By David Futrelle
So here’s a screenshot floating around the internet that offers a sensible, common-sense solution to the problem of incels literally murdering people because they’re angry no hot women with have sex with them.
And by “sensible” and” “common-sense” I mean, “what the fucking fuck is this fuckery?”
Here’s the full text if you’d rather not squint at that:
People make is sound as if the “Incel Rebellion” is a laughing matter and that people don’t understand problem.
The incels are not the problem, but rather they are a symptom that something is very wrong in our society — and unless their legitimate grievances are addressed this could very soon spiral out of control just like what happened in Iraq, Libya and Syria when their respective governments refused to address and deal with the legitimate grievances a portion of their popolation had.
Calling the Incels a bunch of virgins and “frustrated losers with communication skills equal to that of an autistic potato” is oversimplifying the problem yes they are all that but why are they frustrated virgins?
The real issue is that with the advancement of makeup, healthy at any size bullshit, feminism and through social engineering a lot of women have become detached from reality. The reason these Incels arn’t getting laid is because women with a sexual market value equal to theirs use makeup to go from a 3/10 – 7/10 (false marketing in my opinion and should be a punishable offense) to fuck with men above their league.
So I propose that rather than making Incels look bad we look at the reasons they’ve become this way and what steps we can take to deconflict and reverse things because, let’s be real calling them names, labeling them a terrorist organization etc isn’t going to make the problem go away.
There are several ways I propose we do this:
1) Women are no longer allowed to wear makeup, ie falsely advertise their beauty and hence stop them from banging guys above their league.
2) Women are only allowed to date men with equal sexual market value to them. State-mandated tests should be made and everyone get a sexual-market value card ranging from 1/10 to 10/10, like an ID card.
3) Every time a woman sleeps with a new man she lose one 1 rank on her sexual-market value card until she reach the lowest rank 1/10.
4) There’s no way to rise through the ranks other than through excercise
5) Women with more than 9 sexual partners and single moms should be forced by the state to date and have sex with incels that can’t get any women despite the above changes.
This would deal with the problem not the symptom and is the ay we deal with everything from counter-piracy to counter- terrorism. The incel threat is real and should be treated the same way.
Though I haven’t been able to track this screenshot to its source, my guess — as someone who has been reading this sort of shit for years — is that it’s a sincere post from an incel sympathizer. If it’s a parody, and I really don’t think it is, it’s pitch-perfect, written by someone who has utterly mastered contemporary internet misogynist logic.
H/T —Â r/BadEconomics via Talia Lavin on Twitter.
I think you’re right. It’s not just that women are creeped out by these guys and won’t let them do sex on them either. It’s that in mainstream society, the perception that sex damages a woman forever is losing popularity. It’s still around in fundie communities and everything and as discussed in one of the previous threads, in the US at least, that’s still a big chunk of the country. But more and more, people who are not religious or moderately religious see women having pre-marital sex as no big deal. The notion that sex soils, degrades and damages women is based entirely on perception, not any kind of biological reality. Incels really, really that perception to become mainstream again so that women can be shamed and controlled. It’s no fun for them to have sex with a woman if she doesn’t feel ashamed afterwards and if her friends and family don’t shun her for it. This would be why they want to commit mass rapes and acid attacks. Because they hope that if a woman having consensual sex doesn’t destroy her, maybe being raped and/or disfigured will.
This is why I don’t want to help incels and am annoyed by those who do. Helping them would necessitate harming women.
Sex damaging women makes perfect sense if you view women as commodities. Used < new, whether it's cars, gum, or women. Women are just objects to be carelessly dented, then cast aside. It's been pointed out many times how violent PUA sexual jargon is (bang, pound, smash, "I'd hit that", and my personal unfavorite, "gashes"). So any previous sexual experience implies not just mileage, but actual damage.
Commidification also explains why they're so stubbornly hypocritical about demanding a 10 when they're on the low end of their own rating system. Confront them about it, and the usual response is "pfft, women don't need to be turned on. But men require atttraction!" The idea of women having preferences straight up offends them. They go to the store to buy milk and the milk doesn't have any say in the matter, so why should a foid be able to reject them? Who cares what they want?
(Then in the very next breath they'll whine: "How come Chad Thundercock gets all the girls?" like it's some kind of cosmic mystery, and go through all kinds of contortions to explain why it's Chad's abusive asshole personality that creates the attraction).
Anyway, they like the idea of forcing a woman to accept someone revolting. It validates their loathing and disgust.
I just don't get why they're so insistent on sorting people into a hierarchy when they're consistently at the bottom. It doesn't make sense. They rail against "lookism" but they themselves are the worst offenders, with their obsessive cataloguing of jaw angles and wrist measurements.
I was totally on board with this screed for a split second. I read this: “The incels are not the problem, but rather they are a symptom that something is very wrong in our society” and thought, “Yeah, that’s true!” and then it completely lost me and went downhill so fast that I was soon laughing at the absurdity even though I agree with David that it’s probably a completely sincerely written pile of bullshit.
Don’t forget “slaying pussy.” Gotta love that one.
I was going to mention “slay”. I couldn’t believe that one the first time I heard it. (Admittedly the people I hear it from aren’t necessarily incel/manosphere types, but it’s not any better that the people using it are sexually active. That doesn’t make them not misogynists.)
But noooo, using terms like that totally doesn’t mean they hate women. Absolutely unthinkable.
(I keep encountering this line of thought from certain men: “I can’t possibly be a misogynist, I quite like women! Sure, I think they’re sex objects, but I like sex objects! What’s the problem? Why do you think I hate them?” I have no idea how to get through to these people.)
Buttercup:
Laziness. Self-improvement is hard work, and if you can claim it’s hopeless because you have traits which can never be improved, you’re absolved of doing that work.
The thing is- and I can’t say this enough- these guys are utterly invested in their own misery. They NEED to be horrible and unfuckable and have nothing they can do to change it. That’s why they confabulate all these absurd “truths” about what women find sexually attractive and insist that they’re all utterly immutable.
Because the alternative is facing up to the reality that their problems are their own damn fault.
Nah, it’s not that you’ve failed to develop a personality, it’s not that you’ve never bothered getting out of your rut and doing something new, it’s not that your bitterness and anger are so palpable that you might as well be wearing it as a cologne. Nah. It’s that your wrist-to-hand-thickness ratio doesn’t match some bizarre ideal you plucked out of nowhere.
They have literally manufactured their own miserable, dysfunctional hell in order to avoid facing the tiniest bit of cognitive dissonance.
My god, I’m so thankful to that cute, quirky goth girl who insisted I come play duck-duck-goose with her and her friends when I was in community college.
We never even dated, it was just the realization that I was cute enough for an attractive woman to try approaching that utterly shattered all my “the girl I liked dated another guy because he’s an asshole and I’m too nice woe is me” bullshit I’d worked myself up into during high school.
I wonder how many of these guys get hit on periodically and don’t notice. I know that once I realized what I was looking for, I could look back on my memories of when I thought I was “unfuckable” and go “ah, shit! She thought I was cute! And so did she! Dammit how could I have been so oblivious?!”
This whole male sexual sadism thing. It’s so huge and all-encompassing and I can’t even.
*sigh*
It’s not just PUA jargon either, “roast beef curtains” and “porking” and such garbage are pervasive. This society has so deeply internalized talking about women’s bodies in terms of meat – I’ve seen a lot of men do it without thought, and IMO it should scare the hell out of them that they find it acceptable.
That is exactly right – thanks for putting it so clearly.
There’s also an Incel thing that “women have preferences, men have requirements”. Or it could be the other way round; a lot of their stuff is confusing and inconsistent.
But anyway, it’s the idea that women are just fickle and picky in choosing a partner, whereas men of course operate strictly on evolutionary principles.
(How this fits in with the rest of their ‘philosophy’ is left as an excercise for the reader)
At least we know these guys won’t breed and pass down their mental illness
“roast beef curtains”
Um, what?! On second thought, never mind. I don’t even wanna know.
re: “slaying pussy”
Toxic masculinity has built an entire language around the idea of sexual intimacy as a conquest. This has been discussed at length on other posts here, every slang term for sex is a rebranded violent and/or perjorative term, and every sexual word, when used in another context, is violent and/or pejorative.
bang, hit on, nail, chase women, get some, ad nauseum.
if my car breaks down, it’s fucked. Never hear anyone say “… just got a new paint job and some 20″ rims… my ride is totally fucked!”
So let’s contemplate for a moment the problems of the gay male incel, who, due to a majority of the male population being hetero, is denied the sex that is his natural right. How can the government resolve this issue? Perhaps by assigning hetero incels to them. All based on the 1-10 lookism scale of course, so nobody shoots above their league.
That’s part of why I like using phrases like “Fucking awesome”, cause fucking is awesome, and we should use it to describe good things, I think.
Here’s Rindy Kirkman of “Shotgun Sunday” with some more weaponized* eyewear
*… see what I did there….
E.T.A. and a really good electric version of “House of the Rising Sun”
@ David,
I keep meaning to say congrats! on all these great articles 🙂
And look what I just found –
The Red Pillers are attempting to address the “media suit types” :
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8fmm1s/the_official_an_incel_murdered_somebody_thread/
I feel like taking a trip to the liquor store…
Shouldn’t that be ‘the official another incel murdered people again’ thread? ‘Cause this sure as hell ain’t just a one-off thing.
Apparently I’m doing a good job of confronting some people oversensitive to criticism of the women who signed the letter in support of Tom Brokaw if anyone would find that interesting.
https://www.themarysue.com/female-journalists-sign-letter-in-support-of-tom-brokaw-amidst-allegations-of-misconduct/
That interpretation of criticism as silencing or a free speech problem is quite an immature and irrational reaction. There’s a pattern in here that can lead to figuring out how to confront it more efficiently. I wish it was easier to tease out.
Also presumption of innocence? The need to LARP courtroom procedure is an interesting and annoying way to manipulate a non courtroom social environment.
I’ve realized what’s the real problem with this whole “sexual market value” crap. The best way to test compatibility is to compare book/music collections.
Ooh. A new rant to rip apart!?
Off to a great start with the abelism. Also, throwing around autistic as a casual insult is something that incels do a lot. So far not doing a great job differentiating yourselves.
So, it’s bad for people to assume that incels and red pillers are the same, but okay for you to assume that he committed these murders specifically because reddit shut down the incel sub? Kay.
Except no. Incels “analyze” women’s “mate selection paradigm” much in the same way that red pillers do. The way they objectify women is the same. The way they talk about sex and relationships as purely transactional is the same. The way they resent women who enthusiastically engage in sexual activity while simultaneously resenting women who don’t want casual sex is the same. From what I’ve seen, the only difference is that red pillers spin almost always tall tales of their sexual conquests while incels admit women want nothing to do with them.
Then he asks why TRP and incel appear so similar.
Well gee. Could it be that you sound exactly the same?
Sure, pal. It’s not that most people, including most men don’t want to live life as a perpetually angry and joyless misogynist who obsessively catalogs SMV and categorizes other men into various Greek letter designations. No. It’s just that your “philosophy” is too sophisticated for everyone else to understand. You just keep telling yourself that.
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
Then he goes on for a while about how horrible it is that women go for tall men. For a system that’s supposed to greatly improve men’s lives and give them a positive identity, the men in this community sure do sound angry and fragile.
I wasn’t aware men were being prosecuted for 2nd degree tiny wrist circumference. You learn something new everyday!
Aging Chad? Is that you?
Oh, and if anyone is inclined to read the comments, beware of all the transphobia. Apparently if incels just pretended to transition, their lives would become super easy because all the silly leftists would support them.
Interesting historical fact: one reason Billy the Kid was able to escape custody so many times is that he had fairly thick wrists and could easily get out of handcuffs. So would this incel wrist thing say he had an advantage?
@Zlz
Wtf, individual? That’s several levels of wrong there.
*lol* if you have had way more than nine sex partners *raises hand*, do you have a negative number then? And what would that even mean? Like you don’t have looks any longer? You have, uh, the opposite of looks? If people look at you, they can’t see you, it’s just like some kind of black hole sucking in light?