By David Futrelle
Martin Luther King was famously influenced by Gandhi’s philosophy of nonviolent resistance. So, apparently, are the high-minded civil rights activists of the Men Going Their Own Way movement. Only they hope that they can use this powerful tactic to make the women who won’t have sex with them feel bad about themselves.
![geocitiesuser 85 points 5 months ago Mgtow argues against associating with women, means less potential mates to choose from. This is the number one reason I throw my support behind mgtow. I as an individual can do nothing to punish these c*nts, but this mgtow "seed" could potentially crash the cock market for them, and force them back to a position of not just moral behavior, but crush the self entitlement and ego out of them. That would make me happy. I wish I could see it in my lifetime. permalinkembedsavereportgive goldreply [–]NietzscheExplosion 25 points 5 months ago Exactly. It's war, the Ghandi way. Passive and nonviolent. We are on strike. Frankly it might be forever, but they might get future generations to get back on the plantation if they smarten up and put on the masquerade again.(control their hypergamy)](https://i0.wp.com/www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/gandhi.png?resize=580%2C703&ssl=1)
Yes, fellows. I’m sure women will be absolutely heartbroken to learn that they will be deprived of you.
But if you’re really going to get serious about this whole nonviolent resistance thing you might want to learn how to spell the name “Gandhi.”
Chandler is so me when someone unexpectedly touches me without me having time to mentally prepare
Aww, thanks for the hugs, Jack
@dawnpurityseeker
@rugbyyogi
@solecism
Your conversation about housework (which I am totally butting into, so apologies!) reminded me of a recent post on AVfM, attempting to explain why there are more male CEOs or something. Apparently it’s all down to women liking clean homes too much. This is the best part, so savour it:
(via @TakeDownMRAs b/c there’s no way I’d actually go to the AVfM site)
@Mish, no apologies needed!
Ummm, no? Most people would think that normal. How often do you see the man as the +1 at a predominantly female activity/gathering (especially during the dating stage)? Versus the woman as the +1 at a predominantly male activity/gathering? How often is the woman expected to defer to the man’s preferences in terms of activity, schedule, menu, holiday plans, wevs in a straight relationship? How often does she do so automatically without anything being said? How often does she check in with him about his preferences? And how often does he check in with her about her preferences? How often does he defer to her wants?
Frankly, I would hope that a straight couple would equitably spend time on all sorts of necessary tasks–both housework and tax paperwork. Doesn’t matter if they handle these things jointly or have a personalized or even gendered division of labor as long as the work gets done in a manner acceptable to both parties. Expecting both to keep the household running is not unfair. It’s a required part of adulting.
My standards are pretty damn low. I bought a vacuum for myself a year or more after living in this apartment (and 2+ years after moving out of the house). My ex was the one who brought the vacuums–multiple!–to our cohabitation. He just didn’t use them or otherwise equitably contribute to the household. That included various projects he said he’d do, large and small, from replacing the kitchen sink to installing ceiling hooks. Some of those I tired of waiting and did them myself, or found someone to do them for me. Others, I just gave up on. And I am only now in my 40s developing something of a routine for such tasks as washing the sheets on a regular schedule instead of sporadically when they start to smell a little funny. So yeah, I wasn’t being unfair or unreasonably demanding.
@Feministguy
I am not sure how you can use that handle and simultaneously identify as incel. Does not compute.
Lots of people of all gender flavors don’t experience the sex they would like to. But they don’t make that one particular fact about their lives their self-defining label. And frankly, I would guess that there’s some gender parity in terms of people missing out on this among many other desired life experiences–I imagine lots of women go through life without getting to experience much in the way of dating or consensual sex, as opposed to sexual harassment/assault, which are pretty damn endemic. But even that, some women have reported never having experienced. So those cishet men who make such a big deal about their “incel” status are not some sort of uniquely suffering group of people who have a special burden in life and are just so deeply misunderstood and betrayed by life. That feeling of resentment and betrayal points to the problem being the entitlement and frustrated expectations, not the actual lack of dating/sexual experience.
Regarding being too ugly to date: plenty of people have already pointed to your fundamental attribution error. I will mention Jamie Lee Curtis’s character in A Fish Called Wanda who was incredibly turned on by hearing languages other than English spoken to her.
Human attraction, arousal and sexuality are weird and wondrous phenomena. While the biological mechanics of sex are generally understood, the triggers are about as monolithic as people are. As diverse and amazing as reproductive strategies among all the organisms on this one planet are, far beyond the reduction of male/female heterosexual monogamy, so too relationship models and what any one person might find attractive in another person.
I don’t know you. I have no idea if you are truly “too ugly to date” vs asking out only women who aren’t into you vs women not feeling safe with you vs demographics of yourself compared to the women you asked out or who knows how many different variables. A friend of mine shared a story about someone in the family who was quadraplegic due to an accident in his youth. He went on to get married and raise 8 kids, plus foster many more, along with a notable career in activism. It was his wife’s second marriage, and her ex couldn’t believe that she would choose to marry someone who was largely paralyzed after being with someone conventionally attractive and able-bodied. She told him her new husband was much better in bed. She wasn’t lying. It’s usually not as simple as ugly/pretty, rich/poor, alpha/gamma or whatever bullshit false dichotomy someone dreams up to explain the complexity of life and why they’re unhappy.
Rejection sucks. Sorry that you experienced way too much of it in short order. Not fun. Glad you stepped away to work on building a good life for yourself. That is actually an important and necessary thing. Be satisfied with your life, make it as rewarding and fulfilling as you can with what you have or can build for yourself, and you can offer that wholeness to friends and maybe even potential lovers.
@Jack and @kupo (I think?)
I agree, cancer ward visit as in-person inspiration porn is so not okay.
Fuck all of you. Fuck “feminist”guy for derailing and making the thread about him and fuck the rest of you morons for letting him. If you don’t like what they’re saying make one post pointing out what’s wrong with it and move on.
Don’t engage with these animals. You’re not going to change the instincts that drive them.
And lastly, shame on you, Futrelle, for not banning this asshole.
Okay. What the hell. Why are my posts not going through? Trying again.
Anyway, An on,
@An on
You don’t get to tell me to fuck off for speaking up for myself.
People go to hospitals literally just to gawp at total strangers who are patients????? People do that?
jesus. How callous and self-centred can you get.
If anyone ever had the time and the energy to spare to throw them out (although, really, who could have time for this shit) would that it were from the very top of the hospital steps, and very fucking vigorously.
Speaking up for yourself is one thing, feeding trolls is another.
Anyway let’s go back to talking about Gandhi being a shit heel.
Welcome to WHTM, where we feed trolls until they burst. On which note, eat a bucket of infected Prince Albert piercings and get ‘sploding, fuckbite. I could do with the entertainment.
An on,
feeding trolls until they burst is part of the culture of this place. Seeing their nonsense eloquently
rebutted is a pleasure, and an education. The attention they seek here rarely turns out as they had hoped.
David Futrelle decides on the comments policy here, and has generally chosen to not ban people until they become outright abusive or very very tedious. His blog, his decision.
I’m sorry you consider the sole purpose of this post to be criticism of Gandhi, but many others here consider pushing back against incel-adjacent crap always on topic, not a derailment.
please by all means be the change you want to see, and post some more Gandhi related stuff. Or fuck off, as you prefer.
an on
I don’t think anyone here is feeding this troll anyway. he said some things which mean women of this place must defend themself. you really mean people can’t speak back when someone said somehting unfair in their space? honestly, I think what you said is quite unfair and it is not fair to make people talk about what you only want to talk about. feministguy didn’t dominate this conversation, and everyone who replies to him made good points which I liked to read and anyway this conversation already moved along, so there is no reason now for what you said.
Eh, maybe you’re all right. The truth is I’m a refugee from the whole Chan culture. It just got too obnoxiously racist for me but I always liked the naked hostility. I never got the appeal of being “nice”.
One thing I’ll contribute to this discussion is my take on the idea that saying some guys are too ugly for any woman to want them is inherently anti-feminist and implies women are shallow.
I’ve actually seen many radical feminists argue recently that women shouldn’t be afraid to be “shallow”. That society unfairly pressures women to sublimate their desires and accept the advances of men that don’t sexually excite them because women are socialized to be “agreeable” and not put their own needs first. I can’t help but wonder if the rather intense reaction to that one aspect of feministguy’s whining is some kind of internalized misogyny.
Of course this all assumes everybody has the same ideal of attractiveness, which many people here have already argued against.
Then again, under ideal conditions, sexual attractiveness should be based on what’s healthy and will pass on good genes to the next generation. Anything else falls under the category of paraphilia and fetishization.
I realize criticizing other people’s sexual preferences is considered a big no-no outside of the pray the gay away set nowadays but study after study has linked paraphilias to sex crimes and every day you hear all kinds of horror stories coming out of various fetish communities. Things like fat fetishism, teratophilia and disability fetishism are more about possession and control than reproductive instinct.
It’s become such a huge, cliche incel talking point that men are so much better than women because men are far more willing to date women with a variety of body types while women will either ignore or cheat on guys who aren’t over 6 feet with big dicks, but the truth is men only go for women who aren’t conventionally attractive because they think they can control them and that they should feel grateful for being with anybody.
Another interesting fact is that thin women who are really into obese men are almost universally unabashedly into sexual sadism, whereas guys with fat fetishes hide it behind a lot of virtue-signalling B.S. about defying “society’s” standards of beauty.
But then maybe I’m just too cynical.
what? really? this is “the truth”? ? maybe I don’t understand but I am a man and I will say what someone looks like is very last thing on my list if i will stay with them and love them and live together. yes it someone is very handsome I would like to know them and see who they are – but really if they have personality which doesn’t mix with mine, their handsome fave will not save them. when I first met my girlfriend I honestly thought, she is not exactly what kind of appearance I usually feel attraction – but when she asked me to go for dinner I said yes, because I wanted to know her and see who she is, and I seen she is perfect for me. we are perfect together and happy. we are together now for almost 8 years already.
Wow, An on!
What a deft repositioning of your goalposts!
Suddenly every male-attracted woman here is supposedly a victim of internalised misogyny or, even worse(!), fetishism, if she doesn’t value looks over character. Well done, you!
Please tell us more about your evo-psych theories, and your own personal, far loftier paradigm of attraction. Let’s just get it over with.
Some citations for your unsupported claims would also be nice.
@An on
Are any of those studies you mentioned actually credible? Peer-reviewed, published in respected scientific journals, good methodology, etc. I just want to make sure this isn’t just you hiding your prejudice and devotion to conformity behind whatever small nuggets of scientific truth you can find. That’s all.
So… I’m parsing this as “if I don’t find someone attractive, their partner doesn’t either, and must just be using them?”
(Full disclosure: I’m taking this a bit personally — none of the men I have ever pined over would have been listed in People Magazine’s “sexiest men of the year” list. We all have different tastes.)
@An on
Keep telling the people here to “fuck off” and you’ll learn it. ?
I’ll be back with links to some of the studies I mentioned. They were linked on a friend’s blog but the search thing on it is fucked so I messaged them about it and I’m just waiting to hear back.
Oh. Oh, dear. After your initial “fuck you” comment, I was going to ask if you were ok (and I hope that you are), but you are not in the right place with those kind of ideas. There’s just so much wrong in those two sentences.
Also, huge side-eye at “radical feminists.” Not that there aren’t any radical feminists who aren’t TERFs but most of the time when I see that description, they are.
@ An On
That does sound a teensy bit eugenic.
And I’m not convinced that we do have that drive to pass on ‘good genes’. I haven’t noticed any innate aversion to contraception that we struggle to overcome.
But attractiveness must be one of the most subjective things around.
@An on, your bullshit will not fly here (irrespective of whether you are trolling or you really are just that blinkered).
Incidentally, for anyone trying to get taken seriously even on today’s date, it may have escaped your notice that waltzing in barking peremptory orders right from the off is not a good look. Aggressive arrogance – especially with zero actual information to offer – tends not to go down well.
@kupo
They’re a refugee from the chans. I’m willing to bet that anything more feminist than a baked Ivanka Trump is “radical”.
@DawnPurityseeker
Good point. I was assuming either TERF or the actual definition of radical feminist, but you could probably substitute “shrill harpy” here.