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There is no such thing as a woman good at sex: Part 1 in a new series, “MGTOWs explain sex”

If a woman moves during sex, she’s probably a slut

By David Futrelle

So today I’d like to present the first post in what I hope will become a long-running series: MGTOWs Explain Sex.

Because who knows sex better than dudes who’ve loudly declared their independence from women but for some reason spend their every waking moment obsessing over them? Who better to turn to for advice on sex than straight dudes who hate women so thoroughly they center their very identity around this hatred?

As you read the first entry in this series, drawn from the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, I think you’ll understand just how valuable their advice can be.

ZCnegan 29 points 2 months ago* Women are not supposed to be skilled at sex. Sex is done by the male. The woman just takes it. There is no such a thing as women good at sex. There are women that are hot and women that are not hot. Some women that are hot have less sex appeal than other aparently less hot women, but that has nothing to do with them moving more or less in the bed. They can however be better in the bed if they do what we tell them to do. If they scream, being submissive, or if they talk dirty, or whatever fits your taste. This is why sex dolls can replace them... It is a feminist era idea that women can be active in the bed. Women orgasm with rape. Women orgasm with men that dont care about their orgasm. Women do not orgasm if they understand that you are trying to make them orgasm.

One commenter found that final sentence to be a little confusing. Happily, other commenters were able to explain its implications to him.

Sumo94 9 points 2 months ago That last sentence is disheartening. So I should just be focusing on me busting a nut? permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]LeykisP1 6 points 2 months ago Yes. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]UK_Garce 3 points 2 months ago Why else would you have sex? permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]Sumo94 3 points 2 months ago To please her? permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]wawakaka 5 points 2 months ago that's what i used to think...

MGTOW sexmaster ZCnegan went on to urge his fellow MGTOWs to avoid eating soy foods. And ass.

ZCnegan 2 points 2 months ago* ?? Do you remember when you are at the peak of your hormones in puberty? Or when you were at peak testosterone? You wouldnt see women as anything but sex objects. Thats your natural state of male sexuality. Similar to lions. It is modern society, estrogen foods, that makes men clingy. permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]Sumo94 2 points 2 months ago Is that why eating ass is a thing now? What foods have estrogen? I feel like I have a lot of that bs permalinkembedsaveparentreportgive goldreply [–]ZCnegan 2 points 2 months ago in the sidebar of mgtow there is KETO. Google estrogen in foods. Remove soy, gluten, processed foods from your diet. Or just cut the head of the snake all together and go Keto.

ZCnegan 1 point 2 months ago Also. Anal sex is great. And it keeps women naturally submissive. Do not eat ass, unless you wanna end with all kinds of infections and diseases. If that really turns you on, at least do it while in the shower when she is the most clean. Is that why eating ass is a thing now? What foods have estrogen? Dont eat woman ass, its full of estrogen. Just kidding lol

I hope all you men reading this are taking notes. Ladies, you don’t need to write anything down. All you need to do in order to do the sex properly is to lie there motionless until you are given further instructions (re screaming, talking dirty, etc) by the appropriate dude.

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Lucrece
Lucrece
3 years ago

Mr Bad Hat blathered:

Heterosexual men don’t love other men because…why would we when we have heterosexual women? We CisHets can’t help it really.

I’ma keep this for the next time my high school students ask me to explain ‘begging the question’.

Lucrece
Lucrece
3 years ago

@Pretty Pink Punnani Princess

These men are obsessed with lions…male lions because it soothes their need to be these alpha kings, “king of the jungle.”

You know, that’s always bothered me. Why are lions kings (or queens) of the jungle? IANAB, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen David Attenborough crawling through dense foliage to find a lion. A tiger, maybe. Or some other big cat. But not lions. I could maybe be persuaded to call them Kings/Queens of the Savannah.

I could be wrong though.

Catalpa
Catalpa
3 years ago

The intersection between the sentences “sex is done by the male, the woman just takes it” and “women orgasm with rape” makes me feel ill and I sincerely hope the this dude goes his own way and never interacts with a woman again.

Otrame
Otrame
3 years ago

@Lucrece

You are not wrong. Lions are plains creatures. The king of the jungle thing came from19th century tales written by people who had never been to Africa, or were writing for people who thought Africa was all jungles.

Also, I think they like lions because the females do most of the work but the males get their choice of the kill the females made and then hang around doing nothing except running other males off.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

@Ace

You know how much muscle control is required to not move AT ALL? That would absolutely require skill and iron control.

I can testify it does indeed require ridiculous amounts of self control (or alcohol). Interesting experience though.

@Oddly Didactic Troll Person

Weird. Never realised men can’t love men. Got a few friends I’d drop everything for. Die for – literally. Guess that’s just mild affection for the fuckwits then.

Nothing else to add – you’ve been expertly deconstructed to parts and the parts condemned as U/S – but a small observation on your nym, maybe? People who call themselves bad ass invariably … aren’t. Go increase your wrist diameter or peel a grape or something.

Samantha Kaswell
Samantha Kaswell
3 years ago

Okay. So…if I move or voluntarily, on my own, express pleasure with my mate, I am a slut or, at best, unnatural.

I am beginning to think that Lysistrata had the right idea, if we modify it a bit. No sex with any man who is a war mongering, sexist, violent, STUPID, woman hating, non-bathing, know-it-all, asshat. Not until they stop this idiocy, stop damaging everything and everyone around them, and come up with a better reason for their continued existence.

Please feel free to add any other qualifiers. I know that there must be many.

Doesn’t look good for sooo many of the testosterone laden darlings, does it? On the other hand, it does look good for the guys who see themselves and women as human first and whatever gender they identify as second. Kinda like the guy with whom I have shared a life and created a family for the last 46 years.

Hmmm…better get on this fast. The world is in serious trouble and doesn’t have heaps of time. And we might just change human history…weeding out the so-called alphas…having more fun with folk who see us as we really are…shouting our orgasmic pleasure to the skies together.

The Real Cie
3 years ago

Since sex dolls can replace women according to these ass clowns, why don’t they just get a sex doll and shut the hell up already?

TreePerson
TreePerson
3 years ago

OK so as an amab (enby) person who is attracted to women (and being pan others) I really prefer (or even need) an active partner,
dominant or submissive if my partner is just laying there complete still its just not fun and something is probably very (like call an ambulance) wrong.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@MrBadAss

Is your name an homage to Roosh V by any chance?

Men adore women

Uh, have you read the OP? Or almost any other post on this blog since it was started? Hint: there’s not a whole lot of adoration happening.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

I do remember that the idea that lion don’t hunt is an outdated idea too. The solitary one hunt (obviously …) and when in prides the males tend to serve two roles : warding off hyenas, and leading the hunt for the biggest prey. The first one being not terribly physically demanding most of the time, but rather important.

Since that was a long time ago that I did that whole biology thing, I might have mixed things.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Sometimes the males drive the antelope towards the females as part of the hunt (that roar ain’t just for showing off and posing – it’s a tool that kicks off the panicked flight reflex in most animals. The spook roar is the worst – you can’t tell where it’s coming from). Seen that in action myself.

“Lions do this” presented as concrete fact bugs me – lions are no more monolithic than people. No mammalian species is. Different prides have different ways of doing things. The line between innate actions and learned actions is rather blurry.

Feministguy
Feministguy
3 years ago

MOST mgtows nowadays are guys who are unable to date or get laid who are just ranting. My rule is never talk and engage in a discussion if you dont know what you are talking about, you will just look stupid.

As a guy who is a 24 year old virgin, I have and wont ever talk about sex and intimacy. I know nothing about it, will never know anything about it (porn is not exactly realistic and I stopped watching porn 2 years ago) so I wont pretend that I understand sex as it will make me sound like a flippin idiot

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Women are not supposed to be skilled at sex. Sex is done by the male. The woman just takes it. There is no such a thing as women good at sex. There are women that are hot and women that are not hot. Some women that are hot have less sex appeal than other aparently less hot women, but that has nothing to do with them moving more or less in the bed. They can however be better in the bed if they do what we tell them to do. If they scream, being submissive, or if they talk dirty, or whatever fits your taste. This is why sex dolls can replace them…

It is a feminist era idea that women can be active in the bed. Women orgasm with rape. Women orgasm with men that dont care about their orgasm. Women do not orgasm if they understand that you are trying to make them orgasm.

Where the heck do women get the idea that they can be good in bed? That they have any needs other than to please some guy? That they don’t like rape?

Where do all these ideas that oppose ZCnegan’s come from? It’s just bizarre that women should think they have any value other than to prop up some guy’s ego. Clearly, these ideas cannot come from any woman’s lived experience.

And yet . . . women (and some men) have been promulgating these LIES!!! for as long as women have existed.

It’s puzzling. And it looks like poor ZCnegan is just going to have to repeat his lecture series, Women Are Bad and Worthless: Trust Me, I Know, for a long time to come. Hang in there, Z!

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

@Otrame

You are not wrong. Lions are plains creatures. The king of the jungle thing came from19th century tales written by people who had never been to Africa, or were writing for people who thought Africa was all jungles.

You don’t just get lions in Africa 😉 Asiatic lions used to have quite a wide range. Still a few left in India. Some of that range included tropical forest.

That said, have a look at the etymology of “jungle”… it come from a Hindi word that basically means “wilderness”, which would include deserty places as well as what we’d describe as jungle.

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

OT:

So, in case y’all haven’t seen this: Michael Avenatti, the lawyer for Stephanie Clifford aka Stormy Daniels, has announced that a very special recording will be broadcast on 60 Minutes on Sunday, 25 March.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/977015170231885825

There is a very real possibility that the world will run out of reaction gifs.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Women are so confused!

Stormy Daniels said this about her first liaison with Donald J. Trump, the most alpha of all the alphas in the entire effin’ jungle!

I had to use the bathroom and I went to the restroom, which was in the bedroom. Like I said, it was a big suite. I could describe the suite perfectly. When I came out, he was sitting on the bed and he was like, “Come here.” And I was like, “Ugh, here we go.” And we started kissing. I actually don’t even know why I did it

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/stormy-daniels-full-interview-151788

Ugh? Ugh! Why would she say that! She’s a porn star! Her business is to cater to men’s sexual fantasies! Why does she think she gets to have a negative opinion about the sexual attractiveness of Donald J. Trump!

ZCnegan certainly has his work cut out for him.

Pie
Pie
3 years ago

Some of that range included tropical forest.

(whilst I think of it, forest didn’t always mean woodland, either. Just meant land under “forest law”, which was about hunting and game reserves and stuff. Language is messy, especially one so full of loan words as English)

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@EJ
Thanks for that. I’m on pins & needles — can’t wait to see what happens!

Lucrece
Lucrece
3 years ago

@Pie

Language is messy, especially one so full of loan words as English

Second clause superfluous! All languages are in a state of flux. Which, may I say as an English teacher, is awesome!

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

Cool, forest – I wondered if there was a link to Spanish fuera/afuera (out/outside), and apparently there is: Latin foris (outside). (It’s just a quick search with no research, but this would be by way of forestis silva, wood/woods/woodland outside (outside/beyond the place where we live), with the actual woods bit coming not from the forestis but from the silva, like sylvan. Presumably at some point we forgot/didn’t care which was which*, dropped the silva and kept the forestis. And foris is also where we get “foreign” from.)

Language is messy, especially one so full of loan words as English

Yup, it certainly is 🙂
* like rhyming slang (well, not in the least like rhyming slang really. This is completely irrelevant. I just like the fact that rhyming slang works by dropping the bit that actually rhymes, leaving a word with no apparent connection whatsoever with the original meaning (like merchant = merchant banker = wanker; porkies = pork pies = lies; most of the other ones I’ve ever heard of are racist. Allegedly – allegedly – although rhyming slang is generally very little used these days there are still new terms coming into the lexicon – I have no idea if this word has any actual currency, but supposedly if you answer the door wearing your Baracks, it will be readily apparent that you have only just got out of bed …).

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Not heard Baracks used, but rhyming slang is alive and well, though the domain of the elderly now, and still confusing visitors to Woolwich.

Msexceptiontotherule
Msexceptiontotherule
3 years ago

The reason they haven’t gotten sex dolls to take with them when they go their own way is…1.) they have yet to actually GO anywhere and 2.) sex dolls are too expensive for the economically insecure/forgotten male MGTOWs.

Of course it’s the 2nd part that they blame everyone else for, instead of…you know…updating their skills for the current and future job market. Instead they whinge – because what’s sexier than whinging AT the ladies about having to make actual effort or putting in the work to better themselves beyond the physical ‘do you even lift bro’ sense?

The MGTOW who thinks women ‘orgasm from rape’…should never be allowed near a woman, indefinitely. If I could contact his mother and tell him what her son writes on the Internet, as well as tell every woman in his vicinity for their safety they should avoid being alone with him for even 1 minute…I definitely would. And it wouldn’t be ‘he is bad at the sex’, it would be more like ‘your son feels that raping women is an acceptable thing that women desire to have happen to them’.

I can’t even with the whole ‘lie there passively’ though. Good lord can they go their own way, finally?!

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

The most convoluted rhyming slang I know is ‘kettle’ for ‘watch’.

Kettle and hob > fob > fob watch

There’s also of course ‘Berk’. That’s a very innocuous epithet these days; but it’s from ‘Berkley Hunt’, and you can figure out yourselves what that rhymes with.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Or, to rephrase yon dolt from the other day:

Birds white when they jimmy.

kobun37
kobun37
3 years ago

Even male lions do not always have it their way. Lionesses have been known to gang up on the males and beat the shit out of them.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Pie,

“loan words” is a good description – or perhaps even “taken willy-nilly without concern for consistency words”?
*insert obligatory reference to English language as a mugger, robbing all the others*

Hooray, opposablethumbs is doing more etymology stuff!

Also, everyone who commented on the lion and jungle thing: I have complained about that king of the jungle song for years without considering whether jungle might have originally meant something more/other than what it does now. Thank you all 🙂

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Oh, right, the actual MGTOW post topic thing. Well, I have an excuse to re-post this which I think displays a similar logic to our miggy friends (especially “If a female could orgasm, don’t you think I’d have seen it by now?”)

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ mish

Well I can honestly say I’ve seen that look loads of times. Pretty much every time I tread dogshit in the house in fact.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

Re orgasm during a rape, I mean, it’s a thing that CAN happen, and can leave the rape survivor feeling all kinds of guilt and stuff and be like “I must have wanted this somehow, it can’t have been real rape”, so it’s probably something that should be talked about more. Like, bodies are weird and sometimes respond in unexpected ways. This dude, though, makes it sound as if it’s a regular occurrence, probably because he thinks women love to be “dominated” by “alpha males” or some shit like that.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

Miggytoes be all “logic me no logics, fact me no facts” (◔.◔)

I don’t actually know my etymology from my el (eln, forearm) bow (bheug, to bend), but it is just fun to wonder about the wherefore of words sometimes 🙂

Non-Finery
3 years ago

First time poster, long time reader.

I just wanted to say that I made it through that entire article without flinching and then MrAss’s comment made me throw up a little in my mouth, so thanks for that.

Hambeast
Hambeast
3 years ago

My experience is a lot like BoBali’s. But here’s the thing; I never bedded a man I couldn’t have a conversation with. I needed to know that we were on the same wavelength vis a vis hooking up, i.e. we both want to give and have a good time. Sex didn’t even have to be the topic of conversation; I could gather what I needed just by getting to know a guy a little. I was seldom disappointed.

Then there’s the fact that apparently every hot love scene in the movies is a lie.

It’s almost like miggytoes are full of horse shit or something!

Lilome
Lilome
3 years ago

@Otrame

Also, I think they like lions because the females do most of the work but the males get their choice of the kill the females made and then hang around doing nothing except running other males off.

Exactly! If a lion has a pride of himself and 12 gals and an entourage of 3 submissive males — that’s 8 incels left to fend for themselves in the wild. Funny how MGTOW and other angry men always identify with the alpha male and never the beta or gamma males…

EJ (The Other One)
3 years ago

Funny how MGTOW and other angry men always identify with the alpha male and never the beta or gamma males…

Incels, on the other hand, tend to identify with the beta and gamma males; to the point where they greeted Elliott Rodger’s massacre with cries of “BETA UPRISING!”

I think that a lot of this comes from a mixture of misogyny, entitlement and what we might call internalised misandry: they genuinely believe that life is a power struggle between men, and they see women as nothing but a way of keeping score. It doesn’t occur to them that women do not like them and do like other men because they’re creepy rapey assholes; to them it’s a sign that those other men have higher status than them in some imaginary hierarchy, and their resentment of this makes them even more bitter.

Sigh. We need to fix men.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

Re : etymology of forest.

Since it’s rather obviously a french loanword (forêt / forest), and since french loanword are alway used for the edible version of something (cow => beef, sheep => mutton), I think we can safely say that forest design an edible group of tree.

Re : EJ, alpha, beta and gamma : also, it show a will to put people in defined and rigid roles. As far as I know, social status in animal societies are almost alway significantly muddier and more complex than a simple ranking order. (for example, I distinctly remember a lioness with a mane that served an usually male role in a pride). But a defined and rigid role allow thoses various people to put the blame of their failure (real or imagined) on thoses roles instead of on their abilities. It’s sort of a coping mechanism. (a really problematic one, of course, since it prevent them from learning and make them dangerous)

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Ohlmann:

Since it’s rather obviously a french loanword (forêt / forest), and since french loanword are alway used for the edible version of something (cow => beef, sheep => mutton), I think we can safely say that forest design an edible group of tree.

Hence Black Forest gateau (gateau being the edible form of cake).

dawnpurityseeker
dawnpurityseeker
3 years ago

@Ohlmann

…since french loanword are alway used for the edible version of something…

*Ambivalently side-eyes the douches in the feminine hygiene aisle*

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

(gateau being the edible form of cake).

… so chateau is the edible form of, um … cat …
or is sang froid the edible form of black pudding … I’m so confused.

LindsayIrene
3 years ago

I’ve heard orgasm from rape termed ‘body betrayal’. And it does cause anguish. Some women feel guilty just because they got wet during sexual assault, even though there’s a good chance it spared them some injury.

Oh and MrBadAss… cripes.

Men adore women.

I don’t want to be adored. I want to be respected.

It’s because of your breasts, softer skin, vaginas, little ears, long hair, smaller feet, lack of man stink, higher voices, delicate natures and feminine ways.

Well, I have PTSD from severe, long-term sexual harassment for the sin of having big breasts, so I’m not impressed with the fetishization of breasts. At all. Don’t fucking look at my tits.

I have man-sized feet, as well as big hands, thick bones, broad shoulders, a barrel-like ribcage, and muscles–and I’m still a woman! Amazing. It’s like we’re all not the same or something.

‘Delicate nature’? What does that even mean? Do you realize that the work of cleaning up pee and poop and other bodily messiness tends to fall on women?

We seek to protect you because you’re the weaker.

And you’re protecting us from other men. It’s a racket.

Men love women so much that they built, maintained, fought and died for nations in which to keep their women safe.

While women just lolled around in caves eating bonbons like pre-historic Peg Bundies? Women invented agriculture, cooking, pottery, and beer, you clownshoe.

Call us crazy. Men just want to have sex with you and for you to love men. Getting to know you is a bonus – because we live to ‘propagate the species’.

Men* only wanting women for sex is not ground-breaking news. We know.

*Obviously not all men. But all men like MrBadAss, who seems to think of women as children that are legal to fuck.

Dalillama: Irate Social Engineer

@ohlmann

I think we can safely say that forest design an edible group of tree.

Close; the forest is where the lord goes hunting edible game, and where a peasant will hang for doing the same.

Ren
Ren
3 years ago

Aw, the poor little tings. I’ll remember, if I ever have the misfortune of being with one, not to give any oral pleasure but lead him out the door.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

Thank you all for the language discussion – especially “sang froid = black pudding”. That made me chortle.

In Italy I used to see property ads for “forestiere” – a euphemism for a room one rents to shag in, and by an association of ideas, a room to let to foreigners (women). Forestiera meaning “outsider” (female) and the forest being “the place outside the city, where the normal rules don’t run”.

As a forestiera myself it was easier for me to rent a flat than for a local, because of the weird rental laws that supposedly protected local renters – but actually made landlords unwilling to rent to them.

Sarity
Sarity
3 years ago

It seems I’m breaking the rules every day then by initiating the sex and doing most the work. All while nearly six months pregnant (I wonder if that’s extra points off in Migland)?

Not sorry migbros, you don’t discourage anything we do or enjoy by complaining about it. I’m fine with being “immoral” or “unnatural” in your view because it no doubt means I’m living happily, healthy, and having fun.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

And you’re protecting us from other men. It’s a racket.

Note how “protecting” in this context always gets used in the sense of guarding property from theft and vandalism. No guarantee is made that the woman will remain safe from her watchdog, especially if she strays from the ordained path.

Men like Mr. BadAss don’t have the slightest interest in protecting (in the ordinary sense of the word) the things that are important to women: their health, happiness, dreams, jobs, self-esteem. Apparently those things only need to be safeguarded when it’s men having them.

(Also, belatedly, thank you EJ and Alan! 🙂 )

occasional reader
occasional reader
3 years ago

> Alan
Male lions together : yeah, some countries are ready to put the blame on humans for animal behaviors… Even if it is well documented elsewhere… I mean, many of the animals those kind of persons claim to be inspired of can present homosexual behavior (both female and male), like lions, wolves, gorillas… So they can take back their arguments from where they should never been out…

Modern Monk
Modern Monk
3 years ago

I don’t know who is more pathetic:
The MGTOWs who write that or the forum of feminists who are complaining about that?

solecism
solecism
3 years ago

Since it’s rather obviously a french loanword (forêt / forest), and since french loanword are alway used for the edible version of something (cow => beef, sheep => mutton), I think we can safely say that forest design an edible group of tree.

@Ohlmann

Sounds like forest gardening, ie, a form of traditional indigenous land management on most continents, including North America (see fire landscapes) that wasn’t recognized by “Western civilization” such that all those explorers kept thinking it was untrammeled wilderness.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
3 years ago

@Modern Monk

I choose option “C”: The assholes who like to pretend they’re above it all.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Modern Monk

I don’t know who is more pathetic:
The MGTOWs who write that or the forum of feminists who are complaining about that?

By all means, get back to us when you figure it out.

Lucrece
Lucrece
3 years ago

@Kat

@Modern Monk

I don’t know who is more pathetic:
The MGTOWs who write that or the forum of feminists who are complaining about that?

By all means, get back to us when you figure it out.

Or never. I’d be happy with never.

I take issue with Monk’s use of the word “complaining” though. This is specifically a site of mockery and derision. And, these days, anger and activism.