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MGTOWs agree: Gay men are lucky because “vaginas are objectively gross”

MGTOWs learned everything they know about vaginas from old feminine hygiene ads (Note: This is from a real ad for Kotex)

By David Futrelle

Despite their often quite limited experience with vaginas in the field, so-called Men Going Their Own Way have very strong opinions on the subject. For example, that vaginas are all super stinky and gross. Sour, like grapes.

In a recent discussion in the MGTOW subreddit, a number of forum regulars set forth their theories on vaginal yuckiness, and why gay men are lucky that they get to avoid them.

By contrast, penises totally aren’t gross at all. Not that any of these guys are into them! escalover 28 points 7 hours ago I have gay friends and they find vagina absolutely disgusting. As a straight man I'm okay with penis. Like, penis is a thing that exists, other men have one, I have one, it's okay. I don't want to touch penis, other than my penis, but penis isn't "gross"; if one pops up in a porn, oh well. But gay men absolutely cannot tolerate the thought of vagina. Vaginas are objectively gross and if you didn't have hormones, you wouldn't be interested. Vaginas are literally Petri dishes.

Still, life would be so much easier if they were gay, though NO WAY THEY’RE NOT INTERESTED, nope, definitely DO NOT WANT.

Also, did you know that 20-year-old vaginas are much cleaner than those attached to old hags over the age of 25 or so? SCIENCE FACT.

migmxke 19 points 7 hours ago* I'm macho and shit. But lately I realized why gay men are more happy in life. (gay=happy anyway). Because they DO NOT have to deal with being attracted to a potential smelly rotten vagina, who will falsely accuse them or divorce-rape them. But I have to keep accepting my hetero risk, because my primal instinct and my biological imperative is to be attracted by young 20yo pussy or around 18-24, then pump-and-dump, rinse and repeat. Because in these young ages, their vaginas are generally cleaner. But again, just be very cautious, because this shit we call game, is getting more dangerous these day.

My condolences to all those who will never get to experience the joy of sex with one of these dudes because their vaginas are too old and stinky.

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Napalm Nacey
Napalm Nacey
2 years ago

Never have I been so glad to be a 30+, post-childbirth woman. There’s ain’t no way these turds are coming near me. *pats crotch* Good vagina!

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
2 years ago

Like, penis is a thing that exists, other men have one, I have one, it’s okay

Perhaps the most misogynist thing anyone’s ever said. Not the most vile, but the most fundamental. If men do/have/are a thing, it’s OK because men do/have/are it. And the inverse for women. Pretty simple (and terrible) logic, but these people think they’re geniuses

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Were taken more by it’s distinctly trans un-friendly nature, but the statement as a whole – agreed. Foundation of misogyny there.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
2 years ago

Shadowplay:

Vaginas are literally Petri dishes

Never seen one that were transparent, flat and filled with nutrient agar before. Come to think on it, never seen one that could handle being autoclaved.

In a broad sense, as they say, every culture has a Petri dish.

Alan:

You have to use Clitmus Paper!

Not very anatomically spot on, so to say, but I can see the appeal.

Croquemboche:

The woman who came up with the phrase “the vagina is like a self cleaning oven”, Dr Jen Gunter, is a highly qualified and respected gynecologist.

Oh, it dates back to 2011. I’m a recent fan of Gunter, but have been seeing that phrase pop up for many years. Still can’t imagine how an oven could be self-cleaning.

misophistry
misophistry
2 years ago

My oven is self cleaning,
But I still have to clean now and again,
Because of pizza cheese.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Still can’t imagine how an oven could be self-cleaning.

Same way fridges are. Leave them alone long enough and the gunge attains sentience, gets a job with an estate agent, and moves out.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

Can confirm that my vagina is unsightly and smelly. Also, constantly balancing my vaginal pH is a tricky and time-consuming process.

Penises, however, are — in my experience — always objectively attractive and freshly bathed. Never stinky. Never have any smegma under the foreskin.

And male butts? Always fresh as a daisy. Always.

Not to mention male feet (no athlete’s foot there!) and male underarms (no rank sweat there!). Really, the entire male body should be worshipped. It’s hard to believe that some women refuse to do so.

Samantha Kaswell
Samantha Kaswell
2 years ago

So…we women all got together the other day and had a meeting about you MGTOW boys, and we thought you might like to see what we finally decided. Read and enjoy:

Dear MGTOWS and other like-minded penised persons,

Perhaps if more males who hate vaginas, like raping and beating women and fighting in old men’s wars and who, in general, see nothing wrong with behaving as though the world and everything on it were their own private toys – to do with whatever they want – go “their own ways,” our population will decrease, war and poverty will end, and we women will finally have the time, energy and resources to live our lives freely, creatively and without all the patriarchal bullshit.

Oh, and we will then be free to really enjoy and engage with the good guys, who really are out there. Who needs MGTOWS when we can have real men to share our lives with, in so many ways?

So…you go, MGTOWS! Spread the word about our “stinkiness,” stupidity and general evil. Why, I am sure that there are gazillions of us women, willing to cheer you on…pack your bags…show you the doors to your own “freedom.” Have yourselves great, hate-filled lives. We’ll even pack your lunches!

After all, you will do the species a huge service, eliminating yourselves from the gene pool by going your own way. And we thank you for the upgrade.

Love and kisses,

The women of the world

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Penises (penii??) are objectively ridiculous.

How the fuck do cis women (or indeed gay men) manage NOT to crack up laughing every damned time the periscope rises?

Monochrome
Monochrome
2 years ago

….whereas penises are always delightful
and minty fresh…?!

(A)utonomist Escapist
(A)utonomist Escapist
2 years ago

If vaginas are petri dishes, does that make people who’re into them microbiologist trailblazers? Because if so, yay, HARD SCIENCE!

(Sorry, will see myself out, not enough sleep, over-partyed and have no voice today)

Dalillama
Dalillama
2 years ago

@Arctic Ape

. Still can’t imagine how an oven could be self-cleaning

Basically there’s an added really hot setting that scorches everything off. Allegedly.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

Mr. Parasol wonders if MGTOWs thinks vaginas should come with a timer that goes “ding!” once the stinky stage is reached.

EJ (The Other One)
2 years ago

Penises (penii??) are objectively ridiculous.

How the fuck do cis women (or indeed gay men) manage NOT to crack up laughing every damned time the periscope rises?

I share your question. I have a suspicion that the answer is that we as cis men are trained to see it as hilarious, because we are trained to humanise and not to objectify our own bodies.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility

Bless your face for that Twitter thread! The entire thing is comedy gold 😂

Re the “periscope rising”, I will laugh like an idiot at all the jokes (see above comment to @epitome), but…
possible TMI…
I find rising periscopes pretty hot, myself 😊

Sheila Crosby
2 years ago

Allow me to explain the ad.

If they manage to persuade women that they stink, then women will part with lots of lovely cash to solve the problem. It doesn’t matter whether the problem exists or not as long as you can get them worried.

Jo
Jo
2 years ago

There is a simple answer to any man who says vaginas are ugly and it works on two levels.

Balls!

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
2 years ago

Dalillama:

Basically there’s an added really hot setting that scorches everything off. Allegedly.

Whoa, that sounds like a brutalist solution to dirt. Probably works best if it burns down your entire house.

Otrame
Otrame
2 years ago

Mish of the Catlady Ascendency,

I find the “up periscope!” phase while engaging with good, decent men rather fun myself.

The thing that incels and MGTOWs don’t understand is that many women don’t care much about appearances. To look at in the movies, or while shopping at the mall, sure. But for actual relationships? Not all that important. Biggest crush I’ve ever had was a guy who is objectively ugly. I didn’t care about that, because he is smart and funny and kind. Unfortunately for me, he is also married. To an absolutely gorgeous woman.

It ain’t about your looks, guys. It doesn’t necessarily have much to do with being socially awkward, because plenty of women have the same problem. You can’t get laid for 2 reasons. 1. You are only interested in ”8 or aboves”. Ordinary women need not apply. 2. You are an entitled little shit and most women can see your type coming from across a crowded room and when they do, they run away.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
2 years ago

You are only interested in ”8 or aboves”. Ordinary women need not apply.

Absolutely true. I remember years ago talking to a guy who was complaining that women can’t see past his looks to see what a great guy he is inside. I asked him why he can’t do the same with women. His actual words: “I need to be turned on.”

Most of them won’t be so blunt. They’ll try to talk about how men and women look for different things, maybe try some sort of evo pscyh. But in my experience, every “nice guy” who has complained about not being able to go out with a woman has been talking about a conventionally attractive woman.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Yep. As we’ve discussed here before, it’s how the theory that 20% of men are sleeping with 80% of women makes sense to them. Only the hot women count.

Weird (America Where Are You Now? Don't You Care About Your Sons And Daughters?) Eddie
Weird (America Where Are You Now? Don't You Care About Your Sons And Daughters?) Eddie
2 years ago

… some MGTOWs really need a hobby….

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@Some Guy
I missed this from page 1 yesterday. Maybe it was in moderation?

Vaginas are actually very clean. They essentially secrete hydrogen peroxide to prevent bacterial infection.

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Edit: And yes, I know it’s H2 O2

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Does that mean that if I can manage to position my head directly under my vagina, I can bleach my hair for free?

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Alan, @Arctic Ape, tsk tsk:

You have to use Clitmus Paper!

as they say, every culture has a Petri dish

You’re making me laugh and here I am trying to write serious things! (While simultaneously browsing funny things the Internet, I know… but I have to blame someone who isn’t myself, right?) 😀

I also blame SFHC’s earlier interpretation of “legbeard”! 😂

@tim gueguen – Yay, another Dumbing of Age reader! Yes, I saw that too!

EJ (The Other One)
2 years ago

You are only interested in ”8 or aboves”. Ordinary women need not apply.

Ugh. I’m just imagining how creepy it would be to have such a person hit on you, and it makes my skin crawl.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@EJ(TOO)
Imagine them “lowering their standards” to hit on you, a below 8 wretch they took pity on, only to be rejected. Results in a lot of anger and violence hurled at those of us who dare to exist as below 8 women on dating apps.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

A troll popped up on the previous page.

All heterosexual men should be able to agree the attraction to women in general and to their vaginas in particular seems bizarre when we aren’t caught up in the heat of passion, we’re thinking clearly, and we consider what they are.

Women aren’t a what. We’re a who. Anyway, I guess I can’t speak for heterosexual men because I’m not one. But it doesn’t seem like most of them think their attraction is all that bizarre. I know it’s hard for you miggytoes to believe, but not everybody hates the people they want to have sex with. Maybe the issue isn’t that women are bad or that attraction is bizarre or that vaginas are icky. Maybe the problem is you and the way you think? Just a thought.

“Woman is a temple built over a sewer.”
– Tertullian, Early Church Father

Congratulations. You’ve (assuming the quote is accurate) proved that some church leader from a really long time ago also hated women. That proves… well, nothing really. Nice try?

“The value of vagina is only good from 18 to 29. Pussy get old like bread not like wine.”
– Patrice O’Neal, Philosopher King

*Checks down my underwear.* Nope. Not seeing any mold. Or fish. Or bleach. Or booze. Just a body part. And tmi alert, my vagina and vulva are probably the part of my body that has changed the least over the years. It certainly didn’t sprout mold upon my thirtieth birthday. Misogynists are so weird. And very immature. Your fear of vagina doesn’t make women look bad. It makes you look bad. Way to self own again and again and again.

Weird (America Where Are You Now? Don't You Care About Your Sons And Daughters?) Eddie
Weird (America Where Are You Now? Don't You Care About Your Sons And Daughters?) Eddie
2 years ago

– Tertullian, Early Church Father

“early church father” … now THERE was a bunch of MGTOWs

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Vaginas are actually very clean. They essentially secrete hydrogen peroxide to prevent bacterial infection.

Hydrogen peroxide is used as a rocket propellant. So, take care.

Banananana dakry
Banananana dakry
2 years ago

@Moggie

AWESOME! I always wanted to fly to the moon using my cooch!

*really needs a nap*

dawnpurityseeker
dawnpurityseeker
2 years ago

@Moggie

“Hydrogen peroxide is used as a rocket propellant. So, take care.”

Hence why you don’t find wimmins lighting their farts on fire on youtube. Don’t want the whole works to go up, now do we?

EJ (The Other One)
2 years ago

@kupo:
Yeah, some of my female friends have shown me such messages. They’re horrifying.

I’ve also seen some of the messages sent to very conventionally attractive women, and those are also horrifying. It’s almost as if women can’t win.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@EJ(TOO)
I had much better luck when I was the one sending the first message. That’s how I met my husband. 🙂

IBH Ardipithecus
IBH Ardipithecus
2 years ago

@Alan

You have to use Clitmus Paper!

Biggest LOL of the weekend – thanks.

The Real Cie
2 years ago

I think that bit about the “beef” was one of the most genuinely stupid things I’ve ever read in my not-short life.
Vaginas do not have beef in them, like ever. Unless someone actually puts beef in there. I’m just not going to go there.
Unfortunately, I am recovering from a yeast infection which came about for the same reason that my eczema flared up. Stress, and lots of it. So the words of these morons made me particularly angry, given that I was already having to fight the old (and completely wrong) ideas that were put in my head at a young age, that “nice women don’t get yeast infections.” (My mother’s side of the family was extremely religious and had a lot of destructive ideas, particularly about women and sexuality.)
I’m very glad to know that my ancient vagina distresses idiots like this. I like to think that it would draw up into itself and disappear if they were ever to come near it. I’m glad they would find me repulsive, happier than anyone can possibly imagine.

amy
amy
2 years ago

these idiots still haven’t realized that no matter how many times they use the words “objectively” and “rational”, it won’t magically turn their opinion into one.

EJ (The Other One)
2 years ago

Oh congrats, kupo.

Lemme see now… let’s see if I understand manosphere theory correctly:

You hit on him, which means that he’s an admirable high-T alpha chad. However, he responded positively to it, which makes him a despicable low-T beta cuck. He agreed to get married, which makes him a despicable low-T beta cuck. You earn your own income and aren’t dependent on him, which makes him an admirable high-T alpha chad.

If I recall correctly the two of you are monogamous. This means that he’s not sleeping with anyone on the side, so he’s not a chad. It also means that you’re not sleeping with anyone on the side, so he’s not a cuck.

So, he’s simultaneously low-T and high-T, both a cuck and a not-cuck, both a chad and a not-chad.

Phew! Man-philosophy is hard. I’m glad I paid attention in undergraduate quantum physics.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

Ah, the old “Schrödinger’s Cuck” experiment … how fascinating. 🙂

occasional reader
occasional reader
2 years ago

Hello.

Wow, they indeed know as much on vaginas as they know about gay men.
I have never hear a gay person say he hates vagina. I never read a study saying and bringing the proof that gay people are vagina haters.
Not being into something does not imply hating this thing. Because if it was always the case, i should hate myself because i am not into men. Or i should hate my stuff because i am not into penises.

> WWTH
Do they also scream and hide their face when Graham Chapman (peace to his soul) comes full frontal in “The Life of Brian” ?
Do they think nudist beachs are only reserved to what they think are hot babes ?
Yet, they may be among the first to send dick pics to, er, “seduce”? women…

Have a nice day.

Katamount
Katamount
2 years ago

Soooo… how much of this is Fox and the Grapes and how much of this is lack of sexual education?

Paging future Premier Ford…….

Msexceptiontotherule
Msexceptiontotherule
2 years ago

Just because I did not attribute the reference to it’s original physician source doesn’t make my statement on the vagina = self cleaning oven (more or less, not precise equivalent) any less true.

Who?
Who?
2 years ago

Source for what follows wikipedia
Tertullian, Early Church Father:
This one is true (that Tertullian existed and can be discripted as Early Church Father)
I didn’t search for the quote.
I is interesting that even for early church Father he counts as misogynistic and its questionable if he was a heretic.
Only one of the few church fathers who is not reconized as a saint

Patrice O’Neal, Philosopher King
not quite.
In your face comedian, who seemed to have made a few anti-womenjokes.
Context is exspecially for comedy important and the question if that was meaned serious or not, is also important.
Now he is dead, so we have 2 dead men.

Even if the quotes are acurate, I echo the so-what.
You could posible find 100 of quotes to every topic from inteligent people that are pro-something completly wrong.
Not a proof of anythink.

Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
2 years ago

Msexceptiontotherule:

I’m sorry I gave you the impression I was somehow criticising you or implying you did something wrong in using the phrase without attribution to Dr Gunter.

It is such a wonderfully apt analogy that of course it has become part of the language of our times now. I only wanted to share the source with others here (and I can’t even be certain it was the first source – she may have been quoting someone else, for all I know), because the rest of her blog is as full of science, wit, and wisdom as that turn of phrase.

Once again, I’m sorry that my phrasing was unclear. My intention was to second your comment, not to undermine it.

(also, I heartily endorse the sentiment that “intent is not magic” while being unable to recall the primary source myself.)

Sorry.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

@EJ(TOO)
You remember correctly! And I think that sums it all up pretty well.

Ariblester
Ariblester
2 years ago

Re: vaginas and hydrogen peroxide

I don’t think the OP was trolling or completely off-base, but merely misremembering the fact that certain Lactobacillus strains found in vaginal flora actually can produce H2O2 in hypoxic conditions sufficient to inhibit pathogens in vitro, and that it was once theorized that this had a beneficial effect in vivo (Wikipedia link here). However, subsequent research has shown that the concentrations of H2O2 found in the vagina are not nearly high enough to have this effect because, surprise, the human body really doesn’t like peroxides in contact with cells, and tends to break it down rather rapidly.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Re: rocket fuel

My vegan oppressor thought this would help persuade me to stop drinking milk. Ironically it was working; until I got to the last bit, then I just thought “Cool!”

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(I am now on the soy, but that’s mainly to annoy MRA types)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Meh. You can make any food scary and dangerous if you word it a certain way. Remember the whole Subway bread is just like eating a yoga mat thing from a couple of years ago? I don’t really like to drink milk but no way am I giving up cheese.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Yeah… I’m a vegan since 21 years for animal rights reasons, and I really don’t think arguments relying on disgust are any good. Firstly, some claims about what’s in this or that animal food, or, for that matter, how animal foods cause various diseases, are just plain false (it’s a little like all those people on the internet who argue that aspartam is dangerous when it’s completely harmless, or low carb dieters who think carbs are more or less poison, and so on). Secondly, if I want to eat something that another person finds gross, that’s none of his business. Arguing for animal rights is one thing; how we treat animals affect THEM. But grossness? Up to each individual to decide what they find gross or not.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Maybe some of the claims about aspartame belong in that bucket, but there are studies showing that it is linked with significant increase of malignant tumors in lab rats, so it’s not completely without merit to argue that it’s dangerous.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1392232/

But I get your point. If someone wants to eat something, great! If they don’t want to, also great! Don’t interrupt me when I’m heating up my food to warn me of the dangers of microwaves and I won’t inform you of how disgusting I find your radicchio to be.