By David Futrelle
Guys who define themselves as “involuntarily celibate” spend rather a lot of their time trying to figure out how to make women as miserable as they are.
And so you find incels regularly advising their celibate colleagues to pointedly ignore all the attractive women in their vicinity. “If u even ACKNOWLEDGE femoids in public ur a bluepilled cuck,” one commenter on Incels.me recently declared. “Dont give them even the slightest validation, ignore them like nature intended us to.”
Most of his fellow incels agreed. “Yup,” wrote one. “Hurts their ego if nobody looks at them.”
“Giving females attention only benefits them, and not you, so I don’t see why you should,” another agreed.
But one commenter had what he thought was a better idea: Don’t ignore these women. Ask them out! They won’t say yes, obviously. but they might start to worry that they’re as ugly as you are!
CHECKMATE, FEMOIDS!
Incel is weaponized self-hatred.
I was hoping misogynistguy would at least wait until page 2 before stinking up the place. Oh well, I suppose this was inevitable.
I would like to second the call for the banhammer.
Like if I was trying to be part of a community and 90% of the commentariat disliked me and told me to leave, then I would fucking leave. Only a TROLL would stay.
The way he pretends we dont like him and push him away is creepy boundary pushing shit.
Yeah, declaring that a violation of your stated boundary is not a boundary violation and then showing up in a different thread playing innocent is textbook manipulative asshattery.
When guys ask me out I just tell them I’m married to the scary looking guy with the beard and dark glasses (he actually has a very feminine face under the bush and suffers from light sensitivity but they don’t know that).
@Kupo & Jesalin
<3 Love to both of you. But that's kind of my point. Incels think they're ugly though they're not, I think I'm ugly though I'm not. But it's only incels who take their self-loathing, use it to destroy their interpersonal connections, and then blame others for it.
Not my place to add to the banhammer call.
However, I will say his actions have lead me to lose any minimal tolerance. Consider him trollish in behaviour and pretty much unteachable – not that anyone is obligated to try in the first place.
Going back to ignoring him now.
When someone asks me out it totally makes my day. It doesn’t matter what they look like or whether I’m interested in them or not.
It makes me feel all like “Violet, she’s so hot right now.”
I always ask out people I’m interested in (if they aren’t in a relationship, or not interested in talking, or a stranger on a train or something) mostly because I want to share that feeling! Yo you can make everyone feel good about themselves!
Yes, incels, ask women out! They won’t go out with you, but they will go home feeling happy that someone fancied them while you crawl back to your internet hate-space defeated!
Look at these ugly people never finding love, etc! Biotroof!
http://www.ghafla.com/ugliest-man-in-africa-welcomes-baby-no-8-photosvideo/
Skip to 2:39
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PWD12X0FfvU
But what if she says yes? Would he consider this a good or a bad thing?
Love comes in more than the romantic form, incels can find love, never said they cant
I would be fine with a banhammer, mostly because he’s boring now. He hasn’t set off a genuine takedown from WWTH, Scildfreja, Alan, or Dvärghundspossen in days, so what’s the point of keeping him around?
(To all the others who also do magnificent takedowns, I love you too.)
Adding my vote for the banhammer. I’m really tired of the way he tries to make every thread about himself, and I’m getting more than a whiff of seagull.
@feministguy
You can’t find love when you’re so full of hate. They hate women, there’s no way around it, their massive unfulfilled sense of entitlement has turned into bile in their brains. The “incel” community is one built upon reveling in bitterness and wallowing in misery, so until they leave their little garbage society and gain a sense of humility and responsibility for their failures, they will never find love or be happy.
Agree with Dr Thang
Violet
What you are saying with regards to incels should ask women out sounds good on paper/text. But constant rejection will have a negative impact on their self esteem, so I dont reccommend they ask women out. They need to realise women make up half the population, there is an increasing number of women working in different sectors of jobs, so to have a successful career, they need to be able to respect women and be able to work with them
But incels shouldnt feel that they need to have any romantic success to live a happy fullfilling life. Intimacy/dating isnt the be all and end all of life
Feministguy
The only reason women don’t want anything to do with you is you’re waving more red flags than those Russian guys who captured the Reichstag.
(Not as good as Nicolaluna’s I know)
@Alan
I have women colleagues and women family members and we got along with fine. Most the people close to me are comfortable with me going without intimacy and going my own way (not fucking MGTOW – I mean living my life differently to others without being a bitter little shit about it)
@feministguy
We’re still waiting for evidence of the “not being a bitter little shit” part.
Yeah, some of my best friends are black too.
But I seriously recommend any female friends you may have invest in a copy of Gavin DeBecker.
Cool. So hateful men shouldn’t have to treat women respectfully because, you know, we’re PEOPLE and innately deserving of basic respect, but because if they don’t, then it might be harder for them to have successful careers. Good to know your priorities.
And the funny thing is, men like this legit don’t think the women in their orbit know what they’re like. I can guarantee his female colleagues are creeped out by him and are just bare minimum nice and friendly to be professional and avoid conflict.
Don’t be silly, Catalpa
Respect is earn.
How does one recover from or get out of an incel-like mindset?
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Not really. Why would they be creeped out? We have each others backs and know each others boundaries.
Rabid Rabbit
Theres no evidence that I am bitter. I wish all women the best of luck and I dont believe I am entitled to anything. My words have been twisted on here.
Why can’t you be entertaining like you were when you were Mrs Chad Skyboom Rooster?
https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/05/the-mgtows-were-nestled-all-snug-in-their-beds-while-visions-of-sexbots-danced-in-their-heads/comment-page-3/#comment-968729
Remember when you said that lesbians are cishet? Now that was fun.
I propose emailing david in the morning calling for feministguy ban time. No sense in sending david an email this late at night for a tedious lying troll unless one of yall beat me to it.
So feministguy, seeya! And YOU creep me out. Your behaviour is fucking rapetastic.
Edit: new evidence. Emailing david again.
QFT
I love that book. I’ve bought copies of it for friends.
Instead of making this thread about unfeministguy, can we talk about non conventionally attractive people who we have a thing for?
For me it’s Mhairi Black (the SNP politician) because watching her speeches in the house of commons leaves me in awe of her. Jeremy Corbyn for similar reasons.
I used to have a thing for Dana Carvey. I like little guys. Hal Sparks, Adam Scott, and Damon Albarn are maybe too handsome to be considered not conventionally attractive? But a big part of why I like them is that they have a smallness about them that I’m into. Carvey is for sure not a hottie by most standards though. Feeeemaaaales are supposed to only like big tall burly guys, so maybe that counts.
Oh yeah I always liked small skater looking boys when I was younger. The artsy-or the better.
“And YOU creep me out. Your behaviour is fucking rapetastic.”
What?? Rape?? Where did I even remotely mention that rape was OK? I think rape is disgusting. What the fuck?
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/23200000/angel-and-cordelia-season-2-gif-angel-23235003-300-234.gif
Ok am I the weird one here because I can’t see what Feministguy does that’s so horrible? Did I miss some crucial stuff he wrote? All I see are people piling on him while he seems to be trying to stay inoffensive?
Speaking of attractiveness, I’d just like to stick this here.
Now I hear you say “But Al, she’s conventionally attractive”, and I would agree; I’d love to meet her. Unfortunately she died about 22,000 years ago. She was a neanderthal, and that’s a reconstruction of her skull with a modern haircut and a bit of lippy.
And this chap was the original neanderthal, the one Boulle described as ugly and brutish (we now know he had an arthritic spine and rickets). From this picture I can only assume neanderthals died out waiting for Windows 10 to update.
Dvärghundspossen:
I haven’t followed that closely either, but seems that Feministguy has been mildly-but-persistently annoying in a way that gives off a trollish vibe. Especially in recent threads it’s been quite subtle, like he’s taking care to not get banned in a strongly moderated environment, despite his extensive refusal to accept criticism. Even when he says something agreeable and on-topic, it tends to be generic platitudes that come off like a cover for his sealioning.
It’s almost like we’re training a repeatedly banned veteran troll to build a credible feminist commenter persona, to the point that he eventually stops being a troll.
Ok
Alan:
Well, apparently her remains weren’t undateable.
@ lumipuna
As the cool kids would say ‘Have an Internet’. 🙂
Alan, what’s the status of forensic facial reconstruction in English law? I know that such reconstructions are not legally admissible as evidence in US law, because it’s as much art as science and different practitioners tend to produce different results.
In the case of modern humans, we know a lot about the musculature and fatty tissue to be expected, and yet there’s still that variation in the results. In the case of Neanderthals, presumably we’re mostly relying on speculation about that?
Here’s a paper, “Forensic Facial Reconstruction under Test”, by a forensic anthropologist, which talks about the subjectivity involved, albeit with students.
Reconstructions of Neanderthals are fascinating, but I do wonder whether a real Neanderthal would look at our results and say “what the fuck? How rude!”
@Dvärghundspossen
Ooh, I’ve got one! He said my lived experiences were.. wrong, I guess, or a lie (his words were ‘It’s garbage’) and that I (he used the phrase ‘you women’, lol) had been brainwashed by evil men into denying my true nature.
Everyone gave him enough chances but he wouldn’t even acknowledge their comments half the time, let alone address them, and repeatedly insisted women are ‘shallow’* (but it is okay and natural to be shallow) despite being told it isn’t true and to stop. Oh, and he keeps talking about his sex life when he has been asked to stop bringing up his boner by WWTH a bajillion times.
*I’m using ‘shallow’ as shorthand for ‘needs conventional good-looks in a partner’
Back to fun topics. Unconventionally-attractive people we have a thing for (though platonic, I want in on this so I can gush) I love Mhari Black too, she is so passionate and strong.. and genuinely cares. Charlie Brooker and David Mitchell are both great; so enjoyable to watch speak. I want to say Richard Ayoade but we all know he is blatantly a HB10. Gwendoline Christie as Brienne of Tarth, oh god how I love her. But that might just be envy; I wish I was a tank.
I want to ask as regards David Tennent, though, is he actually conventionally attractive? Same with Benedict Cumberbatch?
Starfury, I find it hard to judge guys, but I think most people would say that David Tennant is conventionally attractive, particularly when he smiles.
@NicolaLuna
There aren’t many unattractive people in the public eye I have/had a thing for (not famous people though, plenty.)
However I had a huge massive crush on the rapper Fat Joe back in the day. No idea why.
@Dvärghundspossen
I can’t see anything either BUT I don’t spend lots of times in the comments so maybe he has been truly objectionable across multiple threads.
@Starfury
“Everyone gave him enough chances but he wouldn’t even acknowledge their comments half the time, let alone address them, and repeatedly insisted women are ‘shallow’* (but it is okay and natural to be shallow) despite being told it isn’t true and to stop. Oh, and he keeps talking about his sex life when he has been asked to stop bringing up his boner by WWTH a bajillion times.”
Ok he sounds like a massive troll and far from being a ‘feministguy’.
Oh and Benedict Cumberbatch is definitely conventionally attractive and I think he is gorgeous too.
Ooh thanks for that Moggie; it was an interesting read.
I couldn’t think of any examples of facial reconstruction being used as evidence in a trial here; and Google doesn’t bring up any examples either. What I have seen happen is they’ve used facial reconstruction in missing person cases, and then once they have a possible ID, they confirm that with familial DNA, dental records, earlier x-rays etc. I have to say, the reconstructions do turn out to be remarkably accurate (although things like hairstyle, skin tone, eye colour etc make a big difference).
I suspect the Neanderthal reconstructions are a similarly accurate. We’ve gone from seperate species, to sub-species already; and I have no doubt as we learn yet more about Neanderthal anatomy and culture, even that distinction will vanish. They’re just people like the rest of us.
Animal reconstructions might be another matter though. Have you seen where they’ve applied the techniques they use on extinct animals to modern animals? The results are, well let’s say, surprising.
@moggie @steph
Thank you for the clarification on Benedict Cumberbatch and David Tennent.
I’m terrible at gauging these things so often try to step back and go by whether they conform to the ‘golden ratio’ (which I won’t be upset to be told is just pseudoscience bullshit) and that basically eliminates everyone from the ‘good-looking’ category if one is being ‘black and white’ about it.
@feministguy
I’m not really interested in how rejection makes incels feel, tbh. Rejection is part of life for everyone. You just have to take it on the chin….what’s the alternative? I mean, it’s not like you can spend the rest of your life safely whining about how UNFAIR it is on the internet instead of taking risks and confronting your issues….oh wait
The only place incels face “constant rejection” is in their own heads. I’d bet my entire year’s salary all of them could get a date, if they were willing to get therapy, deal with their shit and actually risk trying to connect with women emotionally.
But it’s easier for them to keep their heads up their own asses, because that way they can blame feminists, society, Stacey, Chad, and the One-Armed Man for their own failures, right?
@Dvärghundspossen and Steph
See page 3 of the comments in the Does giving a woman an orgasm make you a cuck, men who never have sex wonder post for a shining example of why folks here are pretty much done with “feminist”guy…
Or pretty much the entire thread on MGTOWs and Gandhi where we repeatedly explain to him the problem with saying that some guys are just too ugly to ever date or sex. He has a habit of asking questions and then entirely ignoring the answers and restating his original statements instead.
My trolldar was always going off with him, but when I asked him to stop asking us the same questions in multiple different threads, told him that ignoring the answers we took the time to write out was disrespectful and if he cares about respecting women and our boundaries, he’ll heed this request, and he told me that I couldn’t have boundaries that don’t involve sex, that was certainly the last straw for me.
This.
I normally try to avoid “it’s just the way life is” arguments, because they’re often made in bad faith, but in this case it’s completely true.
Rejection is always acceptable. “No” is always a complete sentence. If someone can’t accept that, that’d a problem with them, not with anyone else.