There is no such thing as a woman good at sex: Part 1 in a new series, “MGTOWs explain sex”

@Buttercup

@David:

All you need to do in order to do the sex properly is to lie there motionless until you are given further instructions (re screaming, talking dirty, etc) by the appropriate dude.

With MGTOWs, I suspect they could find many women willing to skip the sex altogether and go straight to the screaming obscenities part.

Bravo! That was beautiful. 🙂

To an MGTOW, a woman moving during sex is obviously trying to escape.

Two-pump chumps, the lot of ’em.

What do these men think counts as a “skill?” Is it only STEM training and management experience?

This is almost certainly the wrong thing to be focused on, but I can’t fathom who they think that screaming, talking dirty, or “being submissive” as directed doesn’t require skill.

I mean, there are people in Hollywood who have been paid hundreds of millions of dollars to scream when instructed to scream and say things they’re instructed to say.

What’s with these guys and lions? There are a lot of “lions mating” vids on YouTube (enough that I suspect it’s a kink for some people); and you know what you see a lot of? The male lion waiting until he’s sure the female is really interested:

Most of the Manosphere seems to be pretty obsessed with non-human animal mating habits in general, but only the cases that support their bogus theories. The whole “wolf hierarchy” thing has been largely debunked but the MRM still clings to it as %100 REAL SCIENCE. Women are also compared to the worst female behavior of the entire animal kingdom. I know some lady insects eat/kill their mates, ok? That doesn’t mean we’re all responsible for it, dude.

Given that I’ve spent the last few weeks lifting my grandmother because she’s gotten too weak to get up off the toilet and couch on her own, I’m not feeling particularly soft and delicate right now. Traditional women’s work such as elder and child care, nursing, housework before modern conveniences etc. are all hard physical labor. Just as much as traditional men’s work. This myth that women are all soft and delicate and weak needs to die in a fire.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Mr Bad Ass. Your perception of women is not based on reality. You clearly need to see us as weak and childlike to feel good about yourself. But fetishizing us as pretty little damsels is not love. It’s objectification.

These men are obsessed with lions…male lions because it soothes their need to be these alpha kings, “king of the jungle.” Also, male lions seem to run some kind of harem while the lionesses seem to hunt for them and wait on them hand and foot, and they get first dibs at the food… which is what these men drool over. Lastly, lions represent pride and vanity… which these guys are disgustingly stuffed to the brim with.

@Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger

I think you kinda missed my point, which is that thinking of sex as nothing beyond you getting off while the other person just lies there is treating it no different than masturbation. It’s not about empathy, it’s about the other person being an active participant in some way, rather than just there.
But besides that, you’re right about that first part, plenty of non-virgin guys think of it that way too, but I didn’t back when I was a virgin and I still don’t.

@Llama, welcome! That sounds suuuper awkward and bewildering. I’m glad you got out of there, that sounds like a deftly dodged disaster.

@MrBadAss,

I’m gonna splice up your comment so that I can deal with it in parts!

Let me go get my knives.

Men adore women. It’s because of your breasts, softer skin, vaginas, little ears, long hair, smaller feet, lack of man stink, higher voices, delicate natures and feminine ways.

You love women for superficial appearance-reasons? For the way women look, and for the performance of traditional femininity? Instead of loving women for, you know, the person that they are?

You love women as long as they wedge themselves into the delicate flower-mold that society decrees they have to have?

No shit, Sherlock.

We seek to protect you because you’re the weaker.

Unless the specific woman in question doesn’t perform those feminine ways properly. Or if she isn’t appropriately delicate. Or obedient. Then she deserves it.

(psst, that’s called intimidation tactics)

Heterosexual men don’t love other men because…why would we when we have heterosexual women? We CisHets can’t help it really.

I’ll take “Tautology” for $500, Alex. What is, “failing to read the sarcasm?”

Men really, really do love women. It’s a biological determinant.

What you’ve done here is called the faulty generalization fallacy. Specifically, in the previous sentence you were talking about how cis-het men can’t help but have attraction to hetero women. In this sentence, you’ve generalized to all men, claiming that it’s a biological determinant. Your generalization carries your conclusion, because if all men are attracted to women, then it’s a determinant, but we know that’s not true, because we see your faulty generalization, and there are lots of types of men. Cis, Heterosexual men are one category only, and can’t claim the mantle of manhood as you seem to do here.

Men love women so much that they built, maintained, fought and died for nations in which to keep their women safe.

This is wrong on so many levels. Let me give you a few.

Third, history is notorious about erasing women from the record. It’s only been a few decades since women were even allowed to use their own first name in many documents without being thought of as wrong. We have such little evidence about women in history that historians – mostly men – make assumptions. Based on modern expectations. Just like you do.

Seventh, come off it. Men didn’t build society for women. People built society for people. I thought it was feminists who were supposed to be the ones unfairly dividing things up on gender lines?

14th, Women put in a huge amount of the work involved in the movement of society. Men generally swan about in suits and ties while women mop, cut, monitor and move things. And I don’t just mean babies and meals here. Women are well represented in the tiers of the work force that get-shit-done.

I can go on, but I don’t want to embarrass you. Gotta leave you something to do after all!

Call us crazy. Men just want to have sex with you and for you to love men. Getting to know you is a bonus – because we live to ‘propagate the species’.

Oh, that’s fun. Let’s see here. Naturalistic fallacy, Fundamental Attribution Error all over the place, Typical Mind fallacy, Begging the Question, Mind Projection fallacy… I mean, you could be more wrong, but to compress all that into such a small space really is something else.

I won’t bother pulling that block apart because I doubt you’re going to come back. Gotta leave you something to look forward to after all!

@Pretty Pink And that always makes me laugh, too! Male lions don’t generally eat first. Since females are the ones who hunt and get prey, they will eat first until the male/s arrive, and then allow them to the food. Lower females and cubs are last.

Beyond that I’m going, Okay, I’m not very active in bed, but not moving at all? You know how much muscle control is required to not move AT ALL? That would absolutely require skill and iron control.