By David Futrelle
Imagine being so invested in the idea of Donald Trump as a Sex Lord that you hallucinate — or simply invent — a quote from Stormy Daniels as “proof” of the Donald’s prowess.
That’s what our dear friend, the floridly racist, lady-hating pickup guru who calls himself Heartiste has done. In a recent blog post, he announced (with, one presumes, a swelling of pride) that
Stormy Daniels alluded on-air in 2007 that Trump was “the best sex she ever had”. Reminder that this was when Trump was in his 60s, and she was a porn whore who had taken untold numbers of cock to all of her holes. Add her to the list of Trump’s lovers who have said the same about his bedroom prowess. (Also add to the list of Trump qualities that drive shitlibs insane with rage and envy.)
I suppose it might, if it were true. But it’s not. As Heartiste would have surely realized had he actually read the article he posted as proof with any degree of care. Here’s Heartiste’s proof, in the form of a “meme” that it looks like he put together himself, adding a weird anti-Semitic rant to a screenshot from the Daily Beast.
Here’s the highlighted line from the Daily Beast article, in case you can’t read the tiny blurry type:
She also said it was “horribly embarrassing” that this person was the best in bed out of the three names listed, and she claimed he had contacted her “twice a month.”
Emphasis mine. Though the Daily Beast summary doesn’t make it completely clear (though the original article that was its source does), Mr. The Love Sponge didn’t ask Ms. Damiels to write down the name of everyone she’d ever slept with, just the famous ones. Of those three famous people, she said Trump was the best. Which means the other two must have been just terrible, because in recent months she has not exactly said terribly flattering things about Trump’s bedroom moves.
In a famous interview with In Touch magazine, Daniels described her first “date” with Trump in his hotel bedroom:
He was sitting on the bed and he was like, ‘Come here.’ And I was like, ‘Ugh, here we go.’ And we started kissing.
She told In Touch that the sex itself “was textbook generic,” adding
I actually don’t even know why I did it, but I do remember while we were having sex, I was like, “Please, don’t try to pay me.”
What a sex god.
Now there was one woman who was famously quoted as saying that sex with Trump was “the best sex I ever had.” That was his ex-wife Marla Maples.
But earlier this year Maples told a Page Six reporter that
I never said that, someone else said that. [But] is it true? I’m not going to talk about that. The truth will come out, just not here.
We’ll just have to see what Stormy says tonight. [EDITED TO ADD, POST INTERVIEW: If you check out the transcript of the interview you will see that it didn’t exactly back up the “Stormy thought Trump was a sex god” theory. I’ve pasted some appropriate bits in the comments below.]
Not that it really matters if The Donald is a stud or a dud (though, I mean, come on; how could someone so utterly self-absorbed possibly be good at sex?). What’s amusing to me is that it seems to matter so much not just to Mr. Trump himself but to so many of his most fervid fans.
@JoeB
Oh sweet baby spaghetti monster, I was eating breakfast when I read that. *pukes in soul*
@ Alan Robertshaw.
It sounds like the antiheamorrhagics you are most familiar with are chitosan based. Looks like interesting stuff, (just looked it up) I’ll ask She Who Must Be Obeyed about it. She’s a nurse so she might know a bit more, or simply be professionally intrigued.
@Alan
If memory serves, you’re Devils Own (Devils Royal here, though we’re now the Tigers, which isn’t as fun)?
You’ll get updated on it, yes. Getting access to it though … TA and home regiments are waaaayyyy down the list. Got to use up the leftovers from the last three wars somehow! 😛
I’m pretty sure kids already are being taught CPR and the Heimlich and things. When I was in high school we went through the first aid certification training for health class. It’s a false dilemma that poopjizz was presenting as a deflection.
On the Stormy Daniels consent thing. If she said it’s consensual, I don’t think we can argue with how she experienced it. On the other hand, it says a lot that her reaction being alone with Trump and discovering he expected sex was that she put herself in a bad situation so she might as well just do it. She consented to sex she didn’t want to avoid non-consensual sex in part because she knew she would be to blame if she said no and he didn’t listen.
This is exactly why we say we live in a rape culture and it’s exactly why that feminist quote* about how no sex can truly be consensual in a patriarchy is relevant even today. I think the reason anti-feminists get so up in arms about that quote and the term rape culture is because they know damn well women consent to unwanted sex to take the path of least resistance all the time. This benefits men by allowing some of them – particularly the ones who are assholes – to get laid without worrying about their partner’s enjoyment. It benefits men by keeping women doing things like networking and forming mentor relationships with men in the industries they want careers in because that puts us in “bad situations.” It gives men such a leg up when it comes to their careers that they don’t have to worry they’re only being given an opportunity in exchange for a sexual favor. They no that quote isn’t saying literally that all sex is rape. They no rape culture doesn’t mean all men are rapists. It’s just that replacing rape culture with affirmative consent culture will take away a whole lot of male privilege and that scares them.
* I just woke up after having taken ibuprofen PM last night so I’m a bit groggy and not feeling like looking up the quote and who said it right now. But I think you all know which quote I’m talking about.
@ shadowplay
I was going to be Inns of Court Regiment (or 68 Inns of Court & City and Yeomanry as we refuse to call it; that mix of the ‘and’ and the ampersand just won’t do). I also looked at HAC. But then I got told I could do everything they wanted from me as a civvie contractor. All the hotels and none of the getting shot at appealed rather more.
I have been toying with the idea of 6 Rifles though; so long as they promise not to deploy me anywhere unpleasant.
I know what you mean about the courses; I used to deliver a few up at Halton. But funnily enough I’ve got some friends from Hereford and they were complaining that the reserves are getting all the best kit now because they’ve got a choice so they need to bribe them.
*sigh* Yup, just knew the MAGA-CHUDs were going to high-five each other on the news that their God-Emperor cheated on his wife with an adult actress.
I get the impression that this mindset comes from a latent authoritarian expectation combined with an astonishment that people can be altruistic in their desire to change the existing systems that govern society. If little Johnny obeys and respects his elders, goes to church and joins mommy and daddy at the local “Let’s Harass Some Planned Parenthood Employees” gathering, then he’s being a mature boy wiser than his years. Now if little Jenny goes to a different church and her pastor/reverend urges her to take care of the poor and she joins Habitat for Humanity, she’s doing what a good God-fearing and charitable Christian does, but once she starts agitating for say, improved housing provisions for the poor in her own community, she has nothing to gain from that! Why ever would Jenny do something not in her own rational self-interest? Not only is she caring about the poors that her parents have been ignoring, they might have to devote some of their hard-earned tax dollars to taking care of their fellow man. Can’t have any of that!
And heaven forfend she starts thinking her parents are in the wrong for their opinions on the poors! At that point, little Jenny’s a lost cause. Probably listens to the Satan music and smokes the crazy weed too!
It’s like that famous Dom Helder Camara quote:
@ katamount
Yeah, I suspect though “Honour your father and your mother” suddenly becomes less of an injunction if little Jenny rebels against her hippy parents’ ideals and starts hanging around the John Birch Society.
This might be an example of a new technique used by the alt-right. I’ve seen it on Brietbart and of course in countless comments.
They add links to “back up” their claims, even though the links debunk them. They just assume that you won’t check, and most of their readers probably don’t.
Makes them seem a little more believable I guess, and by the time anyone points it most people have moved on anyway.
@Alan
Indeed; if little Jenny grows up to become Sarah Palin, then she’s obeying the higher authority (white Jesus or somesuch).
@Alan
Hotels? I’ve heard rumours – nay, myths! – of such places on a deployment.
6th Rifles though … you’d be taking your chances with unsavory deployments there. The poor sods train on Dartmoor, FFS! 😛
@wwth
Yep. Stormy Daniels said it were consensual – we got no call nor right to dispute her statement on that. Her word is good enough.
(I’m making the assumption there that she does know what consent is – think it’s a fair assumption, her being a functioning adult.)
Incidentally, I’m cheered to see that the gun manufacturer Remington has filed for chapter 11 (though sad for the workers who are likely to lose their jobs). Seems the Trump presidency hasn’t been good for gun sales: without a scary black man coming for your guns, Remington’s sales fell by over 27% in the first nine months. Though I think Remington were already in a precarious state.
I suspect that any woman who has worked in the adult industry is more aware than most of consent and its boundaries.
@Moggie
Same here, but I’ve seen it today in a few places: variations on “She couldn’t have consented, she must be wrong,” or hedging it about with conditionals.
Pisses me off, that. Talk about removing a person’s agency.
What WWTH said.
Re Daniels consenting, I got the feeling in the interview that she didn’t say she consented. She started to talk through her feelings about the murky consent involved, then Anderson Cooper cut her off with the phrase “You consented” and she chose not to contradict him.
I’m guessing that the reason why Cooper talked over Daniels like this is at least partly to do with him not wanting to be responsible for a broadcast in which a thin-skinned litigation-prone bully gets openly called a rapist. If that’s true then that’s shitty and cowardly of him, but it’s at least an understandable cowardice.
Ultimately, she’s the only one who gets to say whether she consented or not; and she’s also the only one who gets an opinion on whether she’s going to discuss it any further or not.
Regarding the consent thing:
It certainly wasn’t enthusiastic consent. And Cooper talked over here before she could say either way.
That was rather disappointing.
I don’t think it’s as complicated as
It’s just a raw rationalization, I think. They feel that the other side is bad, wrong, misguided, etc, so if they see people on the other side behaving in ways they approve (altruistically, generously) there is a disconnect between “person I disapprove of (liberal!)” and “behaviour I approve of (altruism!)” So their brains do a search to reconnect them, some way for it to make sense again, given what they know and believe.
Anything that makes that connection activates more brain regions than anything that makes the disconnect wider / creates additional conflict. “Crisis actor” feels more right to them, because it confirms things they already feel to be true. It puts unconscious tensions to bed and lets them reform a whole picture of the world.
Confirmation bias, basically. Things that confirm the picture they already believe to be true are more believable than those which don’t. “Crisis Actor” confirms the belief that all good Americans hate gun control, confirms that they’re on the “Good” side, confirms that the enemy is devious and duplicitous. It all settles into place.
That is my take on it at least!
Could it be in part a longterm structural development?
Like, gun stockpilers are largely strapped for cash after eight years of stockpiling under Obama?
Or, stockpilers are increasingly buying secondhand guns since some other stockpilers have died and their children inherited nothing but guns – that were mostly unused and well kept?
Maybe there’s a limit to how many guns Americans can be persuaded to own?
On Stormy Daniels not giving enthusiastic consent, and saying “I’m not a victim”, and Cooper basically shoving the words at her… ugh. Well, it paints a pretty clear picture of the world, at least.
Was it rape? Not for me to decide; that’s for her. The fact that she felt that she had to do something she didn’t want to do is pretty damning, though. Distasteful choices in which all options are bad, and you just get to decide which flavour of awful you want. This is the world we live in.
Cooper might have been talking over her in order to avoid some potential lawsuit, maybe. Or he could just be some dude talking over a woman because he’s a powerful dude talking to a woman our society has deemed to be morally culpable, and heaven forbid a powerful man talk over a woman much less one working in adult entertainment. He did a good job at letting her finish her sentences most of the time, at least. Good for you, Mr Cooper.
I appear to have broken my sarcasm ladle
My response to Heartiste’s latest flight of fancy: If a lover doesn’t pay attention to your responses and adjusts accordingly, then I don’t care if they know every move in the Kama Sutra. Consideration is almost as sexy as consent. Plain ol’ missionary can be the best sex you’ve ever had if your partner is paying attention to you (however you care to define it).
Yeah, I’m not going to call her a victim if that’s not how she chooses to see it. But I think it’s crystal clear that if we lived in a society with no rape culture where affirmative consent was the norm the sex wouldn’t have happened.
How many women (and men too for that matter) say yes to sex not because they want to but because saying no could cause problems in some way or another? Many. If not most. Does Donald Trump know that and take advantage of it? I’m sure he does. As do a whole lot of other men. This is why I tend to avoid men who get defensive when the topic of rape culture comes up. These men may not be rapists in the forcing themselves on someone sense or a get a woman too drunk to fight him sense. But they’re probably the type of guys who like to put women in “tough situations” where they might say yes just to avoid hurting his feelings or causing trouble.
Because gamergaters can’t just blow away like an unwelcome fart:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/krishrach/comicsgate
Yes, harrassment is involved. Yes, it is primarily targeted at women who dare work in comics.
Hmm. I don’t really recall learning much about consent. And I sure as hell didn’t know the difference between consent and compliance until middle age. Most of the sexual encounters in my life have involved the latter not the former on my part. And a lot of it was due simply to growing up in rape culture and what a mindfuck it is. Like, I had no concept that I could have sexual agency. That changing my mind was even possible. I thought that I should have expected it (sex because we were alone together). That blue balls or being a cocktease are The Worst Thing in the World. And on and on.
A lot of the sexual trauma I’ve experienced is partly self-inflicted to some degree (whole lot of “shoulding” on myself). But it also points to how few of my sexual partners have been considerate or concerned with my needs or helped me figure out my own desires and agency. I take that to be the norm, really. And have retired from the field.
Yeah, there’s a whole lot of ick about the original situation being revealed, and the reactions of folks like Heartiste. I don’t feel the need to follow people’s links and further need eye bleach.
@Lumipuna: I hope that’s the case. I’ve thought about that, too. I realize some people collect rare, historical, and antique guns, but it’s logical to assume a certain point is eventually reached…
Not to mention – gun permits, taxes, insurance, storage – all the ancillary costs.
The consent thing
A lot of varying reasons have been covered here well but I just wanted to add some anecdotal reasons into the mix. I’ve had sex with quite a few people I didn’t want to just coz it was easier than not to. I used to drink a lot and it would make me completely indifferent at times. Two of those encounters ended without anyone getting off (1 count of brewers droop and one I stopped because he was painfully big and mishandling it) and I never felt in danger or unable to say no. There have also been times I’ve done it so as not to hurt someones feelings. We have some real social problems regarding sex and I want to work towards addressing them so that everyone is having continuous-enthusiastic-consent sex. I don’t feel like I was unduly pressured to have sex with people I didn’t want to but some might see it as I’ve been socially conditioned to be a people-pleaser in bad ways. I dunno.
TL:DR
I have sexed people I didn’t want to do the sex with, entirely without pressure to do so, because I was indifferent towards the act. No hard feelings. Enthusiastic consent sex is (obviously) the ideal we should be striving for as a society.
Re: Gun companies in trouble; most products reach market saturation eventually. You may have hit the nail on the head.