By David Futrelle
So here’s a screenshot floating around the internet that offers a sensible, common-sense solution to the problem of incels literally murdering people because they’re angry no hot women with have sex with them.
And by “sensible” and” “common-sense” I mean, “what the fucking fuck is this fuckery?”
Here’s the full text if you’d rather not squint at that:
People make is sound as if the “Incel Rebellion” is a laughing matter and that people don’t understand problem.
The incels are not the problem, but rather they are a symptom that something is very wrong in our society — and unless their legitimate grievances are addressed this could very soon spiral out of control just like what happened in Iraq, Libya and Syria when their respective governments refused to address and deal with the legitimate grievances a portion of their popolation had.
Calling the Incels a bunch of virgins and “frustrated losers with communication skills equal to that of an autistic potato” is oversimplifying the problem yes they are all that but why are they frustrated virgins?
The real issue is that with the advancement of makeup, healthy at any size bullshit, feminism and through social engineering a lot of women have become detached from reality. The reason these Incels arn’t getting laid is because women with a sexual market value equal to theirs use makeup to go from a 3/10 – 7/10 (false marketing in my opinion and should be a punishable offense) to fuck with men above their league.
So I propose that rather than making Incels look bad we look at the reasons they’ve become this way and what steps we can take to deconflict and reverse things because, let’s be real calling them names, labeling them a terrorist organization etc isn’t going to make the problem go away.
There are several ways I propose we do this:
1) Women are no longer allowed to wear makeup, ie falsely advertise their beauty and hence stop them from banging guys above their league.
2) Women are only allowed to date men with equal sexual market value to them. State-mandated tests should be made and everyone get a sexual-market value card ranging from 1/10 to 10/10, like an ID card.
3) Every time a woman sleeps with a new man she lose one 1 rank on her sexual-market value card until she reach the lowest rank 1/10.
4) There’s no way to rise through the ranks other than through excercise
5) Women with more than 9 sexual partners and single moms should be forced by the state to date and have sex with incels that can’t get any women despite the above changes.
This would deal with the problem not the symptom and is the ay we deal with everything from counter-piracy to counter- terrorism. The incel threat is real and should be treated the same way.
Though I haven’t been able to track this screenshot to its source, my guess — as someone who has been reading this sort of shit for years — is that it’s a sincere post from an incel sympathizer. If it’s a parody, and I really don’t think it is, it’s pitch-perfect, written by someone who has utterly mastered contemporary internet misogynist logic.
H/T — r/BadEconomics via Talia Lavin on Twitter.
How many sexual market points are knocked off for the men having sex?
What happened to “we don’t negotiate with terrorists”?
@Dr Thang
Yep. I think that’s what they think. We all sneak out, leaving our unsuspecting boyfriends sleeping, and do the secret knock at the plain disused-looking door on the docks, and then we get let in and turned into Taylor Swift while discussing our plans for world domination over champagne
Actually, I don’t know about you, but I’m totally in
@Guy
Good idea in theory – but the thing is 1) sex workers have (or should have) the right to refuse clients and I can’t imagine incels treating them with enough respect to be allowed to spend time with them and 2) they don’t want sex workers because – clue in point 5 of the word vomit in the post – the more sexually active a woman is, the more worthless she is. There are sex workers, if they want them; it’s not at all hard to find. They don’t want that. They want the young blonde HB10 virgins they think they’re entitled to. And they want them handed over as property; they don’t want to have to put in any effort.
@Ooglyboggles
That only applies when the terrorists aren’t white.
Ooh, I know this one! Fat uggos are all 1/10, so anyone above 1/10 already has a nice body.
Sexual slavery. Every time it comes up it gives me the chills. It gives me extra chills because I’m extremely averse to having sex. Which doesn’t mean I think it would be worse for me/people like me just that even the thought makes me afraid. That sort of thing shows up in my literal nightmares.
I know I’ve been told not to fear, but I’m a pretty fearful person.
How do you get past that and to a place where it’s possible to think productively?
I’m going to bang my head against the wall now. Maybe then I’ll understand their convoluted logic. Or I’ll simply pass out, which, come to think of it, would be more ideal.
@PeeVee the Tired
No, no – that’s how men gain points. And the hotter the women, the bigger the number of points they gain each time, especially if there’s a disparity between the man and the woman.
Now, I don’t know if they lose points for having sex with a fat woman, and I assume gay sex doesn’t count one way or another, but it should be noted that the quality of the sex is inconsequential.
This is why Roosh’s shitty ass doesn’t lower his sexual market value, and his high SMV means that all the women want his shitty ass. Right, ladies? Y’all want that.
Right?
Hello?
*crickets*
Oobles:
I do think there’s a series of books just like what was mentioned written by a guy named Westerfield. I think the title is Uglies! I know it hits all the salient points the above poster mentioned too.
This idiot talks about banning make-up, but he’ll be the first to complain about it if women didn’t use it.
I remember TFL True Forced Loneliness from like 10 years ago. Like most of the Manosphere, I think Incels got their ideas from these black guys. (Though I do remember some white TFLers too back in the day). Black dudes were on various platforms talking about these things for years before the white ”manosphere”. Then there was Sgt Willie Pete and Thugtican. I also remember when the manosphere blogs were at their peak they discussed “why black guys aren’t doing this” and when someone said “they are on You Tube be doing it”, Vox Day or someone like him said they don’t have the literariness it takes to blog so they have to run their mouths on video. Guys who’s on YouTube now?
Then there was Blaque Indigo and other black women talking about “pleasin’ yo man” and how women should “let their kings lead”. What Roosh calls “trad thots” now, about a decade late. The online African American Gender War was already getting old by the time the white Manosphere reared its tiny head.
Obsidian seems to be rehashing, over and over and over and over, issues that most black gender warriors moved on from years ago.
So when incels get their state-issued SMV card branding them as a 1/10, I’m sure they’ll be just thrilled at the prospect of only dating other 1/10s.
I don’t think they’ve thought this one through.
1) Women are no longer allowed to wear makeup, ie falsely advertise their beauty and hence stop them from banging guys above their league.
Despite her makeup and glam, Cher still banged (and married and had his baby) Sonny and he was like 5 points BELOW her.
2) Women are only allowed to date men with equal sexual market value to them. State-mandated tests should be made and everyone get a sexual-market value card ranging from 1/10 to 10/10, like an ID card.
Something tells me these incels will assume “their own league” is higher than it is.
It’s like from that Robin guy’s site. One incel commenter complained that some guys have like 50 partners while some only 1 and therefore the quantity needs to be spread out over the male populace in order to be “fair”. And the guy from the arranged marriage comment who plans on letting his parents arrange a marriage AND cheat on his wife as a so called “escortcel”.
These guys don’t want 1 “same league” partner. They want what the “alpha dawgs” have. This isn’t about “forced loneliness” or “involuntary celibacy” at all. It’s about envy of other (so called ‘alpha’) men and feeling entitled to what they perceive them as having; tons of super hot women and sex. It’s also about feeling entitled to monogamy from all those women while they cheat on them.
@Violet the Vile, Wielder of an Ideologically Weaponised Vagina
Well you see *puts on glasses on top of glasses* makeup improves the Beauty stat to it’s soft cap for below averages to 7/10. It vastly helps out Feminine builds that wish to round out their stats without investing in the “born pretty” trait.
Escortcels are the ones who visit sex workers, no? Then how in the FUCK do they call themselves celibate? Because even if they use whatever problem they perceive to be the cause of their involuntary celibacy, (smallcel, wristcel, etc) they’re not fucking celibate if they’re visiting sex workers.
GodDAMN, this shit is all sorts of messed up.
Okay, I’m going to take on this dude’s “solutions” one by one, with some real solutions of my own. Big breath…let’s do this:
Well, then. By the same token, men should not be allowed to buy luxury cars, pricey liquor, hair plugs, Viagra, and all kinds of other false signifiers of virility, youth, fertility and good providership. There is nothing I hate more in men than deceptions designed to sucker me into their sack. If they can’t work like a stallion and look like one naturally and perform in bed like one naturally to boot, they don’t get sexed like one, either. Fair’s fair, right?
And may I ask on what basis these numerical ratings of “sexual market value” are based, exactly? How are they measured? And whose idea of beauty will reign supreme as the standard of the so-called sexual marketplace? Because, you know, to market a commodity, you have to measure it in units that are legal for trade…
Oh! Oh! I have a better idea. How about you just don’t assign sexual values by number to women, because we sure as hell don’t do that to YOU.
Would THAT work?
Same thing, then, should apply to the dudes. I’m against slut-shaming on the whole, but if we must have it, then let’s make it equal opportunity and level the playing field!
Again, same thing, apply to the dudes. Lather, rinse, repeat…
Oh, and on the subject of lather and rinse: let’s add dressing decently, learning how to wash your own clothes, taking care of your own living quarters, and having good hygiene in general. Because if you exercise, you’re bound to get filthy and sweaty and need a shower. Also, learn how to wash your face and wipe your own ass, fella…because none of us will be doing it for you. Once you’re out of diapers and Mommy is no longer mopping your bum, you have no more excuses left! Men with no excuses, who know how to look after themselves without the help of a woman, really ARE more attractive than men who are wallowing in excuses (not to mention stale perspiration and dander and shit.)
Hell, a man who’s just a 3, lookswise, is sexually speaking a 9 if he doesn’t need to be told to quit moping and pick up after himself!
Uh, NO. Just NO. Forced sex is rape. Sex with anyone you don’t actually want is rape. As someone who hasn’t dated in longer than she’d care to say (or had sex with a man, either, come to that), I’d rather be waterboarded by the CIA than forced to date one of you fucking assholes and suck your miserable, unwashed cock. For that, I have only the following to propose:
And, I never thought I’d ever see the day I said this, either, but seriously, dude, just go migtoe. At least they can admit that they chose the miserable, unhappy path they’re on. For you to rise even to their measly level, though, would require self-awareness. And if you had any of that, you wouldn’t be a misogynist.
Aaaand now I need a drink. And a kitty.
Given that the sole purpose of makeup and fashion is to attract an alpha “male”, I do sometimes wonder what these guys make of the weirder end of high fashion.
What do they think of Gaga’s meat dress?
Any incels out there, I’d appreciate your thoughts on this. Also any critiques you have of the whole vfiles yellow fur ss16 thing.
“Also, learn how to wash your face and wipe your own ass”
it has to be cleansed with water and soap after each poop session and i’m damn sure these guys don’t do that.
“What do they think of Gaga’s meat dress? ”
actually incels should pour their hearts into animal rights activism and at least contribute something to sentient beingkind.
but not be like vegan gainz. who was an incel for a while and then married some Croatian gamer, brought her to the us, and I think they are divorced now so he’s mgtow. vegan gainz is bad pr for the vegan cause, though maybe his angst is just what the animals need to not be exploited any longer. yeah the incels should be angtsy for the animals.
Stop right there, duders. You don’t even need to get to your gross and unsolicited suggestions.
The alleged celibacy is entirely beside the point. The concern people have is over the radicalizing spiral of toxic nonsense that incels propagandize each other with in their online communities. And also the stuff that Dr. Thang and IgnoreSandra have already said better than I can.
Aristophanes: I have a solution for this — we just reverse the rule!
Also, if I lose a level for every dude I sleep with, and can only “level up” through exercise, can’t I just maintain my rank by sleeping around *and* working out?
“If it’s a parody, and I really don’t think it is, it’s pitch-perfect, written by someone who has utterly mastered contemporary internet misogynist logic.”
Many are trying to figure out if Kyle Incel is for real or an acting student making a project. If he’s acting, he’s a jerk for threatening suicide and getting people to worry over him.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwGof4wfGoLbXIMKxVQniHA/videos
@Mooncustafer:
And if you have energetic enough sex, you can do both at the same time!
Apologies if I missed something in the post or in the comments, but it’s 3am and I need to sleep, but not before saying:
If (assuming het world) women can only sleep with men of an equal “sexual market value”, does the author understand that means he will only be able to sleep with his SMV equals? I pour scorn all over the entire SMV concept, but these Incels are obsessed with rating themselves at the bottom of the scale and being pissed off higher rated women won’t sleep with them. WELL DONE FINDING A SOLUTION! /s
Night all. Sleep tight and dream of puppies, kittens and scented candles.
@Rapid Rabbit
I think you and Mooncustafer have stumbled on a cheat code! In any set of rules, there are exploits to use.
Other possible cheat code: Women of the same rank just being with each other, and never with men. Breaks the entire system, but poor het women 🙁
@WeatherWax
They’re so obsessed with their self loathing that they design systems just so they can keep feeling like shit.