly worshiped on their forums every day, there are still people who think it’s unreasonable to believe it’s a violent dangerous ideology. And yet. Valerie Solanas stabbed someone 50 years ago, so despite the fact that feminist groups do not constantly celebrate violence against men and “satirically” plan mass murders, rapes, and acid attacks, it is somehow perfectly reasonable to stereotype feminists as virulent man haters.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

In Nadine Strossen’s timely new book Hate, she makes the case for countering bad speech with more speech, and illustrates how in countries where hate speech speech laws have been enacted, support for racist and xenophobic politicians has risen.

Does it compare the rise of support for racism and xenophobia in those countries to countries where there are no hate speech laws? Because, from what I can see, the resurgence of fascism is a global problem.

The US, is most certainly a really obvious example of lack of hate speech laws not preventing citizens from supporting racist and xenophobic politicians.

Dmytry
Dmytry
2 years ago

To hear the incel profiled in the article tell it, he has been the victim of bullying and abusive relationships by and with women (and, in the interests of fairness, I see no reason to disbelieve his experience), and that was what pushed him to identify with the incel community in the first place, because it was the only community that he felt would accept him for what he had become (i.e. ugly, socially awkward, romantically unsuccessful, ‘cucked’).

I feel like while on one hand it is a decent thing to do to trust people’s self reported experiences, on the other hand it is not something you can really follow through when dealing with a movement.

Every single hate movement that I can think of was presenting it’s members as victims, and this one is no exception. If you hear an unemployed neonazi talk of his being abused by a (insert a race they hate) boss at his job, you can’t take that on the face value.

It seems that incels had reached that point. The usual stuff – other people not noticing you (because there’s nothing noticeable), sexual rejection and such, becomes victimhood in their minds.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

Kestrel wrote:

OT but did anyone else see this article in the Daily Beast? https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel

The fucking irony of incels asking for empathy is appalling.

“Don’t treat all incels like murderers; we’re human beings! Unlike women, who are all a bunch of evil shallow sluts!”

The problem isn’t your wrists or your canthial tilt, kid, it’s the fact that you’re a willfully hate-filled asshole who actively works to make sure you don’t change that fact.

That’s not something you were born with, and it’s not a genetic trait; it’s a choice you made, and one you continue to make every single day.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Whinging that Mammoth highlights incels’ misogyny is like complaining that books on the Titanic only mention the sinking.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

I do think it’s worth pointing out a couple telling things about Creepy McCreepface here.

1) He clearly has the same kind of identity/ego issues that a lot of these alt-right types do as evidenced by:

That is kind of a good feeling. You become important to her. You are no longer some random insignificant face in the crowd.

I find this rather ironic given the way these types hang out on anonymous 4chan-style boards and Reddit. They need the protection of anonymity, yet living the anonymous cyber-life they do leaves them feeling devoid of identity. Almost like there’s some cognitive dissonance there they haven’t figured out how to resolve.

2) This obnoxious statement:

If you know your limits and don’t actually harass -let alone rape- that girl, it should be harmless psychological fun.

Let’s be clear about what “harmless” means. It means “free of legal consequences.” It’s not likely to get you in trouble with law enforcement, despite it clearly being harassment.

And most of the time, that’s all that’s needed to achieve the overall goal: fear and silence. I notice a lot of people use the lack of overt action to handwave away problems. “Christians aren’t the ones settings off bombs and running over people!” “How can it be a ‘rape culture’ if rape is considered so evil?” Well, who said that you needed to sexually assault a woman just to instill fear into her? A glare, a shadow, a text message, a door knock in the middle of the night… it all can serve to intimidate and thus enforce silence. And that’s what this is in service of: silence.

And yeah, Christians are just as capable of violence to advance a political cause. Even if one can handwave away the abortion terrorism, the sectarian violence during The Troubles are still only a couple decades in the past. I remember them and I’m only in my 30s. A YouTube search will net you dozens of archived news reports of Catholic/Protestant terrorist acts.

Sniper Kitty, She-Tornado
Sniper Kitty, She-Tornado
2 years ago

*UGH* This makes me remember when I was at a water park with my mother. I was twelve, and my breasts were just budded out. I was in the wave pool (which is like an ocean shore simulator) when an older male walked up to me and flat out asked me if I wanted to have sex with him. I started screaming for him to lleave me alone, to get away from me. Pretty sure I sounded terrified. Yet, despite being in the midst of a crowd, no one intervened. Not a single fucking person stepped up and told this man to stop harassing this little girl. I was so scared that I fled to the safety of my mother’s side and didn’t go back in the pool, even though I really wanted to.

That was 18 years ago, and I’m still leary of going to a public pool by myself.

K.
K.
2 years ago

@Weatherwax

Could it be reported to Amazon as promoting hate speech?

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

Just read the Daily Beast article that Kestrel linked and seconding everything everyone said here.

Seriously, quoting Warren effin’ Farrell unironically? Get real, Mandy Stadtmiller.

Again, I am floored that it hasn’t crossed any of these people’s minds that they’re not the first ones to experience this kind of existential angst regarding relationships and virginity! Both @the_left_fox and I shared similar paths in a thread last week, finding connections in the furry community and fostering identity that way. We’ve been Jack Peterson! None of this is new! And with the internet having grown by leaps and bounds since TLF and I were 16, there’s only been more resources available for vulnerable young men than we had to work with! We found constructive ways out!

So it’s not that there hasn’t been any resources for men who may have had an abusive partner (taking Stadtmiller’s word that she has seen proof of Peterson’s claims and the abusive nature of this relationship was not mutual). The thing is that what these resources don’t offer is the answer that men want to hear: it’s women’s fault. The woman that Peterson describes appears to have internalized a lot of the same misogynist behaviour that men engage all the freakin’ time. Who is it that admonishes men for being virgins? Who is it that compares penis sizes in the men’s locker room? Not women, cuz they ain’t there! That’s all on dudes. If an abusive woman seizes on it, it’s because they know that’s where men’s egos can be bruised. So maybe it’s incumbent upon men to build senses of self that go beyond the genital area.

The notion that masculinity has failed men is true, but not for the reasons that everyone in the article is grasping at. It needs to be expanded from the painfully narrow definition it currently has. And Jordan B. Peterson (of course Jack is a Jordan B fan) has no intention of expanding that definition. On the contrary, activism is the source of all problems, according to him. Just sort yourself out according to society’s rules and things magically work out. Because lobsters or something.

TL;DR — Like a computer problem, you’re not the first one to have it, Incel McIncelface.

nparker
nparker
2 years ago

Well, that’s the Daily Beast on my ‘never read this website’ list. It seems to have been expanding more and more.

What a disgusting article. The stuff about ‘mischaracterisation’ reminds me of Cassie Jaye and her film.

dslucia
dslucia
2 years ago

I’ve definitely read this before, but I’m not sure if it was from here or linked either in Discord or on Reddit.

The final line is what really gets me, I think. The guy is relishing making teenagers feel paranoid and afraid, and then calls it “harmless psychological fun”. The fact that he doesn’t consider it harassment is bad enough and I daresay the vehement denial of sexual violence is just panicked ass-covering, but that conclusion really just proves everything regarding how assorted manosphere groups view “feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemales”.

EDIT: Side note and unrelated, after I started reading here, I started paying attention to how often people refer to women as “females” in casual conversations. It shows up with frightening frequency, even from women.

idli sambar revolution
idli sambar revolution
2 years ago

“(Now, I want to make clear that I absolutely abhor rape and did not have any intention in that direction, not molestation not any of that.)”

Sure! We believe you.

“I know it is kind of low-level behaviour.”

Kind of?

Find out who this guy is, where he lives, and alert local law enforcement.

Eveloria
Eveloria
2 years ago

His whole description makes my chest hurt. I can feel the times I’ve been those poor girls he follows and it’s awful. As has been mentioned, this kind of shit is why women are cautious around all men. We know there are good ones but we can’t afford to take chances with creeps like this out there pretending they are okay just because (hopefully he is truthful) they haven’t actually touched anyone.

As to that awful article…I’m always a little confused by the guys who have been hurt in some way by a woman they were dating and then turn to something like Incel Culture. They’ve dated before, thus proving they can, which is something Incel’s claim they can’t do isn’t it?

Like just because you had one bad relationship doesn’t mean you can never have another good one. If it did I feel like most people would be forever single. It’s not like everyone but these guys hits the relationship jackpot on the first go.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
2 years ago

The ‘I can’t help it, I’ve been bullied!’ thing really gets my goat.

Yes. You can help it.

I’ve been bullied all my school career, I’ve been abused by some of my primary school teachers, I’ve been abused by my thesis supervisor, I had to deal with sexual harassment since I was twelve, now I’m harassed because I’m fat.

And I’m pretty damn sure that if I step out on the street, stop ten strangers, at least two of them will have experienced pretty much the same thing I did.

And most people manage to move on some way without turning into hate filled sacks of garbage.

It took me some time to develop healthy coping mechanisms and it took therapy to finally make peace with the past.

But it is possible.

To all incels:

Stop wallowing in self pity, give yourself a kick in the pants and do something to improve yourself!

idli sambar revolution
idli sambar revolution
2 years ago

“Stop wallowing in self pity, give yourself a kick in the pants and do something to improve yourself!”

That’s where the PUAs step in and say “we’re teaching men to improve themselves”.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Speaking of improving – could you please use blockquotes? Makes life much easier.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
2 years ago

Something that struck me from the article Kestrel linked was the claim that “girls are never wrong”; where the hell do they get this crap from? How can you not see women and girls getting criticized for all kinds of shit?

The fact that a lot of that criticism is unwarranted doesn’t in any way, shape, or form imply that women don’t fuck up too.

…fucking delusional shitstains. How much cognitive work does it take to actually believe this crap?

R
R
2 years ago

Is this creep aware that many 14 year old girls today have cell phones they can use to call 911? It’s like he’s fixing to land on the predator list, or fixing for a good beating from someone’s father or brother.

The idiocy confounds me.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 years ago

@Alan : I agree that doxxing them is a good way to make a number of them behave. The alt right began to falter when, after that horrible march, a lot of them were actually publicaly shamed as neo nazis.

Honestly, the best solutions would be to have a reliable police force that would be able to get the identity of people doing that kind of shit, and then going to warn them IRL. Or arrest them and prosecute them, depending on how dangerous what they say is ; the example here is a lot closer to “prosecution” to me.

That being said, most country don’t have a reliable enough police force for that. While the impunity of people on internet being to falter quite a lot, I think we can’t count on this alone. It’s similar to how a lot of rapes aren’t reported : trying to go the legal way against online hate will backfire for a lot of people.

So, in short : I don’t want people to be doxxed in general, don’t really want to make an exception for terrorists like the bozo here, but I agree it’s an actual solutions whose drawbacks aren’t quite as dire as some other problems, and that it’s a way for some targeted people to actually fight back without making their life even worse.

@WWTH : I would add that “blowing off steam” actually make anger worse. It don’t calm them or any thing like that, it just make them angrier and more dangerous. That’s in addition of every problem you listed.

idli sambar revolution
idli sambar revolution
2 years ago

“It’s like he’s fixing to land on the predator list”

He is a predator and should be on a list. On the other hand you never know if what these people write is true or not. It could be someone just b.s.ing or even inciting guys to do this as a joke, prank. But if it’s for real and if a girl did ever call 911, you can be sure he’d be back on the net in no time whining over the “injustice” of some “innocent” guy like him being 911’d over “merely walking”.

, or fixing for a good beating from someone’s father or brother.

That’s a patriarchal trope, similar to Aging Chad’s ideas.

R
R
2 years ago

Idli,

Maybe, but if dad or brother is the first person that girl calls instead of 911, it’s still likely to happen, partriarchal or not.