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Straight men! Destroy the sexual power of women by having sex with each other, Reddit MRA suggests

Women, defeated at last!

By David Futrelle

In the Men’s Rights subreddit, the regulars only discuss the most important issues affecting men. Prostate cancer. Circumcision. When scientists will get around to developing some new technology that will render women obsolete — or that will at the very least make women feel really bad about themselves.

In one (sort of) recent discussion of the Obsolete Women Question on r/mensrights, one gay MRA called Eryemil, a real out-of-the-box thinker, suggests that it won’t take anything as fancy as a sexbots or artificial wombs to make women unnecessary. All that straight MRAs really need to do is to start having sex, not with women, but with each other. 

There’s just one little roadblock: straight men generally don’t want to have sex with each other. But maybe science will find an answer!

All we have to do to completely take away women’s social power over men is to discover a means to allow men the choice to become bisexual.

Like, I guess, a Gay Pill, or some sort of Gayifying Machine?

At the moment women couldn’t hope to compete with men in terms of sexual desire and common interests; the only thing that gives them so much power is that straight men have no other choice.

Actually, there are lots of men who think of themselves as straight who have sex with men. But never mind.

The most beautiful thing about this is that I don’t think this would work in reverse (making women bisexual, if they aren’t already) because of women’s evolutionary derived meta values i.e. hypergamy.

So a Gayifying Machine won’t work on women because they love sweet, sweet man cash too much — and their fellow women don’t have enough bucks to make them worthwhile hosts to latch onto? Well, at least this is an acknowledgement that men tend to make a lot more money than women.

Even if only a minority decides to go through with it, it will leave heterosexual males with an elevated sexual market value by virtue of their relative scarcity. You’d have a society of hetero men with harems of women eager to please him (and probably making all the babies) and a bunch of bros hanging out with their buddies playing video games and sucking each other off.

Damn. If scientists can pull this off — er, maybe that’s not the ideal phrase to use in this context — it sounds like women are DOOOMED.

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Jaygee
Jaygee
3 years ago

That poses an interesting conundrum, given that these guys’ sexuality seems to be so tied up in scorekeeping and abuse. Will they turn on each other?

I read that last sentence differently than others did. With the talk of MGTOWs boning each other, I took “turn on each other” to mean “arouse” rather than “betray.” I thought it was an amusing misreading you all might enjoy.

Neurite
Neurite
3 years ago

@TreePerson:

There are shades of “peak oil” in the TERF/”gender-critical” buzzphrase “peak trans.”

From what I can tell from my ventures into TERFy blogs and suchlike (before reaching for the mind bleach), the idea is that people hit “peak trans” when encountering some supposedly especially egregious example of The Nefariousness/Obnoxiousness/SpecialSnowflakiness/WhateverElseTheyAccuse TransPeopleOfBeingness of trans people, whereupon their eyes are opened to the true awfulness of trans people and the notion of rights for them, and/or their last patience with trans people and their audacity to exist runs out.

So, an example usage might be “yesterday I hit peak trans when someone told me they actually identify as both genders – can you imagine?!” or “politicians pushing these bathroom rights on schools will lead to many more people hitting peak trans and joining our side.”

Of course, this use relies on gross misunderstandings of both transness and the term “peak oil,” but then whaddaya expect. Ugh.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

@Surplus and Opposablethumbs:

Long before they can look forward to that, they should fear technology making men unnecessary. All it takes is a reliable way to turn eggs (or stem cells or whatever) into sperm

I seem to remember a discussion suggesting that we’re well on the way towards this already in terms of scientific development? (I could have sworn I saw something about this in the news or maybe even here, a few weeks/maybe a couple of months ago.)

Some time ago I mentioned that a group of scientists managed to create a mouse that had two biological mums. They took the core of one egg and inserted it into another egg and made a mouse baby that way. Although they tried it hundreds of time to get one single success. So seems like we’re a really long way off from being able to do it reliably, but it has been done.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

Also, I’ll bite at Feministguy’s question.

I think sexual orientation depends both on genes and the environment. Why? Well, pretty much everything does. This does not mean that you can prevent people from becoming gay by having laws and a moral system that forbids it, that much is very obvious. And it doesn’t mean that you could change someone’s orientation through therapy either. Like, we know that height depends on both genes and environment, but that doesn’t imply that you, to any extent at all, choose how tall you want to be, or can affect your height through therapy.

The whole thing is probably super complicated… We know of cultures, like ancient Greece, where men having sex with other men was the norm, and we have no sources telling us that most men doing this disliked it or had to force themselves to do it because they were actually straight. So it doesn’t seem like a majority of humans are genetically hardwired into being straight and straight only. But we also know that you can’t make gay and bi people disappear by forbidding sex with the same gender.

Besides that I’d say we really don’t know much at all… But it’s a fair guess that genes and environment both play some kind of part in it.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Dvärghundspossen

The whole thing is probably super complicated…

… that much is certain!

way off topic… interesting piece from Slate about white supremacists

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/our-failure-to-understand-white-power-as-a-broader-social-movement-has-prevented-us-from-combating-it.html

Thinking of people as people with an ideology, even if it’s something we don’t agree with, changes the way that we think about opposition. It discredits the idea of lone wolf operatives or single incidents with mad gunmen and calls on us to try to understand people’s own stated motivation, and to find the connections when they exist between different actions and between different groups.

(emphasis mine)

Jules
Jules
3 years ago

This is an example of “so old it’s new again.” I recall a misogynistic samurai from like the 1600s or so who said something similar – women are terrible and shallow and their love inferior to men’s, so men should just be with other men.

Why is it everytime they talk about bi women though they assume in a way it’s a phase.

Because of course they do. Bi people don’t exist, silly! /s

Zenobia Augusta
Zenobia Augusta
3 years ago

This idea is rooted in such textbook bi-phobia.

Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
Lumipuna (nee Arctic Ape)
3 years ago

Dvärghundspossen:

Like, we know that height depends on both genes and environment, but that doesn’t imply that you, to any extent at all, choose how tall you want to be, or can affect your height through therapy.

From Wikipedia:

In Greek mythology, Procrustes (Προκρούστης Prokroustes) or “the stretcher [who hammers out the metal]”, also known as Prokoptas or Damastes (Δαμαστής, “subduer”), was a rogue smith and bandit from Attica who attacked people by stretching them or cutting off their legs, so as to force them to fit the size of an iron bed.

The word “Procrustean” is thus used to describe situations where different lengths or sizes or properties are fitted to an arbitrary standard.

Perfect analogy for sexual conversion therapy!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I have a rear end like a luscious bedsheet and he lusted to correct myself.

Oh, no. You attract mansplainers!

Blue Rizla Girl
3 years ago

I’m really not feeling particularly well today. Slow head-shaking is about as much physical effort as I can manage.

Needless to say, this story absolutely fits my mood …..

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

I’ve called on journalists/sociologists to take a crack at 4chan as a social phenomenon, but I think the concept of “hypergamy” as bandied about by these dipshits is worth a look as well. Because I’d really like to know where it originates.

I mean, the trope of “gold digger”–terrible as it is–at least has one or two prominent examples in modern-day pop culture (Anna Nicole Smith leaping to mind), but given both the historical background of women being almost traded between wealthy families for financial reasons, plus the lack of social mobility for women in poverty didn’t give women much choice in these matters.

But really, outside of the true crime documentaries I watch (which basically profile people who will marry into wealth and bump off their spouses their spouses for financial gain regardless of gender), does this actually exist outside of a handful of crappy works of fiction? Because it strikes me as a reassuring fiction these people tell themselves to spare their egos from realizing they’re actually toxic in relationships (as many of their tropes seem to be).

@Weird Eddie

Interesting article, but I think the format didn’t give it room to really open up. I didn’t get much from it that I didn’t know already from my knowledge of that era; I’m still convinced that the term “stochastic terrorism” needs to be used more prominently in the zeitgeist when talking about these acts of terror committed by erstwhile “lone wolf” shooters.

I was watching Kevin Logan’s YouTube stream last night where he did a game of “Who said this: Anders Breivik or a YouTube anti-feminist?” inspired by Dick Coughlan reviewing the mass murderer’s manifesto and it really is remarkable just how much of the same language overlaps. “Feminized men.” “Cultural Marxism.” “Islam is the greatest threat to the West.” And while the overt text is that a guy like Carl Benjamin or Jordan Peterson use the same language and disturbingly share similar opinions, the subtext is that Breivik’s actions are the logical conclusion of a threat built up this big.

After all, if you were a disaffected suburban white guy and streaming these guys for hours on end hearing how Islam and feminism are out to radically change the world and destroy everything you hold dear, dear heavens they must be stopped before we all become slaves without video games or freedom of speech!!!… click the Subscribe button below and have you considered donating on Patreon? *wink* Well, there’s going to be a segment of extremists that find the lack of urgency in the action items to be incongruous and they will decide that violence is the way to go.

I realize it’s grim to ponder, but it’s important to remember that Breivik didn’t blow up a mosque or a minority neighbourhood in Oslo. He struck not only at the government he believed was ushering in this dystopian hellscape of tolerance and mutual respect, but also deliberately targeted youth activists at a Labor Party summer camp. These were Norway’s next generation of “SJWs” to use their parlance: feminists, community organizers, outreach activists, left of centre politicians, and he made sure that the ones that weren’t killed outright were traumatized sufficiently as not to pursue those ends. In this mind, they were an existential threat, a threat that is only echoed by the current crop of YouTube dipshits to this day.

And it just takes one to doff the suburban comforts and decide that violence is the only way.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
3 years ago

Well, basing it on my nym, I got

“She had knockers like a shiny lemon and I shuddered to mansplain to her.”

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Katamount:

https://www.amazon.com/Bring-War-Home-Movement-Paramilitary/dp/0674286073/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523547594&sr=8-1&keywords=Bring+the+War+Home%3A+The+White+Power+Movement+and+Paramilitary+America

(wow, that’s a long one…)

Kathleen Belew’s book (hopefully) offers more in-depth analysis. It’s next on my Kindle Download.

flexitarian haruspex
flexitarian haruspex
3 years ago

This idea of ‘girls are evil/gross, just bang dudes’ has been around forever. I forget which Greek – or maybe Roman, or maybe both – philosopher/historian had the same idea, and there was the Japanese dude someone else mentioned. It didn’t work then, and it wouldn’t work now, even if there are any straight guys willing to attempt it.

I always thought it was weird when feminists of yore began touting political lesbianism as well. I get that there are different circumstances around the idea of political lesbianism, but… seriously? If a straight woman doesn’t want to get busy with dudes because of her personal views, that’s fine. I just don’t get why she’d have to force herself to be a lesbian rather than invest in a vibrator.

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

As a heterosexual-identifying man, I feel that a lot of my heterosexuality is cultural rather than inherent; informed by either the culture that I grew up in and the way I saw adults interact while I was a child, or by the culture in which I now live.

I agree with some earlier commentators that porn also had something to do with it: I didn’t get a lot of sex ed and what I did get wasn’t exactly progressive, so porn ended up influencing me.

I can well believe that a person who grew up in a different environment would have a very different view of not only what their sexuality was, but what sexuality itself is.

tuputamulder
3 years ago

Wow a MR post with all 3 karma points!

You are a master detective and bring us only the finest points discussed there

Good job!

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

re: male novelist generator (which, I know, isn’t meant for me to use, but hey, what’s cultural appropriation FOR, anyway?!?)

I do have tresses like a shiny melon which I did not care to emotionally manipulate….

I’ll see myself to the door….

Kidvelociraptor
3 years ago

Katamount: David actually wrote a blog post several years ago about how the modern MRA misunderstanding/revision of “hypergamy” seems to have originated from the writings of the white nationalist Roger Devlin:

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/

Katamount
Katamount
3 years ago

@KidVelociraptor

Thanks! That one passed me by! 🙂

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Eugh, this is the worst superpower. Yes I know how to loop YouTube videos. Stop trying to convince me that my Chinese heritage has the best pharmaceuticals.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Re: male novelist generator:

Mine comes out like an MRA insult. 😛

a rear end silken princess planned hire

Arsehole, entitled, and affirmative action all in one. 😛

Hambeast
Hambeast
3 years ago

I had knockers like wrinkled tulips and he dreaded to admire me!

“Feminist” guy said

Just out of curiosity, do you people think sexuality is something you are born with or environmental?

Just out of curiosity, why do you think it matters?

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@Kidvelociraptor

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/05/16/hypergamy-how-the-harebrained-notion-of-white-nationalist-f-roger-devlin-took-the-manosphere-by-storm/

In the Ecclesiazusae of Aristophanes the women of Athens stage a coup d’état. They occupy the legislative assembly and barricade their husbands out. Then they proceed to enact a law by which the most attractive males of the city will be compelled to mate with each female in turn, beginning with the least attractive. That is the female sexual utopia in power.

Projection. The above is exactly what incels advocate, except with the sexes reversed.

Blerkathon
Blerkathon
3 years ago

OT:

I had to look up terf, and then clicked feminist and look what I found:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Feminist

I’m… … speechless on how bad some of the lies are written. Improper grammar and examples. It’s horrendous.

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

All I can think of is the South Park episode where they solved future overpopulation/environmental destruction* by all the men getting in a big pile of an orgy to reduce future population.

*A time machine was invented in the future and future people were coming back in time to work for scraps that with compound interest would then provide for their families back in the future. “They took our Jerbs!” and such.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

@ Blerkathon;

UrbanDictionary is a fratboy interpretation of culture

Button
Button
3 years ago

I wish I could share my real name’s novelist description. It is exceptional.

My nym’s description, however, is that I have a bust like a soft waterfall, and he ached to mansplain to me. Which sounds… exceptionally saggy, I’m not going to lie.

Blerkathon
Blerkathon
3 years ago

@Weird Eddie

So it seems… a shame. The concept was good from the start.

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
3 years ago

@Jules

Why is it everytime they talk about bi women though they assume in a way it’s a phase.

Because of course they do. Bi people don’t exist, silly! /s

Unless they’re sufficiently hot women doing it with each other so a guy can either jerk his gherkin to it or have a threesome. That certainly seems to exist.

*is feeling snarky*

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

If I were such a male novelist, I would write, “She had a bust like a juicy bedsheet and I expected to ravish her.” Not a particularly nice sentence, but who can pass up a juicy bedsheet?

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
3 years ago

It boggles the mind with mras/mgtow or whatever. I swear they get all their info on sexual orientations from cheap pornos and 20s to 50s era refeer madness type moral panic propaganda shockers. I’d suggest to them they do research but I know they’d go for avfm or reddit for info as they’re getting rejected by disgusted men and not just disgusted women

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

I described the level of tried I was often on the sub as “Think of the most attractive (person) you can think of, laid out naked on a bed…. The bed is the most appealing thing in that image.”

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

I god: “she had a butt like a wrinkled princess and he thisted to ignore her”

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

@tuputamulder, we laugh at funny nonsense here, and the MRA community is a never-ending comedy-horror show.

If you’re looking for well-cited arguments and positions to reinforce why this mockery is warranted, we would be happy to provide!

CNS
CNS
3 years ago

Just out of curiosity, do you people think sexuality is something you are born with or environmental?

Seconding Dvärghundspossen’s post.

If by something you are born with, you mean your genetics, the question is deeply flawed.

behavioral genetics says genes interact with our environment to produce behavior (which interacts with our environment which interacts with our genes).

If this is something you are genuinely curious about, I would throw that false dichotomy straight out the window and start over.

Paradoxical Intention: Resident Cheeseburger Slut

@WWTH: “She had boobs like a expensive tulip, and I hankered

My name is actually too short for this, BOOOOOOOO.

On topic: It never fails to amuse me how queer people never fucking exist outside porn, even for the gay MRAs. Like, seriously?

“We’ll just fuck each other! That’ll show those feeeemales!”

Women who aren’t attracted to men, or who are but are also attracted to other genders:
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feministguy
feministguy
3 years ago

MRA’s are the biggest disgrace to men ever

They dont represent mens rights, they represent an evil agenda

The Student
The Student
3 years ago

@feministguy,
Your latest comment seems a little… random.

Would you care to respond to the concerns and comments your previous comment elicited?

feministguy
feministguy
3 years ago

which comment in particular?

The Student
The Student
3 years ago

@feministguy:

This one:

@Feministguy, I’m begging you, change your ‘nym post-haste.

Either that or engage with the multitude of posts in thread multitude of threads in which people have shown that your mindset and arguments are not, in any way or by any stretch of the imagination, feminist.

Or this one:

Also, I’ll bite at Feministguy’s question.

I think sexual orientation depends both on genes and the environment. Why? Well, pretty much everything does. This does not mean that you can prevent people from becoming gay by having laws and a moral system that forbids it, that much is very obvious. And it doesn’t mean that you could change someone’s orientation through therapy either. Like, we know that height depends on both genes and environment, but that doesn’t imply that you, to any extent at all, choose how tall you want to be, or can affect your height through therapy.

The whole thing is probably super complicated… We know of cultures, like ancient Greece, where men having sex with other men was the norm, and we have no sources telling us that most men doing this disliked it or had to force themselves to do it because they were actually straight. So it doesn’t seem like a majority of humans are genetically hardwired into being straight and straight only. But we also know that you can’t make gay and bi people disappear by forbidding sex with the same gender.

Besides that I’d say we really don’t know much at all… But it’s a fair guess that genes and environment both play some kind of part in it.

Or this one:

“Feminist” guy said

Just out of curiosity, do you people think sexuality is something you are born with or environmental?

Just out of curiosity, why do you think it matters?

feministguy
feministguy
3 years ago

I was just curious and wanted to know what determines a persons sexuality

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
3 years ago

Nobody actually 100 percent knows, feministguy. Environment is an argument but in some cases that makes no sense (like mine if any thing I would be straight-sorry for tmis). Genes could be but so far there is no conclusive evidence.
These are to the best of my limited knowledge.
The only thing I gather is all aready natural. Animals exhibit bisexuality, heterosexuality and homosexuality (asexuality too) no issue so why are we as a species still so weird about it?
To the rest sorry I tried but I’m not really eloquent online

Shadowplay
3 years ago

@ Fluffy Spider

Hits all the bases. People are complex, no one really knows.

Though I do think genetics is more influential. Sister and I are about as different physically (and mentally) as is possible for two kids from the same parents.
I’m hetero, always have been. My sister is not, and she always has been quite happily lesbian. Same environment produced us both.

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
3 years ago

@Shadowplay
Thanks 🙂
I got a bit frustrated with feministguy but managed to keep my cool giving him my response. You seem to be better though at replying to him or her or them (it’s the internet you never know)
That’s interesting like with me and my sister. I’m very much bisexual she’s very much heterosexual. Not the only way we’re different (she’s super tall I’m decidedly short) but an interesting way.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

You are a kind person. Shows in your replies. 🙂

Yeah – family stuff is odd. My sis is a bit taller than me (she’s 6 2, I’m just over 6 foot). She’s a pretty, ultra fair skinned blonde, I’m the skinny dark one you wouldn’t glance twice at in a souk. There isn’t a single art she can’t do to a high standard while I can barely paint walls, but she’ll take four hours and two trips to hospital to change a fuse – meanwhile I’ve put a new gearbox in the car. She’s outgoing and cheery, I’m decidedly cautious around people. She’s terrified of heights, I fly hangliders for fun, yet the first time she did a parachute jump she went up three more times and landed perfectly each time – I usually hit hard enough to bounce despite it being part of my job!

We had so little in common as kids that we always got on brilliantly together. About the only thing we share is that the other has very good taste in siblings. 😛

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
3 years ago

Lol my and mine having some similar opposites.
She’s tall, naturally dark haired (dyed blue now it’s so pretty) thin and tan
I’m short, blonde, fat and pale (the sun is my enemy)
She is more outgoing I’m shy
She is better with dogs while cats gravitate towards me (I love dogs too)
She loves heights I decided do not and belong firmly on the ground
I love spiders she hates them
We get along good recently

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I was just curious and wanted to know what determines a persons sexuality

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21700000/True-Blood-gif-true-blood-21716726-500-222.gif

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

@feministguy
http://media1.giphy.com/media/NshsZXMuzcahG/giphy.gif

Edit: can anyone see the gif? It’s some dude from Community saying “Everyone wants you to shut up”

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

I can see the gif.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 years ago

There must have been cases – can anyone think of a study of identical twins whose orientation differed?