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Does giving a woman an orgasm make you a cuck, men who never have sex wonder

Perfectly understandable response to incel bullshit

By David Futrelle

It’s always a little strange to see self-described “involuntary celibates” — that is, guys who by their own admission are currently (and perhaps forever) unable to locate any women who want to fuck them — discussing sex as if they actually have first-hand knowledge about it.

But here are two dudes on the Braincels subreddit earnestly discussing what to them is a major sex controversy: should you bother to give women orgasms, assuming female orgasms even exist?

AjitPaiFan1 Corinthians 7 1 point 17 days ago I don't care whether or not a BITCH gets her cumcums. That's the reality. The thing is, however, hoes talk about getting fucked amongst each other. If you fuck a bitch so hard she starts PISSING involuntarily and squirming like a sea creature (sometimes wrongly conflated with the transcendental male experience called "orgasm"), then every single one of her friends is going to hear about it and want in on the action. Considering the size of the social circle of the average female, making one of them cum opens up the opportunity for fucking dozens of other sheepish, millennial, STD ridden, bangin babes in a casual context. permalinkembedunsavereportgive goldreply [–]derpyderpderp42069[S] 1 point 17 days ago Or you could just fuck another girl whenever you want instead of being a beta cuck trying to please women. Jesus what's wrong with you cucks. "Maybe if I jump through these hoops and give some thot a super orgasm she will tell her friends and they will like me too teeheehee" Sheesh grow some self respect.

I really can’t imagine why women aren’t lining up to bed these fellows.

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Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
3 years ago

The stupid! It burns!

Seriously this hurt my brain to read, the actual comment by these incel goons I mean

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
3 years ago

Short and sweet reply: EYEROLL.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

…Yikes.

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

“Millenial”? I always thought incels were mostly youngish men. Why are they using the term “millenial” in a derogatory way?

Faygeleh
Faygeleh
3 years ago

On the upside Rony the turtle had a nice comment

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

…pissing?

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
3 years ago

That is something that I just don’t get on a very basic level, with these guys (yeah, I know, one of many unfathomable things). I mean, the whole point of sex is that it’s mutual – otherwise it’s just a form of masturbation using the body of someone else.
So, if you’re not interested in the enjoyment of the other person, at all, if you in fact view it with such disdain, why even bother?

Okay, fine, I know the answer: the symbolic social capital of sexual “conquest” etc. But I still feel like I don’t get it.
Maybe it’s my ladybrainz.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
3 years ago

@Moggie: I’ve seen the claim before that the female ejaculation is just pissing. And of course, these guys can’t imagine an orgasm that does not include ejaculation. So for them this is another way to look down at women and ignore their individual sexuality.

Brazilian Sigma
Brazilian Sigma
3 years ago

/r/Braincels shoulld be renamed to /r/Brainless

The Real Cie
3 years ago

My hand is better than these losers any day. It hits the mark every time. I hope they all end up with splinters in their bits from having sex with unwilling knotholes.

Ace
Ace
3 years ago

Well, apparently these guys think that peeing during sex is a female orgasm? I mean, I know that can happen, but… have they never even watched a porno? Most of those orgasms are fake (I’ve never talked to a porn star, so maybe all are fake?) but they don’t make the actresses pee themselves to make it seem real, so wouldn’t that make you realize.

Also, doesn’t that second commenter realize that women are a hive mind? If you don’t give a woman an orgasm, obviously all the rest of us will know and shun you forever! How else could women do all these things to trap men, and make sure incels never get sex unless we are of one brain (obviously, still not as good as a single MAN BRAIN) and can transmit these thoughts instantly.

Plus, why are they so eager to have sex with STD-ridden people?

And, I don’t comment here a lot, so… post contains some sarcasm!

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Perfect example of why these guys aren’t incels because they’re just not physically attractive enough.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Also, what sea creature, exactly? Squid? Polychaete? Korean penis fish? Cymothoa exigua? This is important! I wish AjitPaiFan (really?) would tell us which sea creatures he has had sex with.

(Don’t google for Cymothoa exigua. Just don’t)

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
3 years ago

Derpy the Appropriately Nymed wrote:

Or you could just fuck another girl whenever you want Instead of being a beta cuck trying to please women.

Uh…isn’t the whole incel thing based on the fact that they believe they can’t actually fuck a girl? Like, ever?

Do you even whine, bro?

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
3 years ago

You could write an encyclopedia about the things Incels don’t get about sex. And a book about reasons no one wants to even be around them, let alone have sex with them.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

(Don’t google for Cymothoa exigua. Just don’t)

I did. Turns out it was the creature in the movie The Bay. Well a mutant version of it anyway. That’s a good movie. Highly recommend to anyone who likes creature features. That’s one that’s actually scary.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
3 years ago

…so it’s confirmed. To them, “cuck” isn’t defined as an infidelity fetishist.
It’s defined as “literally absolutely anyone with any concern (real or imaginary) with producing or allowing a positive outcome, actual or theoretical, for women.”

Then again, I assume these are the guys who once argued that having daughters was inherently “cucking” so I don’t know what I was expecting.

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

Okay, fine, I know the answer: the symbolic social capital of sexual “conquest” etc. But I still feel like I don’t get it.
Maybe it’s my ladybrainz.

Don’t worry; I’m well-versed in superior manly STEM-lojik, and I also don’t get it.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

The following is a digression, but…this reminds me of a book I read – I don’t remember the title, something like The Technology of Orgasm – that was more or less about the history of vibrators.

Anyway, this book went into detail about the old medical diagnosis of hysteria, and the hysterical paroxysm, now known as female orgasm. It brought up the very good point that the doctors who didn’t recognize a female orgasm for what it was, had likely never seen one in their wives.

Perry
Perry
3 years ago

The cumcums?

I’m sorry I just typed that and I’m sorry anyone read that.

Feministguy
Feministguy
3 years ago

The obsession that incels have over something they cant get is just unreal and unhealthy.

My dad used to say “Make sure you know enough about a subject before you run your big mouth off about it, or you will look like an idiot”

Best piece of advise I ever got

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago
kupo
kupo
3 years ago

No way am I clicking that link.

Irene
Irene
3 years ago

Re The Technology of Orgasm, see https://www.lesleyahall.net/factoids.htm#hysteria for critique of same.

amy
amy
3 years ago

Its insane to me that most parts of history and culture, female orgasm was ignored and was even questioned by the scientists. I can’t imagine the reverse.

feartheminotaur
feartheminotaur
3 years ago

@EJ RE: Millennials

I’ve heard a lot of folks treat the term Millennial pejoratively like we did “Yuppie” back in the day. To them it’s a lifestyle they disapprove of instead of a shorthand for the range of dates someone was born in.

Last time it happened to me was last month in the game store*. Some dude started telling me how lucky I was to be gay. How straight dudes are stuck with “diseased millennial cows that look like Lena Dunham**”. He made it pretty clear he considered it an insult not an adjective.

* An increasingly hostile atmosphere lately. Euro board games are awesome, but sadly, also the ultimate ‘well, actually’ event.

**I suspect this boogeyman could be substituted with anyone their hive mind disapproves of.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

@kupo – What, you don’t trust me? 😀

(It’s the “hey dum dum, you give me gum gum?” scene from Night At The Museum, in case you were wondering)

How does one get video links to embed? I used to be able to, but my wordpress skills seem to have atrophied.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

My dad used to say “Make sure you know enough about a subject before you run your big mouth off about it, or you will look like an idiot”

Best piece of advise I ever got

Maybe someday you’ll heed it?

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Zaunfink
Zaunfink
3 years ago

@moggie

I googles, saw a pic that looked relatively cute, saw another one with many many legs and really quickly closed the tab. Now I’m going to try to sleep. I should have listened!

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Buttercup
I was assuming it was something about cumcum (I feel ridiculous typing that).

Ivory Bill Woodpecker
Ivory Bill Woodpecker
3 years ago

“Dear” incels:

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

That picture makes me think somewhere there’s someone going “Hang on, this is catnip; who’s snaffled our weed!”

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Wow, these guys have such fun notions of sexytimes, don’t they? Also, “giving a woman an orgasm” always makes me smile:
“here you go, I got you an orgasm! It’s a present, from me to you.”
“It’s … it’s the wrong size.”

@Buttercup

How does one get video links to embed? I used to be able to, but my wordpress skills seem to have atrophied.

Same here; I’ve asked Google a few times but no luck aside from the usual “paste the url in its own line & make sure it’s not hyperlinked” etc.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

How would you know tho!? This is the grown ass internet version of the 1st boy to touch a boob having to try and splain to all the other boys how girls’ bodies work, making shit up as he goes along

QuantumInc
QuantumInc
3 years ago

It sounds like the first guy actually hates the idea of getting attention. “Don’t make a woman orgasm, because she will tell her friends and then all those gross women will go after you” is how I read this. His wording also makes it sound like he enjoys orgasm but is disgusted by other parts of sex. Maybe these incels are simply grossed out by sex in general and that’s why they can’t get laid. They go “Oh woe is me!” because their sexual abstinence challenges their masculinity; but really they never even tried because sex is gross and girls have cooties.

dashapants
dashapants
3 years ago

First off, dear incels, I know you’re not having any sex, but if somehow it ever comes about that you do, and the woman you are with pees herself involuntarily, this means one of two things: (a) you’ve been inopportune and initiated sexytimes whilst her bladder was a bit too full to cope with the outcome, (b) you’ve been VERY inopportune and she’s afraid of you.

Secondly @Penny Psmith, I can clear up the confusion, but you won’t like the answer. The point for the angry incel is not that it’s mutual or that he gets enjoyment, but the fact that he gets more enjoyment if his partner is not getting hers. Sex is not only pleasure and validation for him, but also a form of incel schadenfreude.

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
3 years ago

The aauthorof the reddit post wonders why he doesn’t get laid at all?
Let me say it loud
BEDROOM SELFISHNESS
It is usually unattractive to most women who like males.
Once again proving it was never their looks it’s their personality

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

Yes, the first thing I do after peeing the bed is make sure my entire social circle of female friends knows about it.

And then we all swarm the Orgasm Giver, because female orgasms are so incredibly rare, we would topple governments to get a few moments of squirming incontinence. The kind that only a dude who really hates women can accidentally provide.

(God, these people are so bad at people.)

@Mish – I tried Googling too, but couldn’t get video embedding to work. Guess we’ll have to use our words?

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

It’s always a little strange to see self-described “involuntary celibates” — that is, guys who by their own admission are currently (and perhaps forever) unable to locate any women who want to fuck them — discussing sex as if they actually have first-hand knowledge about it.

I’m pretty sure these guys have first-hand knowledge about sex.

It’s sex with a partner that’s a challenge for them. That’s true for most people. But most people don’t get on the InterWebz to say vile things about the people who won’t bed them.

Incels: Brush up on your people skills!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Penny Psmith

But I still feel like I don’t get it.
Maybe it’s my ladybrainz.

Be happy about that.

Kootiepatra
3 years ago

Re: “Millennial” as a pejorative – My conservative family and coworkers seem to use it as shorthand for “entitled liberal whiny snowflake who also happens to be a young adult”.

Tessa
Tessa
3 years ago

…So, I’m just going to say, being a trans woman, and therefore having the relatively unusual privilege of experiencing *both* male and female orgasms, uhhh, well, if there’s any of the two that’s “transcendental”, it’s the female one.

There’s a reason that women tend to be screamers more often then men.

(Your mileage may vary, of course!)

Jo
Jo
3 years ago

There is definitely porn where women are supposedly squirting but in reality peeing based on the vast quantities involved. (To be clear, I’m not talking about female ejaculation in general, just videos where the sustained firehose effect could only be supplied by something with the capacity of a bladder.)

I think there are some markets where local regulations prohibit urine in porn, so this might be an attempt to circumvent those rules. Or it might be a side-effect of the bigger-is-better attitude to aspects of sexuality in some porn. ‘Our videos are better because the girls squirt more than all the others’ being the general idea.

I’m not excusing the incelery in the post – I’m pretty sure he’s referring to pee because he sees it as a dig against women’s sexuality. But someone who got their sex education from porn (which is a horrifying common phenomenon) could be very confused about what the typical female orgasm looks like.

Michael Brew
Michael Brew
3 years ago

So the way I read it, summarized:

Incel #1: I don’t care about making women have orgasms, but it might make women more likely to want to have sex with me.

Incel #2: You’re a cuck for wanting to make women want to have sex with you, have sex with them anyway!

So, sounds like #2 is literally saying rape is the only manly option.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Buttercup Q. Skullpants:

@Mish – I tried Googling too, but couldn’t get video embedding to work. Guess we’ll have to use our words?

I feel as clueless as an incel writing about sex, but I think it only recognises certain domains. Let’s test this. First I’ll post that Night at the Museum clip using a http://www.youtube.com URL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-gPqfZI-r8

In the next comment, I’ll use the shortened URL you posted.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Huh, that didn’t embed either. So much for that theory. Anyway, here’s your youtu.be URL, which presumably won’t embed either:

https://youtu.be/Q-gPqfZI-r8

I’ve certainly pasted in http://www.youtube.com URLs recently and had them successfully embed, so it’s a mystery.

Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
Nikki the Bluth Wannabe
3 years ago

Since I’m a virgin, my only experience with this comes from reading smutty fanfiction, but with the whole “pissing” thing, I figured Incel #1 was referring to squirting. If the choice is between a guy who’s skilled enough to make a girl squirt and wants her to have pleasure or these idiots-well, not really much of a choice, is it?

Feministguy
Feministguy
3 years ago

Incels watching porn is so unhealthy, just makes them obsess more over something they cant get

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

Also, “giving a woman an orgasm” always makes me smile:
“here you go, I got you an orgasm! It’s a present, from me to you.”
“It’s … it’s the wrong size.”

TBF I think a lot of people tend to see sex between a man and a woman this way. It’s the man who does sex. The woman receives sex. And so whether the woman has an orgasm depends solely on the man; he’s the one who’s supposed to give her one.
This is so wrongheaded because clearly sex is something you do together. But I actually think it’s really common to think of sex in this manner.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

@Moggie
I believe you also need to drop the s from https. Let’s test.

Edit: yep, that worked. To recap:

1) use the full http://www.youtube.com url
2) use the http protocol, not https

Edit 2: Whaaat it broke. Does it have to be the last thing?

Edit 3: Whaaat, still borked.

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