By David Futrelle
The misogynistic men I write about on this blog — whether they classify themselves as perpetually dateless incels or “slayer” PUAs — are forever claiming that dating in the Western world, and in the United States in particular, is worse than ever, by which they generally mean that the women they think they’re entitled to seem to want nothing to do with them.
Women, these men complain, are too picky, too feminist, too … fat.
Not that the women they want to date are fat, they’re quick to add; it’s just that, with the allegedly undateable fat women out there effectively off the market (for these guys), the number of acceptably hot women has shrunk.
In one post on the Red Pill subreddit from a few years back that I ran across recently. a fellow called One_friendship_plz offered MATHEMATICAL PROOF of this fat-lady effect. Well, sort of.
In a post titled “Why fat women are ruining the dating scene for men, and how you should prepare for the future,” he declared:
It is high obesity rates (undateable women) and average girls overvaluing their looks causing the dating problem in the USA.
Really. that’s what’s making dating suck? Not things like, oh, this?
did something happen to men where they forgot to talk like human beings pic.twitter.com/wgMkJlQaj3
— . (@swordsjew) April 14, 2018
Apparently not.
Average girls overvalue themselves because they aren’t fat so have more men after them than what they would in a healthy-body sized country. There is basically not enough healthy-sized women to fill the rounds, and 97% of men want a healthy-sized female.
Never mind that he pulled this stat out of his ass and that most people are likely to disagree with Red Pillers as to what counts as a “healthy-sized female.”
When the obesity is closing in on half the population it is INEVITABLE that close to an equal portion of males are going to lose out on the dating game unless they resort to asian countries or they get desperate and.. shivers
I’m assuming that last bit is a reference to homosexuality? Because in addition to being wildly homophobic that’s just … not how sexuality works.
But back to the main point:
So half of all American men won’t be able to date because American women are slightly more likely to be obese than they are?
Red Pillers like to talk about obesity in America as if only women have been gaining weight. In fact, the rates of obesity aren’t radically different between adult women (41.1 percent of whom were classified as obese as of 2016) and adult men (37.9% of whom were classified as obese).
Even if we were to assume that every obese American was in fact “undateable,” which is very definitely not true, men and women would “lose out on the dating game” in similar numbers.
As long as obesity stays, even if women became less promiscuous and more loyal, the competition would still be about being a HIGH SMV [Sexual Market Value] male when there’s a huge portion of women that are undateable solely because of their uncontrollable consumption of mcdonalds.
And now it’s time for MATH:
An average girl can go up 2-3 points on her sexual value based on the percentage of obese women, and if this number keeps increasing then what you’d define to be a 5 would soon become a 7 because of its scarcity.
I would ask One_friendship_plz to show his work here, but obviously he has done none.
Ugly will become average, and average will become hot. and anything that would be hot would become a unicorn (even if it has a shitload of flaws, betas would be in denial.)
Says a dude in desperate denial of his own manifold flaws, most prominent among them the fact that he posts crap like this on Reddit.
Do not ever stop improving your value men, the game will possibly get harder in the future based on how much feminism spreads to the point six figures might not be enough for a decent looking chick in America.
Well, no, not if you’re a Red Pill shithead that rejects close to half of all women as “undateable” based on their weight and calls the few that meet the standards of your boner “decent looking chicks.”
As for me, I will continue fatting, and dating, as usual.
I would just like to point out that the happy couple David chose to illustrate the article both have pink tipped noses. And the woman had rosy cheeks and a smooth (slippery) forehead too!
Clearly two happy ace virgins, who couldn’t give a toss about each other’s sizes. Yay!
I’m old and trying to lose weight due to health issues – sky high bp without meds. Oh, and cutting salt is really hard in the U.S. Look at sodium content on labels. When I was young, I imagined being old or invisible so scum would stop chatting me up or commenting on my body in a proprietary fashion. I mean starting from 14. I suspect these guys were the precursors to red pillers or puas. I wish my bp was good because otherwise I’m content being older and bigger!
Is it just me or are these saucy postcards adorable?
For some reason the phrase ‘healthy-size female’ reminds me of ‘fun-size candy bar’.
That article title sounds vaguely prepper. “Get off the grid and learn the bitterness techniques of your incel forefathers!”
Graham’s number wouldn’t be enough for a “decent looking chick” to waste even one second on this idiocy.
@Podkayne – Ha! “Fun size” candy bars really aren’t more fun though 🙁
97% of men ain’t even straight, asshat. Beyond that, according to a survey from the University of Iowa in 2008 (research!) neither attractiveness nor health rank in the top 5 of attributes men want in a wife (health went down as a desirable trait in the rankings from earlier surveys decades ago in fact). And beyond that, quit tryna make “healthy sized” a thing, it’s not a thing
When I was young and single, I was thin and my best friend fat. We both slept around quite a lot! Although come to think of it, that probably means we both had low SMV, because sluts.
Hm. If you’re convinced no one wants to sleep with fat women AND you’re obsessed with virginity – wouldn’t hitting on fat chicks be a good strategy?
Since you’re treating women as things, why not get a 5 now, keep it in its wrapper, then sell it when it reaches 7? You’ve made a profit of 2!
Funny how he’s prefacing this whole screed with the classical “I love my mother, she made me who I am!”, then proceeds to demonstrate how it apparently didn’t give him the self-insight and empathy nescessary to form meaningful social or romantic relationships.
He’d be appalled if he found out his mother is probably a whole person, with flaws and wants and all. It’s also a little Bates-y, though I don’t seem to recall him mentioning a motel…
Also, remarkably poignant response in the thread, the Redditors are taking him down for not adhering to the assignment and for being an incoherent, rambling edgelord. Funny, that.
@Buttercup Q Skullpants
The candy companies sit on a throne of dirty lies for creating that term. Fun size more like Dumb size.
For your amusement or horror here’s a similar conversation I had with a Red Piller (why haven’t the Wachowski Sisters sued with this?)
Him: I bet you never get laid or dates you manatee
Me: I have several times but whatever you want to believe
Him: “I mean Would you date a fatty?”
Me: “Yes I generally don’t have a body preference”
Him: “LIES! YOUR JUST A DESPERATE FAT COW! OINK OINK BITCH”
He blocked me before I got to point out the Cow goes Moo while it’s Pig that oink. Basic Animal sounds you know? ?
I used to be fat and I married a thin guy. Now he is fatter and I am thinner. We rubbed off on each other.
Huh, is almost like the “sexual marketplace” is actually a thing, where these guys have an unrealistic idea of their own value, desirability and buying power. Sorry guys, real markets don’t exist to give you exactly what you want at the prices you’re willing to pay, and it turns out that even the imaginary markets in your head follow the same rules.
Citation very, very much needed for that claim. He took one hell of a lot of delight in describing the looks of people and his evil characters were usually depicted as unattractive. He had a compulsive hatred of fat people and especially of women. Holy Cocksucking Christ did he hate women.
Have a look at the first few seasons of Tales of the Unexpected on Youtube. His creepy introductions to those stories will tell you all you really need to know about the man. He clearly despised women and felt that they existed only for his own use and abuse. Almost all those stories were about how evil women are unless they comport themselves according to his personal – and horribly creepy – requirements.
And he was abusive to his wife, in public. I find it hard to believe he was an angel in private.
Back on topic: I’m a fat, unattractive male with an obviously repellent personality as you can clearly tell. But even I haven’t ever had much difficulty doing things like being very happily married for 20 years.
Hello.
Wow, i never knew that women lived in a RPG universe…
Men too !? Where are my stats ?!
Ah, ok, it is a Pokémon universe, where women can evolve in unicorns. And probably ponies.
So, his mathematic model is the game theory ! (/sarcasm, obviously)
Have a nice day.
@lkeke35
Welcome back! I was wondering just last week that it was a pity that you hadn’t been around in some time.
@occasional reader
Can I evolve into Charizard in this life RPG?
Or would I be a snorlax since I’m fat or whatever?
Either way I’ll be an asset in battles
I think, this is the one single thing that is really awesome about being fat: It is natural filter for that kind of scum.
I always wonder about the central hole in their logic. e.g.
“even if women became less promiscuous and more loyal”
The redpillers and incels complain that they can’t get sex… since women are busy having sex with other men… Doesn’t it follow that in their fantasy world where women are super loyal/choosy, the average Redpiller even less able to ever get a date?
So magic wand to that reality… now every post in r/bittermen would be about how women won’t date anyone less than a 9? At least we could be sure all the fault would still be apportioned to women.
@Buttercup Q. Skullpants
They are so much more fun! Easy to freeze and pop into your mouth whole. (Otherwise you have to slice a full-size bar and wrap the pieces.)
@latsot
Probably a reference to this.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU0haXJWcAIiGLw.jpg
Still problematic for various reasons, but was at least heading in the right direction unlike a lot of other stuff he said and did.
(also, I’m not totally certain that he was totally misogynistic, or at least wasn’t always that way. I always liked reading Matilda when I was young, which whilst it did feature a big evil woman, did also have a girl as the central charater and a non-evil woman as the main supporting character. Maybe I should revisit it and see how well it has ages for me :-/ )
Can we not use “cocksucking” as a term of disparagement? Oral sex shouldn’t be shameful, regardless of which end you’re on. Thanks.
Dahl was an ‘interesting’ character to say the least.
He was an open Nazi sympathiser; but during WW2 he did his bit for queen and country as first a fighter pilot but then, after injuries from a crash, working for British Security Co-ordination. That was the intellligence group, which included Ian Fleming; that was set up to carry out covert activities to persuade the US to join in the war. After Pearl Harbour of course that became a non-issue. The group continued though, with the remit to undermine remaining US isolationist sentiment. Dahl worked as a covert operative making friends with, and spying on, various influential figures in the US. Apparently he got on very well with Eleanor Roosevelt.
I’m not fat – actually mostly I am too skinny and wish to gain some weight but my girlfriend is little bit fat and she is more healthy than me. she runs faster and for longer, she can do more press-up and sit-ups. plus i like how she looks. I think it is not really easy to say if someone is healthy or unhealthy just from if they have plenty fat or no fat. I know people will think I am more healthy because I am skinny – but they will be wrong.
anyway if these men don’t like women for so many reasons – then good! hopefully they will never date any one and be loney.
Thanks, Pie – that was indeed the page I was thinking of.
@ Axe:
I’m envisioning an “extra” on dating sites, after you fill out your profile, a message box pops up asking “Would you like to ‘healthy-size’ your profile?”
@ Olive O’Sudden:
… and shatter my high-dollar dental work…? nah
I feel like this is as good a topic as any to plug my new favorite podcast, which has just started and released its second episode earlier today: The Naked Podcast. It’s basically two British (specifically, Yorkshire) radio journalists talking about their own and their guests’ bodies, whilst being naked. The first episode (link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p064cz8s) is just the two of them getting comfortable just being around each other naked (they had never seen each other naked before). The second episode (link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p064gw4y) is the first one with a guest. They delve into female body image and the pressures regarding female bodies in this day and age. It’s a great podcast and while some themes can be serious, there’s a whole lot of fun banter as well (my personal favorite: “OMG! You’ve got a nipple piercing!”).