By David Futrelle
It’s always a little strange to see self-described “involuntary celibates” — that is, guys who by their own admission are currently (and perhaps forever) unable to locate any women who want to fuck them — discussing sex as if they actually have first-hand knowledge about it.
But here are two dudes on the Braincels subreddit earnestly discussing what to them is a major sex controversy: should you bother to give women orgasms, assuming female orgasms even exist?
![AjitPaiFan1 Corinthians 7 1 point 17 days ago I don't care whether or not a BITCH gets her cumcums. That's the reality. The thing is, however, hoes talk about getting fucked amongst each other. If you fuck a bitch so hard she starts PISSING involuntarily and squirming like a sea creature (sometimes wrongly conflated with the transcendental male experience called "orgasm"), then every single one of her friends is going to hear about it and want in on the action. Considering the size of the social circle of the average female, making one of them cum opens up the opportunity for fucking dozens of other sheepish, millennial, STD ridden, bangin babes in a casual context. permalinkembedunsavereportgive goldreply [–]derpyderpderp42069[S] 1 point 17 days ago Or you could just fuck another girl whenever you want instead of being a beta cuck trying to please women. Jesus what's wrong with you cucks. "Maybe if I jump through these hoops and give some thot a super orgasm she will tell her friends and they will like me too teeheehee" Sheesh grow some self respect.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ry7ctuf8vyig9uohjp.png?resize=580%2C615&ssl=1)
I really can’t imagine why women aren’t lining up to bed these fellows.
sure, but it doesn’t have to be physical attraction. Also you’ll have to cite a source more scientific than “all my friends” for a claim of that level.
Its garbage
No one in the right mind says “I think my bf/gf is unattractive”. Its just a falacy to prove your point. We are all more superficial than we want to admit. You women have difficulty coming to terms with it because awful men have VILIFIED you for making choices based on preferences to do with appearance, so deep down you ladies are scared to accept that you would rule out some men out because of their appearance
You got me there. I’m not “in my right mind” (I do have a mental illness).
But you’re not sexist at all. >.>
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t think a genuine “feminist guy” would mansplain women’s feelings so blatantly.
Well, that was quite the about-face.
Entirely expected, of course, but still.
(I wonder if I’m an honorary “lady” now?)
Ah, I see.
So your feminist position is that we simply don’t know the truth of the matter, we’re just incapable of coming to terms with it? Because we’re incapable of seeing the truth of the superficiality in ourselves (and humanity) because of the aggression of men?
Can you explain that to me in a bit more detail? Cause it sounds like you’re just deciding to throw out our beliefs and experiences because they don’t jive with yours. Of course we just don’t have the mental fortitude to recognize the truth.
Care to dig into that a little further for us?
@ feministguy
Fair enough, so just give us a generic example. I’m familiar with Incel philosophy, so I’ll start with one of their basic gripes and you talk me out of it. Ok?
“Women are superficial and only care about looks, they’d never consider dating an ugly guy; and don’t tell me there are exceptions because AWALT”
Over to you.
I wont talk them out of the fact that they cant date, because they fucking cant.
I will TALK THEM INTO, having fun, small baby steps in terms of aims and goals, reaching out to family members, having a perspective on life which is healthy, recognising their strengths ect ect
And any hate towards women, Ill talk them out of too
Feminist guy,
I didn’t ask to see a picture of you. I asked what feature or features make you too ugly to date. Why don’t you want to say?
Including the belief that AWALT wrt how shallow they are?
My face, my droopy eyes my red itchy skin, my atopic disease (excema)
My face is a mess
But I was born 10 weeks premature and quiet a lot of babies born that many weeks premature dont even make it alive
So I am lucky and grateful
A fellow premie. Every moment is a gift. Nothing you’ve described is undateable quality. I hope you learn to enjoy your face and your eyes and your skin. I learned to stop cringing at my own looks by forcing myself to look at myself in the mirror, all flaws exposed. Now I don’t see myself as ugly. Sometimes I can even see what my husband sees in me. I hope you find the same peace some day.
@ feministguy
So you agree with the incel position that women are superficial, and that there’s not one woman alive who isn’t superficial?
I had a big crush on this guy who had rosacea. Shortly after he broke up with his long time girlfriend he and I hooked up. He was short too, BTW. That’s something a lot of dudes fixate on. But I still thought he was cute and we were both progressives who like the movie Drop Dead Gorgeous so that was part of it.
I also know a guy with psoriasis who’s had lots of boyfriends in the time I’ve known him. He’s really nice and really funny. Some people find that hot. I suppose to sad boner whiners gay guys who have skin problems getting dates doesn’t count though.
feministguy
damn. fail
close enough
I feel bad about leaving at that; i have a to-do to do tonight. So I will make one more comment here.
Feministguy, it’s not that you’re undateable for being too ugly. Doesn’t exist.
You’ve been taught since you were a wee thing that you were undateable for being too ugly. Society sold you a load of garbage, just like it sells everyone a load of garbage. It’s called patriarchy. It sucks.
There are people out there who don’t consider appearance to be an important factor in attraction. you’re talking to some of them.
Now, I’m not saying you should start dating again! Dating’s garbage too. It’s society’s square-dance, judging and constraining your relationships. Assessing your worth according to ridiculous, impossible, archaic standards that no one with sense gives a toss about.
Society has been extra harsh to you; being conventionally unattractive is awful. You might say that there are many here who are aware of that. You don’t deserve that harshness. But that’s not the limiting factor in forming relationships. The limiting factor is that bad bill of sale that society sold you when you were born. Telling men that they deserve a wife, telling women that they are worthless unmarried.
Truth is, no one’s entitled to a relationship. A relationship is just finding someone you want to spend time with, and who wants to spend time with you, and that’s all. No one’s entitled to that, because it requires the intentions of two.
Appearance doesn’t work into that calculation at all.
If you want to honestly call yourself Feministguy, don’t tell women that they’re too fragile to accept the “truth”, that being whatever-thing-you-want-to-believe. That’s confirmation bias; I wrote a big thing on that on the blog here today.
Find peace.
“Feminist” guy,
I’m going to do the equivalent of of you dragging your friend to a cancer ward to show them how much worse off they could be. Hopefully without exposing the people involved to as horrible a degree of dehumanising as you did.
Check out what people with icthyosis look like. Yet you can see many of them wandering about the place with their spouses and kids.
I think what you really need is to join an eczema support group, not this self imposed mission to lead the incels to the false truth you share with them.
You could talk with other people with the same condition. Or have you already tried that, and been booted out for your stubborn refusal to admit the existence of fellow members with successful romantic relationships?
Try listening to them.
Try listening.
But yeah cornychips,
I agree this one is just trolling for attention. If so or if not, maybe if someone lurking here has the same condition, fears, and feels, then they might benefit from talking to a group of their fellows.
@feministguy
Wow. Rude. It is most certainly not garbage.
Some of my relatives still try to tease me, 13 years later, about how ‘odd looking’ my 2nd boyfriend was. He was 5ft2 with very unconventional features, long curly hair and headlice. I knew he had headlice before we got together and I still got with him because he was adorable, funny and nice so I figured we’d fix that problem together.
I could go on about others but I won’t. I went out with these people DESPITE pressure from society to pick ‘handsomer’ partners.
You sound like you have many of the same issues as my sister who is very self-conscious about how she looks, also about how overweight she is. She won’t allow any photos taken of her by anyone, at all, ever but she sure as shit found love anyways because people are not all only attracted to a certain set of standard qualities.
Hell, my zits had zits, and I was half bald by 18. Still got married.
@shadowplay
I wanted to ask if you’re from Yorkshire btw, I can’t remember why now though
Aye. I am. 🙂 Been a soft southerner for nigh on 40 year though.
This asshole is still at it?
Should we start asking for seagull recipes?
Cool 🙂