By David Futrelle
So here’s a screenshot floating around the internet that offers a sensible, common-sense solution to the problem of incels literally murdering people because they’re angry no hot women with have sex with them.
And by “sensible” and” “common-sense” I mean, “what the fucking fuck is this fuckery?”
Here’s the full text if you’d rather not squint at that:
People make is sound as if the “Incel Rebellion” is a laughing matter and that people don’t understand problem.
The incels are not the problem, but rather they are a symptom that something is very wrong in our society — and unless their legitimate grievances are addressed this could very soon spiral out of control just like what happened in Iraq, Libya and Syria when their respective governments refused to address and deal with the legitimate grievances a portion of their popolation had.
Calling the Incels a bunch of virgins and “frustrated losers with communication skills equal to that of an autistic potato” is oversimplifying the problem yes they are all that but why are they frustrated virgins?
The real issue is that with the advancement of makeup, healthy at any size bullshit, feminism and through social engineering a lot of women have become detached from reality. The reason these Incels arn’t getting laid is because women with a sexual market value equal to theirs use makeup to go from a 3/10 – 7/10 (false marketing in my opinion and should be a punishable offense) to fuck with men above their league.
So I propose that rather than making Incels look bad we look at the reasons they’ve become this way and what steps we can take to deconflict and reverse things because, let’s be real calling them names, labeling them a terrorist organization etc isn’t going to make the problem go away.
There are several ways I propose we do this:
1) Women are no longer allowed to wear makeup, ie falsely advertise their beauty and hence stop them from banging guys above their league.
2) Women are only allowed to date men with equal sexual market value to them. State-mandated tests should be made and everyone get a sexual-market value card ranging from 1/10 to 10/10, like an ID card.
3) Every time a woman sleeps with a new man she lose one 1 rank on her sexual-market value card until she reach the lowest rank 1/10.
4) There’s no way to rise through the ranks other than through excercise
5) Women with more than 9 sexual partners and single moms should be forced by the state to date and have sex with incels that can’t get any women despite the above changes.
This would deal with the problem not the symptom and is the ay we deal with everything from counter-piracy to counter- terrorism. The incel threat is real and should be treated the same way.
Though I haven’t been able to track this screenshot to its source, my guess — as someone who has been reading this sort of shit for years — is that it’s a sincere post from an incel sympathizer. If it’s a parody, and I really don’t think it is, it’s pitch-perfect, written by someone who has utterly mastered contemporary internet misogynist logic.
H/T — r/BadEconomics via Talia Lavin on Twitter.
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Like, I mean, ignoring all of the gross nonsense in there – everything this dork is proposing has been suggested a thousand times by these jerks –
he honestly thinks that Syria suffered its problems because women were too uppity to give sex to everyone, and the government didn’t do anything about it
Like, ignoring the fact that the Saudis and Americans want to ram a giant pipeline through there to bring natural gas to Europe, and the Russians have been blocking it so that they can keep their near monopoly.
Ignoring the fact that Syria’s neighbour has been torn open in brutal civil war thanks to an imperialist kelptocracy.
Ignoring the fact that the Syrian farmlands have collapsed due to desertification by climate change, overcrowding the cities and making food prices skyrocket, leading to mass protests and eventual military police action.
Ignoring all that, these dipships want to tell us it was caused by foids wearing too much makeup?
Hey, Incels, here’s an idea – howabout instead of all that, we just say that all men are allowed to wear makeup now, too! You too can increase your Sexual Market Value through the application of grooming and hygiene techniques, getting the same advantages as those conniving sluts! And since you’re so much smarter and cleverer than the womz, you’ll surely beat them at their own game!
No? What’s that you say? You’d rather just keep bitching about how sluts are just too hypergamous? Yeah, thought so.
Ah, one of the classics: “women should want to have sex with us, but also they should be penalised for having sex”
Does anyone else feel queasy reading these “solutions to incels” that completely ignore women’s agency and act like sex is something that’s owed to men?
Legalize prostution. Simple solution to this problem and many others.
Not a solution that doesn’t come with other complications, but overall a net good.
Wow. Just… wow.
So… when does this “sexual market value” get tested? Is this a yearly thing like a license plate or more like a drivers license?
What if the people who make the standards are leg men, and you’re a breast man? Do the values change from state to state?
Since ranks are “unchanging”, what happens with plastic surgery or disfiguring accidents – will either of these require additional paperwork?
If ranks can rise through exercise, will female bodybuilders be an automatic 10/10?
And above all, who’s going to enforce the equal sexual market value dating thing/# of sexual partners thing? Will we have dating police? Electronic monitoring bracelets that beep when in the presence of someone who’s not your number? Chastity belts you have to swipe your card through so they open up?
I have no idea where I was going with this.
Oh my God I fucking can’t even
“rather than make incels look bad”
Like, some unnamed people are “making you look bad”? worse than the way you looked when you all cheered all over your forums because one of your number killed a lot of people and they actually died, you know, with the guns and the terror and the blood, and you thought that was hilarious? Or when you made a video of yourself lovingly unboxing your spree killer teeshirts? Or that whole thing about how the state should force women to have sex with you? Or what? Who is “making you look bad” in the what now?
Seriously. I can’t stop laughing. I think my brain has finally broken.
“a lot of women have become detached from reality”
send help
I will never understand these people’s obsession with ‘sexual market value.’ And just sex in general. There are other sorts of human relationships, but I suppose having any one of them requires work they’re not willing to put into it.
I’m no sociologist, but maybe it’s broadcasting attitudes like this that women find off-putting, rather than the wrist stuff.
I took him to mean that just as the people in Syria suffered terrible problems, so do incels suffer terrible problems, not that the problems necessarily where the same. Still absolutely bonkers though to compare life under a brutal dictatorship to being a virgin….
If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, is sexual market value in the eye of the incel?
These guys need to get a clue, and some self-perception.
This proposal is literally something you’d expect to see in a bad dystopian YA novel from the early 2010s ripping off The Hunger Games or Divergent, one that had a dash of reheated plot points and world-building stolen from The Handmaid’s Tale to give a veneer of social commentary to it. Like, something a hack writer banged out in five minutes as a flimsy excuse to have pretty young people (who are judged as “worthless” and “ugly” on a 1-10 scale because the story is a metaphor for high school cliques) running around taking down the system.
When the honest-to-God proposal you’re suggesting sounds like the villains in a pulpy teen-lit novel, and you accuse everybody else of being detached from reality, consider that a sign that you need an intervention.
omg omg and just look at this bit:
I just…I can’t. I think I need to go and have a little lie down. I’m a bit hysterical.
I like how he thinks that women wearing makeup and women who aren’t super thin having sexual attention and partners is something new. It’s not. Makeup has been around for thousands of years. People have been beautifying themselves for probably as long as we’ve existed. The waifish body type has not been the ideal in every single culture that’s ever existed.
I know that’s a minor quibble considering all the other horrific bullshit here. It bugged me though.
I’m so sick of this idea that the only thing wrong with incels is they aren’t getting sex. They’re occasionally going on killing sprees while the rest worship said killers and encourage/hope for more killings, and not getting laid is the ONLY thing wrong with them??
I was a virgin for 28 years, and I know many others, men and women, who were virgins for far longer than most people, we all had our issues because of it but not one of us was ever ANYTHING like these cretinous scumbags! We never hated others for getting or not giving us sex, we never blamed them or society for our situation, we never felt entitled to sex, we didn’t blame our looks for all our failures as an excuse to not improve ourselves in other ways, and we didn’t think sex would fix all our problems.
This isn’t an issue with society, it’s an issue with entitlement, it’s an issue with the incels themselves, nobody else is responsible for their choice to wallow in bitterness and self pity over their fixable problems. Sex won’t fix them, it will only cause further issues because they refuse to work on or even acknowledge their real problems. They don’t want to get better, they relish in the comfort zone of having external forces to blame for everything wrong with their lives.
How does makeup take you from a 3 to a 7 if the primary source of female unbangability seems to be fat? I mean, you can only rise through the ranks with exercising. Not getting a nose job or growing your hair and dying it blonde or whatever. Just exercise. So, presumably the author is basing hotness on body type. Does he know that makeup doesn’t make you look 30 lbs thinner?
Yeah he really seems to think that make-up is an extremely powerful tool.
Beauty is subjective, but there is such a thing as, well, society’s beauty standards, so I guess you could do a rough ranking of where people fall with regards to that. But even granting some kind of ranking system, it’s hilarious how he thinks that people can completely change the way they look with the aid of make-up.
@Kevin R.: To be honest, I would probably read that novel. I love trashy dystopias in fiction. I just wish they’d stop leaking into real life.
Incels are so full of self-loathing and so obsessed with the superficial, who even wants to be around them? Let alone have intimate relations with them? Dude, work on yourself. Get a hobby. Find some interests other than fretting about all the sex you’re not having. Make yourself a little less loathsome.
I was just on Talia Lavin’s Twitter account, and I recommended this site to someone who seems new to the whole concept of incels, but sought to argue apologia regardless.
So, just a heads-up, should a new commenter show up and try to argue #notallincels, which he has already used as a hashtag.
He also tried to follow *me*, (nipped that in the bud) and followed Robin Hanson this morning.
Uh oh.
@ Violet
Jesus balls, I missed that part at first, how do these failures think makeup even works?? Do they think women sit in a chair for 3 hours while a team of special effects artists paint them like fuckin Ron Perlman in Hellboy?
Okay, I know race is rarely discussed on here, mostly because White men are so incredibly loud about their hatred of women (and willing to kill so many because of that hatred.) But there are Black Incels and Mgtows. They’re out there calling themselves by a different name, like Forced Loneliness Movement, though, and not hanging with the White guys who have made their racism apparent. Black men are subject to the same socialization that teaches them they are entitled to pretty women ,too.
This is Deborah Cooper, who performs some of the same functions that David Futrelle does here, of calling out Toxic Masculinity in the Black community. (She’s also incredibly funny. )
*Some of what she says might be offensive to some people here, but her basic message is truthful and she is just talking in the blunt manner that a lot of Black men will understand.)
https://youtu.be/KIVP03zYL5E
https://youtu.be/NkwlM5GZbfY
I would link to some websites but they must be very lowkey because I couldn’t find any. But they are talked about. Google: Forced Loneliness Movement.
@Weaponized –
This so much. Nobody is “making them look bad”. They are doing an excellent job of that all by themselves.
No wonder they love Donald Trump – he sounds just like them.
HE put Dr. Jackson in that spotlight, and tried to put pressure on him to privatize the VA like the Koch Brothers want from him. Then when that nomination blazed up like the dumpster fire it was, THEN he tried to put the blame on the Ranking Senate Democrat on the Veterans’ Committee who brought the doctor’s past alleged wrongdoing to light.
No blame for him for putting the doctor in that horrible position — and forcing him to lie (because there is no way Donald J. Sr. just weighs 239 pounds; I’m sorry; there are professional baseball players that height and weight, and they don’t slump around like Donald in his ill-fitting suits) – in the first place. No blame for the Republicans on that same committee for doing the right thing. No blame for his nefarious aims of privatizing which every single Veterans’ community & association in the U.S. opposes. Nothing but heinous acts and then scapegoating others.
And then threats of violence and actual attempts at violence — but they’ll run like cowards from anybody who tries to fight back, after all their tries at bullying and abuse.
No wonder they vote for him, and try to follow him. They’re all cut from the same proverbial piece of cloth.
I have a better idea to solve the incel problem.
Anyone who worships murderers or espouses rape is jailed for the rest of their lives.
Problem over.
No, seriously. It’s fine to have a sad over not having sex right now, but they’ve reached the point where they’re acting exactly like a terrorist cell. We just kind of ignore them for no reason.
The problem isn’t this vague bullshit about makeup and “looks”. The problem is there’s a certain group of people who, when presented with the reality that they need to use the tools they have available to them to improve themselves, have instead chosen to believe that everyone else is wrong.
Paul Elam has been banned from Twitter, apparently.
Yes, let’s ban makeup.
For men too. Plenty of men do wear it. As well as skin care products. Dry skin me is wincing at folk doing without their skin care things, but, whatever we have to do, I guess do it to level the playing field or something.
And once that’s done, some men may be taller, so I guess – chop off their legs? And other men might have bigger penii, so I guess we’ll have to chop everyone’s off then too, – to make things “even”.
Is this how this all works?