By David Futrelle
Imagine being so invested in the idea of Donald Trump as a Sex Lord that you hallucinate — or simply invent — a quote from Stormy Daniels as “proof” of the Donald’s prowess.
That’s what our dear friend, the floridly racist, lady-hating pickup guru who calls himself Heartiste has done. In a recent blog post, he announced (with, one presumes, a swelling of pride) that
Stormy Daniels alluded on-air in 2007 that Trump was “the best sex she ever had”. Reminder that this was when Trump was in his 60s, and she was a porn whore who had taken untold numbers of cock to all of her holes. Add her to the list of Trump’s lovers who have said the same about his bedroom prowess. (Also add to the list of Trump qualities that drive shitlibs insane with rage and envy.)
I suppose it might, if it were true. But it’s not. As Heartiste would have surely realized had he actually read the article he posted as proof with any degree of care. Here’s Heartiste’s proof, in the form of a “meme” that it looks like he put together himself, adding a weird anti-Semitic rant to a screenshot from the Daily Beast.
Here’s the highlighted line from the Daily Beast article, in case you can’t read the tiny blurry type:
She also said it was “horribly embarrassing” that this person was the best in bed out of the three names listed, and she claimed he had contacted her “twice a month.”
Emphasis mine. Though the Daily Beast summary doesn’t make it completely clear (though the original article that was its source does), Mr. The Love Sponge didn’t ask Ms. Damiels to write down the name of everyone she’d ever slept with, just the famous ones. Of those three famous people, she said Trump was the best. Which means the other two must have been just terrible, because in recent months she has not exactly said terribly flattering things about Trump’s bedroom moves.
In a famous interview with In Touch magazine, Daniels described her first “date” with Trump in his hotel bedroom:
He was sitting on the bed and he was like, ‘Come here.’ And I was like, ‘Ugh, here we go.’ And we started kissing.
She told In Touch that the sex itself “was textbook generic,” adding
I actually don’t even know why I did it, but I do remember while we were having sex, I was like, “Please, don’t try to pay me.”
What a sex god.
Now there was one woman who was famously quoted as saying that sex with Trump was “the best sex I ever had.” That was his ex-wife Marla Maples.
But earlier this year Maples told a Page Six reporter that
I never said that, someone else said that. [But] is it true? I’m not going to talk about that. The truth will come out, just not here.
We’ll just have to see what Stormy says tonight. [EDITED TO ADD, POST INTERVIEW: If you check out the transcript of the interview you will see that it didn’t exactly back up the “Stormy thought Trump was a sex god” theory. I’ve pasted some appropriate bits in the comments below.]
Not that it really matters if The Donald is a stud or a dud (though, I mean, come on; how could someone so utterly self-absorbed possibly be good at sex?). What’s amusing to me is that it seems to matter so much not just to Mr. Trump himself but to so many of his most fervid fans.
Remington has suffered a considerable drop in quality since they became The Freedom Group (blech) in 2007, but they had been suffering from poor sales for years before then. Apparently they did not turn a profit from 2003-2005.
I think its more of a coincidence that its happening now that Trump is in, rather its decades of bad management.
I know I wouldn’t buy another Remington after my 1000$ .308 needed a recall because their quality control department just happened to miss a problem with the models trigger that could have cause an accidental discharge. ?
The consent discussion is interesting. I think both that a lot of things are rape that people tend not to think of as rape, but also that there’s room for shitty and unwanted sex which still isn’t rape, and thirdly that if we had a better culture around sex overall we’d have less of that and that would be really desirable.
Lastly I wanna say that I actually don’t think you can always take someone’s word for whether something was rape or not and that it’s always up to the victim to decide. For instance, suppose a wife is taught that there’s no such thing as marital rape. Her husband forces himself on her, but because she dowesn’t recognize marital rape as a thing, she doesn’t think of it as rape. Well, I think she’s objectively wrong here. It’s possible to be wrong about what happened to you was rape or not. (And you could be wrong for slightly less dramatic reasons than this.)
That said, it’s not clear to me how to judge the Stormy Daniels case so let’s suspend judgement.
As I undetstand it, the Remington reorganization effectively destroys the Sandy Hook parent’s class action lawsuit against the company.
A pity.
@Barney Miller
Its possible that scary-black-president panic buying kept them going for a while but then that ended and trump slump kicked in and killed them.
@PeeVee the Tired
I did not think of that! It could be a legal ass covering maneuver.
@Treeperson
Sounds plausible to me, the right screamed about Obama “coming for your guns” at every opportunity and there were record high sales all through his presidency.
Someone a few weeks ago in another forum pointed out that a problem with guns, from the manufacturers’ perspective, is that they really don’t wear out, if properly cared for – the rise of the present-day version NRA may partly have been due to them realizing that they had to come up with a new marketing strategy.
“Virtue signalling” also falls within this theory.
This weekend has been such a stark reminder that Trumperism is every bit as much about misogyny as it is racism and nativism.
Between evangelicals supporting Trump and attacking Stormy Daniels even though he was the one that was married and he was the only one of the two sending out goons to make death threats (so much for religious conservatives only being benevolent sexists, huh?) and the increasingly vicious attacks on Emma Gonzales it’s starting to feel like we’re all living in a reddit thread or something. Anyone else notice that out of all the Parkland student activists, Gonzales is getting the most vitriol? All of them are getting hate from the right, but she seems to be the subject of the nastiest and most personal attacks.
Yep. It’s pretty obvious.
And the reason they are all being attacked? The kids’ve got some serious money to keep on fighting with.
This isn’t a flash in the pan thing.
WWTH,
Keith Raniere has been arrested.
https://apnews.com/amp/5792b1ec7c0446629dcd7e13aaf5025d
@Dvarghundspossen
Excellent point.
Also, I’m old enough to remember when marital rape was legally not rape. I hung on the details of Greta Rideout’s testimony against her husband, John Rideout, in the notorious 1978 Oregon case. He was ultimately acquitted, but — surprise! (joke: I’m not surprised that he raped again) — he was recently convicted of raping two women. The conviction? That is a surprise.
http://torontosun.com/2017/03/17/john-rideout-who-was-acquitted-in-1978-rape-of-wife-guilty-of-sexually-assault-ex-girlfriend-church-acquaintance/wcm/6fa2aaca-3e1a-439f-8f2f-54302f456b51
My own take on the Stormy Daniels interview is that Anderson Cooper was attempting to distinguish between a physically coerced act of sex and “consent.”
That said, there’s a lot more involved in consent.
If I were in Stormy Daniels’ situation, I would certainly be wondering whether the choice was (1) sex now and then getting the hell out of the room and (2) first being beaten (and possibly never recovering) and then being raped. And then getting the hell out of the room — if I could.
Either way, of course, Trump is still a sexy, sexy sex god/statesman.
Which by an amazing coincidence was the year they were bought out by a private equity firm– and we’ve seen how those folks manage.
“Ugh, here we go,” does not equate to “best sex I ever had,” no matter how you look at it. That would be pretty damn sad.
I actually think that to Shartiste, if women say to themselves “ugh here we go” and have sex with a man anyway, that man is an alpha sex god. Because to them it’s only winning if they persuade an unenthused woman to allow him to sex at her. It’s alpha to dominate a woman into joyless sex. It’s beta to have fun sex with an enthusiastic partner.
@ Katamount,
“At that point, little Jenny’s a lost cause. Probably listens to the Satan music and smokes the crazy weed too!”
Wait, you know us how? Are you the guy who just went to get beer? If so, when you get back, park on the street and come up the back stairs.
😀
I and my associates here are really bad girls, we dared to get education, in (manly) sci and biz no less!
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Can add some Satan Music! that we were just listening to 🙂
@Z&T
Danzig is best Satan Music.
Even if Remington goes bankrupt the name will continue. Someone will buy it to market guns. Perhaps the Moonie controlled Kahr Arms, as they’ve bought several brands over the years.
@ WWTH
Well said and spot on, too. Isn’t that the whole PUA schtick in a nutshell?
I really don’t care about Trump having sex, and would rather not imagine it… but my goodness how this sorry tale speaks to character!
Who’da thunk it that the man who said “Often when I was sleeping with one of the top women in the world I would say to myself ‘Can you believe what I am getting?'” might be really rubbish in the sack.
Something you “get”, which reflects on your status, and where the other person counts only in terms of the status you rate them at… Ugh…
As for the evangelicals, nothing surprises me since I saw that pastor struggling to explain how Bill Clinton’s infidelities reflect badly on Hillary while Trump’s open bragging about sexual assault (and the pursuit of a recently-married woman) didn’t reflect badly on the Donald.
Re: PUA
We were having a bit of a laugh a while back on Discord over an article from ROK. It was by a guy who’d moved to a new place. He was explaining his guaranteed no fail approach to picking up women.
He first contacted 100 women on some dating app. He got four responses. Of those four “Three of them ghosted me after I’d spoken to them”. Hah, that showed them, he wasn’t fool enough to fall for their ‘shit test’.
One woman though did arrange to meet him. Yet despite him ‘maintaining frame’ she left the bar without telling him.
His take from this? The local women has been infected by hypergamy or something and had an over inflated opinion of their own ‘SMV’.
Thing is, this wasn’t a spoof or anything, this was a genuine PUA Guru giving his advice. The lack of self awareness was mind boggling, almost beautiful in a way, it was so perfect.
On that notion that the Parkland students are faking, or paid actors, or being manipulated:
Scildfreja commented that:
This is no doubt the case for some (or most) of those people, but for others, I think it’s more what Katamount described – they literally cannot see why anyone would act in ways that don’t serve themselves, first and foremost. Altruism isn’t something they approve of; it’s something they absolutely hate, and/or refuse to believe in.
I think this is a common thread in hardcore NRA types, PUAs, MRAs, MGTOWs, etc. etc., and one reason why people like J Peterson are worshipped.
@starfury
I very much identify with basically everything you said in your post – thank you
@bluecat
Yes, exactly. The only time I ever felt remotely close to that was when I had sex with a friend who was (to me, anyway) incredibly physically attractive. But even then, my feeling was more like “holy crap this beautiful person is having sex with me!! I am so damn lucky!!”
@ Mish of the Catlady…
I’d say that’s a fine way to feel: lucky and blessed in the other person.
May we all be so lucky!
Oh, I don’t disagree, Mish! I just don’t think those people are all that common compared to others. The hardcore randian misers certainly despise anyone who’s generous or thoughtful to others, and there’s certainly a cultural disapproval of being “nice”. Being compassionate and thoughtful is, y’know, feminine. Ew.
But I do still think that the biggest chunk of it’s just plain old confirmation bias. Mostly because confirmation bias doesn’t take a conscious effort to explain why something’s going on.
Maybe there’s more of an admix than i’d previously thought. Hm! Interesting.
What the hell is “maintaining frame” and “breaking frame” bullshit? I am completely lost on that one.
Also, I had this epiphany a couple weeks ago that all of these struggles in the so-called culture wars are about the fundamental philosophical divide between those who value property rights and those who value human rights, whether it’s talking about guns, police violence, reproductive rights, consent, any of it. You are property vs you are a fellow being in this world with the right to exist because you exist. Full stop.