By David Futrelle
It’s always a little strange to see self-described “involuntary celibates” — that is, guys who by their own admission are currently (and perhaps forever) unable to locate any women who want to fuck them — discussing sex as if they actually have first-hand knowledge about it.
But here are two dudes on the Braincels subreddit earnestly discussing what to them is a major sex controversy: should you bother to give women orgasms, assuming female orgasms even exist?
![AjitPaiFan1 Corinthians 7 1 point 17 days ago I don't care whether or not a BITCH gets her cumcums. That's the reality. The thing is, however, hoes talk about getting fucked amongst each other. If you fuck a bitch so hard she starts PISSING involuntarily and squirming like a sea creature (sometimes wrongly conflated with the transcendental male experience called "orgasm"), then every single one of her friends is going to hear about it and want in on the action. Considering the size of the social circle of the average female, making one of them cum opens up the opportunity for fucking dozens of other sheepish, millennial, STD ridden, bangin babes in a casual context. permalinkembedunsavereportgive goldreply [–]derpyderpderp42069[S] 1 point 17 days ago Or you could just fuck another girl whenever you want instead of being a beta cuck trying to please women. Jesus what's wrong with you cucks. "Maybe if I jump through these hoops and give some thot a super orgasm she will tell her friends and they will like me too teeheehee" Sheesh grow some self respect.](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/ry7ctuf8vyig9uohjp.png?resize=580%2C615&ssl=1)
I really can’t imagine why women aren’t lining up to bed these fellows.
@Rabid Rabbit
Lol, oh man, whipped cream?
And I’d thought I’d already seen the worst cinematic effects ever when my high school history class borrowed our parent’s cameras and used ketchup as fake blood to film pretend war documentaries. I totally have to see this porno now.?
I once heard of a local feminist indie porn producer who resorted to portraying actual urination using tea from a ketchup bottle.
At least I hope it was whipped cream. I shudder to think of the alternatives.
Kidvelociraptor:
Er, what? There’s conflicting information around on what the female ejaculation actually is, but this one I’ve never heard before. Any fluid stored in the bladder couldn’t remain separate from urine.
Could it be that the fluid you describe is produced in the Skene glands, but the amount is fairly small, and for a heavy squirt to occur there must be a simultaneous leak of urine?
Semen is not stored in the bladder, but in the prostate, which connects to the urethra, like the Skene glands. (Of course there will be a little mixing with urine residue in the urethra, as you noted.)
Rabid Rabbit:
I’ve read that they often use corn starch mixed with cooking oil. No idea whether that’s accurate, and I’ve never mixed that up to see how realistic it looks!
Christ Kupo, why all the hate?
Im trying to get a bunch of hateful men not to be hateful and somehow Im the bad guy?
BRB. I will do science to it!
And – what kind of porn are we talking about? Either I’ve never come across it (hehe) or I didn’t pay enough attention. Then again, I’m not a fan of the money shot at all, so…
Zaunfinks science department has come to the following conclusion:
Olive oil is a miss, as expected (way too green/yellow).
Both canola and sunflower oil work pretty well, a bit too yellowish but I guess that wouldn’t matter with the right light. Ratio is about 1 tablespoon oil to 2-3 heaped tablespoons starch, I’d say (I eyeballed it).
The feeling is really weird, slimy-gritty.
I guess it would work.
Feministguy,
We explained to you at length in the MGTOW-Gandhi thread why your statements about some men being inherently unable to get sex and why your requests for help in helping the incels are offensive and problematic. You – perhaps purposely – did not listen to and absorb any of it and just continue to repeat your talking points. You have no one to blame but yourself if you’re not getting the reception you want here.
If you truly are here in good faith and want to learn, you need to go read that whole thread from the start of your appearance in it. This time really read it for comprehension. If you keep repeating the line that involuntary celibacy is a real thing, you’re going to keep getting pushback. Your choice.
@Zaunfink:
So basically, about as convincing as the porn itself?
To answer your question, this was the sort of porn that jokes are made of and that you’d find in video stores back before the internet. Other extremely convincing features were the breasts involved and the attempts at plot.
@treehugger
I dont believe INCEL is a real thing as anyone can pay for sex with money.
Not everyone can achieve everything in life, whether it be romance, academia, sports ect. Ive repeatedly condemed their shitty attitude
@rabid rabbit
Yup. I always wonder what people they are made for.
Ohhh. Now I know which kind you mean. There’s a rather infamous sentence used in my whole generation (Afaik, never met someone who didn’t know it) which translates to “wait, why is there straw right here?” that stems from such a porn. Its the non-sequiteur auf non-sequiteurs.
The whole thing is hilarious. There’s trouble with the electricity, so the scantily dressed lady leads the electrician (who is wearing a full mask) to the box. Three lines in she asks the question of all questions about straw, to which he answers “well, blow me!”. And then they fuck. On the straw.
Actually, considering how “blow me” is used in the english language, the dialogue would probably work in english…. A little bit.
Back when I was heavily into martial arts, my sifu used to ask new students – in his intentionally broken, heavily accented English – what kind of kung-fu they wanted to learn. And then he’d quite happily demonstrate some really flashy moves for them, and follow that up with some quick, hard-to-follow moves, to judge what their reaction was. Since he made his money through his martial arts supply store, he didn’t charge for his martial arts classes and was more than willing to reject people he didn’t want to teach.
Anyone who was overly impressed by the flashy moves got assigned to one of the senior students, who was fully aware that their job was to keep the new guy (pretty much always guys) occupied with pushups, sit-ups, and other basic, universal fitness training stuff until they got bored and stopped coming.
I only ever saw one guy who was able to work his way into the real class after falling for the flashy shit.
@Feministguy
WWTH covered it pretty well already, but I wanted to add that if you want us all to stop giving you the serious side-eye you could start by actually responding to any of the points we’ve made. And read the comments policy.
As of right now by continuing to invade our space to interject with comments we’ve specifically asked you not to where you express sympathy for people who want us dead or enslaved you’re basically confirming that your goal here is to create discomfort.
I could never have sex with a male.
You never know when it’s one of those degenerates… and even if he’s not, most still simply don’t care about you as a person and your pleasure or see sex as a mutual experience. It’s always something they do to you, something they take. They win and you lose.
Most love the shit they see in porn as well.
It’s sometimes saddening, because I do feel lonely and have sexual desires… but I’ll remain a virgin until I die and won’t ever marry or have any relationships. For my own safety and dignity.
I can’t be with someone who sees me as less than them.
@FeministGuy
Guy, I hear you. Not everyone is lucky in all areas of life (and finding a good romantic match is sometimes a lot of luck, a lot of being in the right place at the right time). Plus, not everyone is in the right headspace for relationships, not everyone is in a place where they can open their heart up and risk it being broken, even when they yearn for it.
However…
You say you want to help incels with their toxic, hostile misogyny, but you’re drinking from the same water fountain as they are. You lump all women together just like they do. Only difference being that you’re a benevolent sexist instead of a hostile one- you’re the carrot to their stick.
You want us, a forum full of feminists, to advise you in how to turn these shitty, misogynistic, asswipes into kind, benevolent sexists just like you, and you want us to like you for it.
Guy, please. Work on yourself before you work on any of them.
@Zaunfink, @Rabid Rabbit
I think they actually make fake semen out of the same stuff that they make fake blood out of, just goopier and lumpier, and dyed differently. The scenes that I notice it the most in is the creampie type scenes, or the “gallons of cum” money shots. And while if it’s well done it shouldn’t be noticable, I’ve seen some particularly bad squirting videos as well, where they dumbly decided to do a super close up of the actress as she “came”, which made it painfully obvious what was happening. ?
How am I a sexist?
I believe in equality and womens rights, so that makes me sexist. I believe all humans need to find each other physically attractive at first to want to date each other. So Im lumping all humans with each other in that statement not just women
Trust me, Im not a carrot to their stick. Things I say make them self reflect and make them feel very uncomfortable
Am I the only one who nearly hyperventilated with laughter at the “transcendental male orgasm” line? Man these people are just not wired up to the standards of the Canadian Board of Electricians in the brain department.
@Feministguy
You could try maybe reading what we’ve already told you is our issue with you instead of building up straw man arguments we never made. You’re clearly not interested in learning from us as you’ve yet to actually pay any attention to anything we’ve said.
I was going to explain what was wrong with what you just said but it’s already been explained to you before, so what’s the point? You don’t care about learning about feminism or becoming a feminist. You only care about stoking those feelings of ostracization because you’re still stuck in the incel mindset. We’re not trying to ostracize you. We wouldn’t waste our time trying to explain things to you if that were the case. But you go ahead and climb up on your cross and we’ll talk to you when you’re ready to come down.
@ feministguy
And lots of people here, through either personal experience or references to society at large, have demonstrated that your assertion is not true. Hence the pushback. You’re implicitly claiming they’re liars .
But to reiterate the above, you’re still saying all women are a monolithic hivemind who are lying about their experiences. Saying ‘all men are liars too’ doesn’t mitigate that.
“Feminist”guy,
Firstly, citations please. Give us a link to a conversation where that has actually occurred. Because based on your track record here of failing to respond to questions or challenges, I am not inclined to trust you when you say you are a feminist or you are a savior of incels.
While you are at it, you could give us a better understanding of what you think feminism is. Your grasp of the idea doesn’t seem very nuanced to me.
Yet here you are, over and over trying to sell yourself as the guy with all the answers. I imagine the incels read you the same way as I do – who is this person who comes in depicting himself as the font of all wisdom, looking for disciples, when he doesn’t even grasp the situation?
The trouble is, you are approaching the incels from their own perspective, not challenging it. The other problem is, they will ignore you anyway because they are as determined to keep seeing themselves as knowing best, as you are.
You have no credibility in either camp. We here see no reason to bow to your allegedly superior knowledge. (Sorry group, for speaking for the group).
@Feministguy
[Trigger warning for racial stereotyping used in the service of an analogy]
Try looking at it like this:
If someone starts talking about how they run a fruit stand, and they really wish they could get some African-American customers, but they can’t because African Americans love watermelons and they only have cantaloupes, I trust you can see why that would be racist as fuck.
…and if that person followed it up by saying “no, no, I’m not blaming African Americans for not coming to my fruit stand; it’s my own fault for not having any watermelons,” that doesn’t make it any less racist.
…and if that person did all of this shit on a Black Lives Matter website, I trust you can see how that might not go over well.
Just in case you’re actually clueless instead of being intentionally dense – which at this point I seriously doubt – the whole “women only date handsome men” crap is the same as “all African Americans like watermelon” shit in the analogy above. The more you cling to your sexist narrative, the less people around here are going to be willing to treat you civilly.
Figure it out or fuck off. I’m pretty sure nobody here cares which you choose at this point.
@FeministGuy
A sexist is as a sexist does. And most the people here probably struggle with benevolent or internalized misogyny to some extent, what makes you think that you’re so special that you don’t? I already told you nicely that you need to take a seat, listen, and learn about feminism, because you still have a lot to learn.
Guy, could you explain to me why we will never break free of sexism by embracing benevolent sexism over hostile sexism? Could you even explain what the difference between benevolent sexism and hostile sexism is? Could you explain how they manifest in society?
Take a seat, and listen. You don’t have to check your head at the door, you don’t have to stop thinking for yourself, but you do have to think about what your saying, and you especially have to stop talking over us. Otherwise talking to you is useless, and I might as well start responding to all your posts with gifs of WWE performers hitting each other with chairs, because either way I’ll just be wasting my time.
I’m going to point out once more that Feminist guy never actually denied it when I pointed out that when men say they’re undateable or unfuckable, they don’t mean that every woman on the whole entire planet would reject them. They mean the subset of women who are very conventionally attractive and socially adept seem to prefer men who are also very conventionally attractive and socially adept.
I think there’s a reason this point was ignored.
Another thing, notice how he never described how he looks. He’s just assured us he isn’t attractive enough to attract a woman. I guess this is because whatever trait or set of traits that are supposedly making him undateable is a trait or set of traits possessed by somebody one or more of the male attracted people here have dated.