MGTOWs: We’re all about crushing women’s egos, which makes us basically Gandhi, if you think about it

@solecism

Thank you. I have promised and vowed myself to crush/close of any desire I have to become intimate or ask anyone out for a date. I found a healthy way to deal with it, and I will make sure incels can too

Not sure what I said about women which is offensive tbh, Ive always said that women shoudlnt do anything they dont feel comfortable with and no man is entitled to love or sex

Rejection sucks but I have no regrets. Helped me get out my comfort zone and learn how to deal with rejection maturely. One of the best things I did was get on those dating sites but one of the best things I did was also deleting them

@An on Those “animals” can be of great harm to our society. What are we meant to do about the increasing number of entitled men who are mentally unstable and brainwashed enough to harm innocent women?

@An on

I’ve actually seen many radical feminists argue recently that women shouldn’t be afraid to be “shallow”.

No one here is saying that women don’t or shouldn’t ever consider a potential partner’s physical attractiveness when it comes to relationships. We’re saying that women are individuals, and what factors into physical attractiveness for one person may be completely different from what factors into it for someone else.

@Feministguy

Not sure what I said about women which is offensive tbh

It’s because you are essentially saying “women are all the same; none of them can ever want me”. Assuming that women are some kind of monolithic mass is not considered to be feminist in most circles, especially not here.

@everybody

Feministguy is totally our resident incel sock puppet. He comes in wanting women to pat his bottom and salve his loneliness. He expects a lot of emotional labor from us. He has been called out several times before and many commenters have been gentle with him but to no avail. He keeps coming in here with the same shit and I’m convinced he is 100% disingenuous. HE DOESN’T WANT TO CHANGE. HE WANTS TO CRY ABOUT HIS SAD BONER WHILE WE CODDLE HIM.

He continually feigns ignorance when he is constantly offending women. He comes in here saying “female” while claiming to be a feminist. GTFO.

Everytime somebody earnestly responds to him, he shifts goalposts and is willfully ignorant.

@Feministguy

If you keep going on and on about your lack of dating and your sad boner I will fucking tear you a new one. Your innocent act is just that…a fucking act.

@cornychips

Never said I was lonely. Lack of intimacy does not have to equate to loneliness. And I barely ever get boners and I havent watched porn in over 2 years. I want the incels to change, I want our culture to change, I want oppression to change. Thats important. Whether I have an erection or not isnt in the grand scheme of things

And I never knew where the word “female” was derived from. I apologise again

@Alan

I believe that humans have a baseline to what they find attractive (like a minimum in terms of physical attraction) and then it hinges on personality and values. I just dont even hit the minimum.

Feministguy, you just proved my point you fucking sad sack of a troll.

Every thread you shit in, WOMEN talk to you and tell you advice, BUT YOU DON’T LISTEN. You want change? FUCKING LISTEN TO WOMEN instead of arguing semantics, LIKE A TROLL.

There is no need to talk to you anymore. You talk in circles because you are a fucking troll .

@Everybody

Notice how he didn’t argue he was a sock? Or any of the other points I brought up. He countered the boner comment about his fucking boner!!

@ feministguy

I believe that humans have a baseline to what they find attractive

Then you may want to read up on a guy called Jono Lancaster. He has a thing called Treacher Collins Syndrome. That causes facial deformities. He devotes his time to helping kids with the same condition. You’ll also be able to find photos of him and his girlfriend.

So your incel ‘AWALT’ philosophy would seem not to hold water.

Is An on a sock for Female Yid? Or is this there two people who’ve decided that if they’re on the right side so they don’t have to act like decent people? I mean, there’s some value in criticizing the importance place on niceness in women and there’s lots of value in women not feeling the need to be seen as nice. Rejecting niceness is still one of the most radical (the good kind of radical) things women can do. But that’s so that we can stand up for ourselves, stand up for others, and push back against harmful ideas and people. It’s not an excuse to just be a complete asshole to everybody.

On Feminist Guy, I’m with Malitia and Cornychips here. Sad boner trolls are always unappealing to me and it has nothing to do with looks. Because none of them are posting their pics here. Although others have gone to the sections on their sites where they do post their pics and they’re reportedly all perfectly average looking guys. Their problem is not that they’re so hideous looking no one could ever date them. Their problem is their attitude towards women and their refusal to understand that if you want a partner, you need to put yourself out there and socialize and ask people out. Also not being completely self absorbed helps.

No amount of pointing out that we have tastes that differ in one way or another from conventional hotness will make a difference to Feminist Guy or the incels he claims he wants to help. No anecdotes of “unattractive” men finding love will help. They only want to cry about their sad boner. They don’t want romantic advice and dating tips. They don’t want to feel more at peace with themselves.

To expand on Cornychip’s point, I’ve also noticed that he ignored my point about how sad boner whiners -whether they’re incel or Nice Guy types- tend to only want conventionally attractive women. Other women don’t exist. When they say they’re undateable, they mean they’re undateable to a certain segment of the population. The type of conventionally pretty and socially skilled women that end up being cast as Bachelor contestants. That’s what men mean when they say women only go for tall athletic chiseled men.

@An on,

you’ve made me want to be very nice to you, to show you the value of nice.

you’ve also made me want to flay off your skin and hang it as a banner over the smouldering ruins of your arguments.

so there’s a bit of a tension there! I apologize for any incongruity in my responses as a result. I’ll also have to be brief, so I’ll just give you one piece of tin foil to chew on.

Then again, under ideal conditions, sexual attractiveness should be based on what’s healthy and will pass on good genes to the next generation. Anything else falls under the category of paraphilia and fetishization.

Sexual attractiveness is based on whatever humans base their preferences on. You’re committing what’s called the naturalistic fallacy by suggesting that the only proper expression of sexual attraction is that which our genes prefer. It’s wrong; we have big brains that do things for all kinds of reasons and the genetic imperative was overridden (in the individual) by the memetic imperative millions of years ago. For reference, read Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene.

Fuck all of you. Fuck “feminist”guy for derailing and making the thread about him and fuck the rest of you morons for letting him. If you don’t like what they’re saying make one post pointing out what’s wrong with it and move on.

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And lastly, shame on you, Futrelle, for not banning this asshole.

Notice that you’re upset with @Feministguy for taking over the thread, and as a response, you think it’s okay for you to take over the thread and point it at what you want. And you feel justified in telling all of us to fuck off, including the site owner for letting it happen.

We engage how we like, as we like, and if you don’t like it? Door’s to your right. You don’t get to be the arbiter of the conversation.

You’re a refugee from the chans, and I understand the culture’s different there. You understand how toxic and awful it is there, or at least the racism was a bridge too far. Good for you. Now you’re standing at its periphery, orphaned.

You’re gonna have to grok something, my duck. Almost all of the behaviours you learned there are poison. They will leave you isolated and alone, bitter and angry. Cynical, in your words.

Those behaviours are selfish and ultimately a position of privilege. You have the social capital that you are able to wall off and shower spite on whoever you feel like. Less privileged people die if they do that – they have to rely on others to get by.

Being nice isn’t about being soft and retiring and yielding. It’s about self-control, discipline, and mastery of ones’ emotions. I won’t get into how “niceness” is often reviled by society because it’s coded as being feminine, though I could. I’ll just say that the ability to be considerate in the midst of aggression takes a level of self-control and strength that most people just fail to live up to.

And, since you’re fond of Dunbar’s Number? The social mechanics of that number involve the time requirements in “social grooming” – relationship maintenance. Know what’s required for a social group to maintain those relationships? Nice people. They’re the glue that keeps groups together. And if you never extend niceness to others? You’re a free-rider in the group, weighing it down.

Get off my fucking shoulders.

Welcome to WHTM! I’ll have more to say later; this was all very off the cuff and I’m likely wrong in places. Critiques welcome from all. Bring your A game or get off the pitch.

I dont even know what a sock is?

And once again, Ive gave up on dating ages ago. Dont want advice or tips. Some men arent cut out to date, doesnt make women evil.
Nothing wrong with unattractive men giving up on dating and making peace with themselves.

Again cornychips, Im not the problem here. We need radical incels to change. So how can we achieve that? any suggestions? because more and more men are being radicalised by PUA/MGTOW/INCEL and it needs to stop.

The problem isnt that some guys arent cut out to date. The problem is some guys advocate violence against women. How do we stop that? Open to suggestions guys, ANY IDEAS?

Oh, so you don’t want dating tips, you just want us to help you help the people who hate and want to kill us because if we don’t want to coddle incels and soothe their boner sads, they’ll kill us and it will be all our fault.

My only advice is that we stop telling cishet dudes that women are prizes they get for accomplishments, personal growth or just for existing and start treating women as people. But that’s never what sad boner whiners and their sympathizers want to hear.

Otherwise, figure out how to help them yourself. We don’t want to do it.

Again cornychips, Im not the problem here.

…………………bahhahhaahahahhahah!

Im not the problem here.

hahhahahahahha

ah bless

The problem is some guys advocate violence against women. How do we stop that? Open to suggestions guys, ANY IDEAS?

I mean, not stanning for/legitimizing them would be a start

Throat punching works wonders if you’re close enough. Morally consistent, too.