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Incels hail Toronto van driver who killed 10 as a new Elliot Rodger, talk of future acid attacks and mass rapes [UPDATED]

Alek Minassian: The new Elliot Rodger?

UPDATE: The CBC has confirmed with Facebook that Minassian’s post declaring himself an incel and hailing Elliot Rodger is real. 

By David Futrelle

As I write this, it’s still not completely clear if Alek Minassian, the alleged driver of the van that killed ten pedestrians in Toronto yesterday in what appeared to be a very deliberate attack, is in fact a self-identified “involuntary celibate” trying to take revenge against the “Chads” and “Stacies” and other “normies” he blames for ruining his life — or if these reports are simply some sort of 4chan-style hoax.

But on the Incels.me forum, one of the more egregious hangouts for incels online, many are already hailing the alleged mass murderer as one of their own.

In an assortment of threads that popped up after the news media began to report on a supposed Facebook post from Minassian announcing that “the Incel Rebellion has … begun,” some of the Incels.me regulars are celebrating the killings and the alleged killer as “life fuel” for them and their nihilistic, misogynistic, misanthropic “movement.” (Click on the pics below to see the comments in context on Incels.me.)

 Letting Go SE Asia or bust - JoinedMar 12, 2018 Messages1,167 Yesterday at 9:53 PM#52 Bronzehawkattack said: I really want it to be true that the guy was an incel lmao I just want to find out that a bunch of Chads and foids were killed.

 KiryuKazuma Recruit - JoinedApr 8, 2018 Messages27 Today at 12:16 AM#2 Alek Minassian. Spread that name, speak of his sacrifice for our cause, worship him for he gave his life for our future. CopeWithTheRope CopeWithTheRope Officer - JoinedJan 2, 2018 Messages826 Today at 12:19 AM#3 Top fucking kek

 gstvtrp Modcel - JoinedNov 7, 2017 Messages1,701 Today at 12:21 AM#6 The message is getting out. We're mainstream now

Naturally, it didn’t take long for one of the regular commenters to adopt a picture of Minassian as his avatar.

 Garbage Veteran - JoinedFeb 16, 2018 Messages1,063 Today at 12:27 AM#17 the incel revolution has begun

But no one was quite so enthusiastic about the killings as the commenter calling himself BlkPillPres, who wondered if the killer had taken the advice he had given in a previous thread to use something other than guns in his “ER” — that is, Elliot Rodger-style — attack.

 BlkPillPres BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Yesterday at 10:25 PM#61 If he is incel I wonder if he saw my thread TOP KEK - https://incels.me/threads/more-mass...od-thing-hopefully-er-rapes-will-begin.31789/ This shit right here is lifefuel for me and exactly what I was talking about, too many ER guys are using guns so its expected and they get taken down very quickly these days, not only that but having these killings only take place with guns makes normies feel safe. Since this guy used a vehicle now the whole "ban guns" spiel looks like retarded coping, you can't ban hatred, hatred is all it takes to go do a mass killing event. This is literally what I asked for, finally somebody breaking the mold, next up how about a guy who breaks into a condom vending machine at night, pokes holes in all the condoms and closes the machine. I would love to see the end result of that shit, pure lifefuel. So many normie males will get trapped in unwated lives ;) ER doesn't always have to be violent, it just needs to be strategic and punish normies in some way, they need to be in constant fear for EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR LIFE, killing normies from my perspective is kinda pointless but this is still good, I prefer acid attacks to mass killings though, wonder who is going to do a "mass acid attack". He will have zero kills to his high score but in my book he'd have beaten all the high scores by virtue of lives ruined and BLACK PILLS FORCED DOWN PEOPLES THROATS. All the normies who used to think "looks don't matter" will not get to test the theory lol.

Many in the media and in politics are unwilling to label attacks driven by misogynistic ideology as terrorism — often declaring them to be simply the result of “mental illness,” as many did in the case of Elliot Rodger’s murders (ignoring his hundred page manifesto), and as the authorities are already doing in the Toronto attacks.

But misogyny is not mental illness; it’s hate. And what BlkPillPres is talking about here is essentially the dictionary definition of terrorism — “[t]he unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.” The tactics he suggests are an explicit attempt to subject “normies” to “constant fear” — that is, terror — in all areas of their lives, in order to advance BlkPillPres’ goal of “black pilling” the world and intimidating those who criticize incels into silence.

Following his link back to the older thread, one quickly discovers that it is even more disturbing. In it, BlkPillPres sets out what he sees as the virtues of various terroristic strategies, from acid attacks to mass rape to vehicle attacks like the one we saw yesterday.  (If you are feeling at all fragile you may wish to stop reading this post right here.)

 BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Mar 27, 2018#1 http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/He...threatening-to-kill-classmates-477916203.html I'm glad this shit is happening because I think mass shootings are too inefficient and pointless anyways, I want to see some mass food poisoning deaths, maybe a pipe bomb or two, or hopefully somebody finally uses a fucking truck to just ram down roasties during a school parade or something, mix it up a little. As more and more get stopped like this, sooner or later everybody will start getting the message, that mass shootings are obsolete, and they'll need to seek out less predictable methods of "going ER". What I can't wait for, the one I know is really going to fuck with normies, really punish society, is when the first incel mass rape/serial rape takes place, when a guy leaves a manifesto after killing himself detailing all the rapes he's done, that will be the best ER ever, because his victims don't just get to die, and their families don't just get to "move on". These women will be traumatized, some might kill themselves before or after their rape begins to get coverage, their families will have to endure the shame, etc that comes with this, the women will have to endure reliving the rape everyday, endure months to years of therapy sessions. Not to mention we will be spamming his image and memeing him into an immortal internet presence as we have for Elliot Rodger, they won't ever be able to forget, and society won't be able to either, and it is at that moment that normies will truly fear us, you see if we kill them then everyone gets to move on, and the ones left alive get to have to cope of "they're in a better place", but if we rape instead of murder for ER, they don't get to move on, they don't get these BS copes to ease their pain. Women fear rape more than death, because it is a many forcefully taking the only thing from her that makes her have worth, her sexuality, now imagine an incel raped you, and having the world know about it, chad won't even be able to look at his cheerleader GF the same after she's been defiled by an incel. ITS OVER for her dream life lol.

Others in the thread suggests that this all sounds great to them, with one aiming some of his ire at the IncelTears subreddit, which is devoted to criticizing Incels on Reddit and elsewhere.

 Apr 1, 2018#14 Deep down cucktears knows that if mass ERing happens, people will be afraid of mocking subhuman males. Humans have no empathy for men. Only fear sends a message. Facecel, heightcel, dickcel, ethnicel. ​ "Women are nothing but machines for producing children." - Napoleon Bonaparte "We won't kill you. We will just shoot your vagina. If there is no vagina, you would be useless." - Rodrigo Duterte King_of_morons King_of_morons Mineta wouldn’t be hated if he were a 6’4 chad. - JoinedNov 8, 2017 Messages276 Apr 1, 2018#15 The incel uprising is nigh.

Other commenters offer their own even more horrifying ideas.

yukreic Recruit - JoinedFeb 17, 2018 Messages6 Apr 8, 2018#16 look up flamethrowers on youtube. easy to make. don't know why everyone just uses guns. not effective against crowds. SaintMarcLepine SaintMarcLepine Thot Exterminator - JoinedNov 8, 2017 Messages1,490 Apr 8, 2018#17 Someone needs to get some acid, hook it up to a sprinkler and just spray concerts, festivals etc.

Like Ub2w, BlkPillPres is especially taken with the acid-in-the-face tactic.

 BlkPillPres Veteran - JoinedFeb 28, 2018 Messages1,089 Apr 9, 2018#39 Ub2w said: Rape? What some people need is an acid bath, enough to melt their face but not kill them, basically forcing them to live as truecels There should be a middle ground, rape them then acid face attack, because I don't get any enjoyment really by just fucking their looks up. If anything now its doubly more psychologically damaging, the last person to enjoy their beauty was by force, in a way you claimed a priceless treasure for yourself, you are the last person to enjoy and ravage their beauty before it is destroyed. Think I just found my MO if I become a rapist. Its like the reverse of the JBF (Just Be First) rule, JBL (Just Be Last) kek

“Kek.”

Sadly, as someone who has been writing about incels for several years now, none of this is surprising. Disturbing, yes, but not surprising. Incel is a hate movement, and it is long past time for it to be treated as such.

NOTE: The reaction amongst Reddit incels has been more measured; I may delve into that in a future post.

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Meanwhile, I have friends who say that you need to squint eyes very hard to see thoses attacks as terrorists.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

(some other says that it’s exagerated and counter-productive to say that they are the misogyny answer to nazis. I really don’t see how.)

Gijoel
Gijoel
3 years ago

What the hell does ER mean?

Yeah, and I thought terrorism too when they started talking about incels.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
3 years ago

ER = Elliot Rodger

this is unbearable to read. who made these people into radicals? everyone always talks about who makes young Muslim men radicals, but they don’t see their neibours and friends who are incels.

Jo
Jo
3 years ago

We need to start referring to ‘the terrorist incel movement’ or at least ‘the terrorist wing of the incel movement’. Put it in front of people’s faces. We have at least one, maybe two mass killings under its name, we have online radicalisation, we have explicit declarations of terrorist intent. There is no serious argument that this isn’t terrorism.

My hope is that the deep sense of entitlement at the heart of the incel mindset means that many of them feel invulnerable and have been sloppy with their opsec. If so, there could be some police raids on those who have been posting threats.

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

Humans have no empathy for men. Only fear sends a message.

If they want to declare themselves hostis generis humani, I can’t exactly disagree with that.

Makroth - cowboy Jacobin from Hell
Makroth - cowboy Jacobin from Hell
3 years ago

What probably pisses me off most is that this will not be called terrorism if it’s confirmed that he’s an incel.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

For what it’s worth, here’s the relevant definition of terrorism as applies in Canada.

“An act committed in whole or in part for a political, religious or ideological purpose, objective or cause…with the intention of intimidating the public…with regard to its security, including its economic security, or compelling a person, a government or a domestic or an international organization to do or to refrain from doing any act.” (Statute)

Activities recognized as criminal within this context include death and bodily harm with the use of violence; endangering a person’s life; risks posed to the health and safety of the public; significant property damage; and interference or disruption of essential services, facilities or systems. (Case law)

Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
3 years ago

When we take this country back from Putin, and the Traitor McDucks, and their minions, we need to seize Palantir from Peter Thiel, nationalize it, and use it to track down every one of these vile cowards, and simply let them know that they are being watched–and will be watched, for the rest of their days. Since they are cowards, that should be enough to restrain them.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

People in Alt Reich and conservative circles are already starting to spread propaganda and saying he was a Muslim. As always, they are disgusting.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

There are times I wish we could lock incels into their own personal Matrix so they could indulge their fantasies without hurting anybody. And then I start feeling sorry for the NPOs/bots that would be the targets of incel rage.

AJ from GA
AJ from GA
3 years ago

I’m sure there are a few posts I’ve missed on this site, but I have to say this one is perhaps the most disturbing one yet. Reading this pretty much just ruined my day. These people vile and disgusting to the point where I lack the language to accurately describe my emotional reaction to reading them.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
3 years ago

How does the mass rape fantasy of these dumpster fires from the reality of women all over the world?!

But then again incels don’t believe in rape culture, I guess.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

@Ivory Bill Woodpecker : please, no dystopia even if seemingly for a good cause. I don’t think we need anything *new* to deal with thoses bozos. We just need to actually try.

A comic I love once said “beware of idealists. It’s alway the idealists that cause the most destruction”.

Starfury
Starfury
3 years ago

I think there may be other incidents that have slipped by largely unnoticed; one in Plymouth (England) springs to mind where a lad stabbed 3 women on separate occasions and left ‘manifestos’ for police stating he hated women. No-one died but I’m not sure that was why it wasn’t made more of a deal of. Society expects men to attack women for just being women, even if it doesn’t condone it.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

http://bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens

Perhaps this would serve as a palate cleanser after the article.

AJ from GA
AJ from GA
3 years ago

Troubelle, I just love little clicker games like that, and I have never seen this kitten one. Thank you!

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

If it does turn out that Minassian has no more motivation than this after a thorough police investigation, I hope that at the very least the Toronto Police Service share their findings with other law enforcement agencies as an example of how this brand of online radicalization can lead to violent acts like this.

To quote Surplus in the previous thread:

This is remarkable. The incels themselves admit that events like their van attack are terrorism, and still the MSM, law enforcement, and governments stick to the “lone wolf, mentally ill” narrative. That’s not unlike acquitting a killer who made a spontaneous confession! It proves that the refusal on the part of the above organizations to admit that this shit is terrorism is politically motivated, rather than out of ignorance. 3 minutes of research would have fixed it if it was ignorance. Any ignorance they have is motivated ignorance.

Make no mistake, the kind of people we’re talking about want the notoriety that comes with an attack of this nature, but don’t want to face the consequences of it, hence demands to be shot by police. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that the men (and it’s mostly men) that do this are the kind of invisible “faces in the crowd” kind of people, nondescript in appearance and unremarkable in achievements. Coupled with entitlement, anger at perceived slights can and has boiled over into violence.


Alexandre Bissonnette provides a stark example
:

Bissonnette didn’t want to kill just anyone, said Lamontagne. He said Bissonnette chose the mosque because “he convinced himself that if there was at least one religious extremist inside,” it would be worth it to murder people because it would save lives.

The idea was to seek vengeance from those who had persecuted him, but also to commit a “grandiose act” so no one would laugh at him after he was dead, Lamontagne added.

Emphasis mine. This might not be a coherent political motivation as most people understand terrorists to act upon, but this is certainly meant to instill fear into people for a specific ideological purpose. That’s the textbook definition of terrorism. It was just centered around one person rather than a grander cause.

Based on the definition Alan posted, I argue that these acts fit the bill.

KindaGeeky
KindaGeeky
3 years ago

Seems this would be something law enforcement should be watching…maybe they are. But, good grief, if this isn’t warning signs of very bad things happening, I don’t know what is.

Kevin
Kevin
3 years ago

@Katamount.
You’ve defined ‘the banality of evil,’ (nondescript perpetrators) and you’ve hit the nail on the head.

Cats In Shiny Hats
Cats In Shiny Hats
3 years ago

I wish, I wish, I wish that people would take these guys seriously. They need to be stopped before they kill any more people.

Anne
Anne
3 years ago

@David and any other interested party: It seems like Paul Elams page register-her is up and running again…..
Sorry, I know it’s off topic..

vox
vox
3 years ago

They talk about “scores” as if murdering people was nothing more than a video game. There’s a complaint about a lack of empathy while they themselves show none at all.

I swear to the very funny Lord that these guys think everyone is living in a porn movie except for them. Someone should tell them that those movies aren’t documentaries.

Mels
Mels
3 years ago

@Anne – ughhh, just what we need right now. If so, maybe we can target the web hosting company with complaints, the way people did with the da*ly st*rmer?

As for the article… I’m so exhausted. I hope the SPLC has a response, regardless of whether the killer himself was incel, since incels are openly making terroristic threats while praising the attack. But the SPLC only recently even bothered to create a “male supremacy” hate group category, so I’m not counting on it. I’m so tired of terrorism against women being ignored or somehow treated as less urgent than terrorism against other groups, even by ostensible allies. I expect this mess to get the same treatment.

Come on, SPLC. Prove me wrong.

Zaunfink
Zaunfink
3 years ago

Aaaand there goes my day. How do these wannabe people even live im the same World as I do. How can you live in this beautiful, flawed world with its beautiful, flawed people and be like that. What has to go wrong to for someone to go “the worst thing that can possibly happen to anyone would be not getting their dick wet, no physical or emotional pain could be bigger”?

I’m angry. I’m unbelievably disgusted and sad and angry and still. Still I would not talk to them like they talk about women. And yet in their eyes I’m wrong. I want to say “kill them all”, but echoing that thought is immediately “human beings, killing them doesn’t solve anything, hurts people, is wrong and bad and nobody deserves it”. And yet, in their narrative I’m the bad person.

Just. Just fucking grow a soul and some empathy, you stumped wannabe humans.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ Anne

Sorry, I know it’s off topic..

Personally I think it’s very on topic because it’s a perfect illustration of misogyny as ideology.

Flora
Flora
3 years ago

Facebook confirmed the screenshot was legit. Dude is an incel.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

What can we do about this? I’m tired of just complaining about the way everyone refused to label misogynistic terrorism what it is. I just sent a tweet to Ali Velshi and Stephanie Ruhle when they said on their show that we don’t know the motive. But considering I have no social media influence whatsoever, it’s not worth anything really. Anyone have any ideas?

Fruitloopsie
Fruitloopsie
3 years ago

I understand completely about everyone’s feelings here even the thoughts of killing them, me personally I wish we can just gather all incels and everyone like them to some island with no people, animals, Internet access or no way of escaping and just leave them there.

What we can do is educate people around us about misoygny as much as possible and call them out on it, sign petitions, volunteer, etc. I’m afraid I don’t know exactly what to do either except don’t give up and don’t stop talking about it.

CriticalDragon1177 (@CriticalDragon1)

Okay, its safe to say that these guys are terrorists, or at the very least terrorist enablers! Each and everyone of them ought to be ashamed at themselves.

Nequam
Nequam
3 years ago

I’m surprised Marc Lepine hasn’t been mentioned, but then I suspect these guys have very little sense of history among all their other lackings.

LOTR_Dan
3 years ago

How can that one incel call himself KiryuKazuma? That’s a fictional character who is nurturing and kind, and goes out of his way to never kill anyone when he uses violence. How could he miss the point so much?

Also, ya know, this whole thing is a tragedy and the incel movement is a terrorist ideology, but I feel like other posters have that covered.

Gijoel
Gijoel
3 years ago

@ Valentin thanks. These people are scum.

Talonknife
Talonknife
3 years ago

The part that really gets me is they’re expecting people’s friends and family to straight-up abandon them if they were disfigured, as if an attractuve appearance is all that holds together the entirety of human relationships.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
3 years ago

Okay, I’m sorry, but is there any bloody app I can use to keep my goddamned phone from being hijacked when visiting WHTM? I just installed Adblock for Android, and it did nothing. This is becoming fucking untenable.

It happens when I come here from Twitter. It happens when I come here directly. It happens multiple times in a row, using different “companies” with the givaways…Walmart, FB, YouTube, Samsung…I’m beyond tired of it at this point.

I love this site, but I can’t keep wasting a half hour at a time trying to access one post.

Help.

Starfury
Starfury
3 years ago

@Talonknife

Yeah, that was so bizarre. What an odd thing to think. The only way I can make logical sense of how anyone could think that is that they assume disfigurement turns people into a puddle of angry, bitter self-pity with no redeeming qualities and further assume that everyone who loved them would abandon them, rather than support them, when they did.

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

@Peevee
I’m currently using Brave browser on my phone until the ad situation is sorted, and it’s working very well.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
3 years ago

Tovius, thanks. I’ll give that a try.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 years ago

@Starfury:
Why not? That’s what they’d do; heck, ‘turn[ing …] into a puddle of angry, bitter self-pity’ is what they’re already doing even without an outside cause of being disfigured.

Projection, at its core, is simply the failure of imagination and the resulting assumption that everybody else is as bad as you are.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
3 years ago

Tovius, so far so good!

Starfury
Starfury
3 years ago

@jenora

Yeah, I was thinking they should try cultivating some redeeming qualities instead of projecting all the time.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

PeeVee, I don’t often browse on mobile, but when I do, whatever the site, I use Firefox for Android with the uBlock Origin add-on. No problems with WHTM.

On-topic: so very very tired with this. Was mass Internet use a ghastly mistake?

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 years ago

@Moggie:
As I’ve noted before, the internet is great at community-building. (A lot of modern fandom wouldn’t really exist without the internet.) It just isn’t particularly picky about what types of communities get built.

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

@PeeVee
Glad I could help!

Handsome :Punkle Stan: Jack

One thing I’ll never wrap my head around is how people can think and do such violent shit just because they think sex is the most important thing.

Yeah, I know it’s “attached” to “status” and entitlement and all sorts of shit but I still can’t.

Zaunfink
Zaunfink
3 years ago

One thing I’ll never wrap my head around is how people can think and do such violent shit just because they think sex is the most important thing.

Yeah, I know it’s “attached” to “status” and entitlement and all sorts of shit but I still can’t.

This. So many times this. Just…. Wtf is wrong with them?

On the topic of disfigurement: that doesn’t really surprise me at all. I mean, it’s coming from people who believe they are alone and drydicked because they’re ugly.

Literally my first thought upon seeing the driver today was “but he isn’t ugly at all, why did he think he was?”

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
3 years ago

These shits are so devoid of compassion and empathy that they fail to take in account in their filthy little rape fantasies that the Chad boyfriends of the women these turds want to violate might actually take the side of their girlfriends. Because they actually, you know, might love them. That they’d feel anguish at their loved ones’ pain. Which I’m sure incels would consider a great bonus. However, they don’t seem to take into account that pain can transmute into rage, and punitive action of some kind is likely to happen in reaction.

Whatever that action is, I’m sure they would not like the results.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
3 years ago

@Zaunfink

If they’re ugly anywhere, it’s most certainly on the inside. Plenty of plain or homely people get romance, but that’s because they don’t have suppurating boils of hatred, entitlement, and self pity for personalities.

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