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MGTOWs agree: Gay men are lucky because “vaginas are objectively gross”

MGTOWs learned everything they know about vaginas from old feminine hygiene ads (Note: This is from a real ad for Kotex)

By David Futrelle

Despite their often quite limited experience with vaginas in the field, so-called Men Going Their Own Way have very strong opinions on the subject. For example, that vaginas are all super stinky and gross. Sour, like grapes.

In a recent discussion in the MGTOW subreddit, a number of forum regulars set forth their theories on vaginal yuckiness, and why gay men are lucky that they get to avoid them.

By contrast, penises totally aren’t gross at all. Not that any of these guys are into them! escalover 28 points 7 hours ago I have gay friends and they find vagina absolutely disgusting. As a straight man I'm okay with penis. Like, penis is a thing that exists, other men have one, I have one, it's okay. I don't want to touch penis, other than my penis, but penis isn't "gross"; if one pops up in a porn, oh well. But gay men absolutely cannot tolerate the thought of vagina. Vaginas are objectively gross and if you didn't have hormones, you wouldn't be interested. Vaginas are literally Petri dishes.

Still, life would be so much easier if they were gay, though NO WAY THEY’RE NOT INTERESTED, nope, definitely DO NOT WANT.

Also, did you know that 20-year-old vaginas are much cleaner than those attached to old hags over the age of 25 or so? SCIENCE FACT.

migmxke 19 points 7 hours ago* I'm macho and shit. But lately I realized why gay men are more happy in life. (gay=happy anyway). Because they DO NOT have to deal with being attracted to a potential smelly rotten vagina, who will falsely accuse them or divorce-rape them. But I have to keep accepting my hetero risk, because my primal instinct and my biological imperative is to be attracted by young 20yo pussy or around 18-24, then pump-and-dump, rinse and repeat. Because in these young ages, their vaginas are generally cleaner. But again, just be very cautious, because this shit we call game, is getting more dangerous these day.

My condolences to all those who will never get to experience the joy of sex with one of these dudes because their vaginas are too old and stinky.

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PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

Having followed you for a long, long time, one thing about the posts you profile has not changed: the utter ignorance of the participants posting are in all things vagina.

Some Guy
Some Guy
2 years ago

Vaginas are actually very clean. They essentially secrete hydrogen peroxide to prevent bacterial infection.

I doubt any of these guys have seen an actual vagina in real life.

Mexican Hot Chocolate
Mexican Hot Chocolate
2 years ago

Yes, vaginas are so disgusting that Larry Flynt and Bob Guccione made millions of dollars and built huge publishing empires publishing pictures of naked women spreading their legs.

Swedish Sexual Bread
Swedish Sexual Bread
2 years ago

@MHC: Yeah, but the HORMONES, man, they control everything!

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
2 years ago

Oh, reminds me again of this horrible ex boyfriend of mine who claimed women who’ve slept around are objectively more “dirty” than men who’ve slept around because vaginas are holes and cannot be fully cleaned out or something like that.

But really, being grossed out by vaginas and and then still claim you want to have sex with vagina-havers is just… really… weird.

Otrame
Otrame
2 years ago

Yet, apparently gay men have no HORMONES.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Setting aside the ignorance about vaginas and the weird certainty MGTOWs have that they smell really bad, they’re wrong about men not being disgusted by other men’s penises.

I saw Wild Things in the theater. There was a scene with full frontal Kevin Bacon nudity. Pretty much all the men in the theater yelled with disgust. A year later I watched it on video with some friends and a guy who had seen it already actually warned the other guys who hadn’t seen it when the penis sighting was coming so they could cover their eyes.

Things haven’t changed since the late 90s. A couple of years ago there was a scene on Game of Thrones that featured a sex scene between Loras and male sex worker Olyvar (I think that was his name?) and Olyvar’s penis appeared on screen. At a fan site I frequent there were dudebros all over the place complaining about the scene. Nevermind that GoT is usually replete with female full frontal nudity.

Men freak about the sight of a penis all the damn time. Women on the other hand, generally are not grossed out by either type of genitals. At least not to the point of immature screeching and exaggerated disgust. Sure, we’re grossed out by unsolicited dick pics and flashers. But not because penises are gross. Because the lack of consent to see the particular is gross and threatening.

My theory? It’s down to the way girls and boys are socialized. Girls are usually expected to care for younger siblings. Encouraged to babysit as a way to earn pocket money. Boys are not. Just about all women even if we don’t have kids have changed diapers before. We’re used to being near genitals and butts in a non-sexual context in a way that men generally aren’t until they have their own babies. Add that to the stigma around menstruation and the fact that we shield men from ever having to hear too much about it and you have a recipe for being unable to handle the sight of genitals outside of sexual encounters and porn. MGTOWs take it to a ridiculous extreme and talk themselves into disgust with genitals even in a sexual context. Or maybe especially in a sexual context.

Now I’m going to link to the very best stinky vagina rant ever posted here
https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2013/09/21/christopher-in-oregon-deconstructs-the-female-and-her-allegedly-very-stinky-you-know-what/

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Vaginas are literally Petri dishes

Never seen one that were transparent, flat and filled with nutrient agar before. Come to think on it, never seen one that could handle being autoclaved.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

If it will keep these guys far, far away from me, I’ll happily plaster my crotch with biohazard warning labels.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Gay men run and hide from vaginas

You can run, but you can’t hide.

All we need is a good shower and we’re good to go.

Well, I don’t want to get into the circumcision argument, because you know how unproductive those are, but an uncircumcised man needs to take a little more care over hygiene.

I’m macho and shit.

Not necessarily in that order.

It’s weird how they talk as if gay men are the ideal, unpolluted by those troublesome hormones (lolwut?), and yet they’re quick to emphasise “no homo”.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
2 years ago

So in Magic: The Gathering circles, there has been a loud uproar from the more… snowflakey types who are howling that SJWs are ruining their game by Wizards of the Coast recognizing that people other than straight white cis men (aka SWCM) exist. It got worse when one YouTuber received a lifetime ban from official tournaments thanks to the organized harassment of a female cosplayer (and we’re all familiar with the usual arguments that it “wasn’t harassment blah blah blah).

The reason I’m bringing this up in the comments to a completely unrelated post?

At least on Twitter – I don’t have the inclination to see where else this has spread – they’ve started “organizing” themselves as… MTGTOW.

*sigh*

Unlike MGTOW and very much like GG, they’re claiming they are open to everyone and there are some non-SWCM involved because there are always those who are willing to contribute to their own erasure, but yeah. MTGTOW is every bit like you expect it to be.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

never seen one that could handle being autoclaved.

A friend came close…

http://www.period.media/promotion/vaginal-steaming/

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

WWTH:

Setting aside the ignorance about vaginas and the weird certainty MGTOWs have that they smell really bad, they’re wrong about men not being disgusted by other men’s penises.

Isn’t this the reason for the popularity of faux lesbian porn among straight guys? Twice the boobs (and, sadly, twice the vaginae), no troubling penises.

dr. ej
dr. ej
2 years ago

Vaginas are literally Petri dishes

Bacteria are really important for a healthy vagina. Vaginas have very complex populations of bacteria that help protect against invading pathogens. In particular, lactic acid bacteria lower the pH to inhibit the growth of other microorganisms, making infections less likely.

(Possible TMI)
Frequent douching can disrupt the microbial population, leading to yeast infections.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

And just in case any MGTOW are lurking, everyone have a vaguely vaginal looking Jovian storm

https://twitter.com/NASA/status/975123865851584512

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
2 years ago

WWTH,

Christopher from Oregon is one of those I was thinking of! Lol 😁

Msexceptiontotherule
Msexceptiontotherule
2 years ago

The commercials for various products that are supposed to balance ph and the feminine hygiene sprays could have something to do with why these guys believe such utter nonsense.

Vaginas are kind of like the human body version of a self cleaning oven. They don’t need some ph product, nor a spray, and they most definitely and emphatically do not need MGTOW.

Austin Loomis
2 years ago

He’s just getting an early start on celebrating the 12th anniversary of Ace of Spades’ justifiably infamous “Play-Doh and bacon” post. (No direct link because life is short and brain cells don’t come back, won’t come back, once they’re gone.)

Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
2 years ago

The woman who came up with the phrase “the vagina is like a self cleaning oven”, Dr Jen Gunter, is a highly qualified and respected gynecologist.
She probably sees more vagina in a week than the most wildly “successful ” manospherean does in a year.
I’ll go with her, and science, thanks.

https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2011/07/31/why-shouldnt-you-douche-because-the-vagina-is-like-a-self-cleaning-oven/

ninja’d!

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
2 years ago

These guys are the sorts of guys who would never change a baby’s diaper ’cause it’s “gross”, but think they’re super manly resilient macho bros.

(typed that as “mancho bors” originally, really shoulda kept it)

They’re the same guys who complain about having to wipe their asses or keep their homes clean. As in, they’re inconsistent as shit in every dimension but one – the “belittling women” dimension.

There’s a doctor who episode in there somewhere.

I’m a little drunk! Makes the programming easier. Not as good for the toddler-watching though.

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
2 years ago

Aren’t these the same guys who refuse to wipe because skid marks are manly?
Yeah I don’t think they understand hygiene that well…

Fluffy Spider
Fluffy Spider
2 years ago

Aren’t these the same guys who refuse to wipe because skid marks are manly?
Yeah I don’t think they understand hygiene that well…

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
2 years ago

Good lord, they’re all trying to out-Aunt Ada Doom each other. “I saw something nasty in the woodshed.”

Don’t gay men also encounter bacteria, BO, and orifices?

@WWTH – My first thought was Christopher from Oregon too! Wasn’t he a ray of sunshine?

Fabe
Fabe
2 years ago

@Tabby Lavalamp

I remember over hearing a Magic player complaining that the card isn’t as sexy as it use to be at my local comic and games store. Don’t recall if he said anything about the SJW boogieman but I got the feeling that he was in thecamp that think they’re out to get him.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Today I Learned:

1. The only alternative to being turned on by something is to be grossed out by it. (That might complicate my relationship with food…)

2. I have to constantly balance the pH of my vagina. (How does one go about that?)

3. Vaginas are sentient and can initiate divorces.

4. Vaginas are literally Petri dishes.

(If we combine the last two, does that mean Petri dishes can initiate divorces? Who do they want to get divorced from?? How did they get married in the first place??? So many questions.)

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

Dr Jen Gunter is a legend. I’m forever grateful for the mammotheer who posted a link to her blog a couple of years back (it was WWTH or Croquembouche, I think?).

The more I re-read this, the funnier it gets:

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It’s got its own little rhythm; you can kind of sing it (or rap it):
“Penis is a thing that exists.
Other men have one, I have one,
It’s okay.
I don’t want to touch penis,
Other than my penis,
But penis isn’t gross
If one pops up in a porn,
Oh well.”

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Mish, this is NOT the penis museum.

It is the penis poetry slam. 😀

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ epitomeofincomprehensibilty

I have to constantly balance the pH of my vagina. (How does one go about that?)

You have to use Clitmus Paper!

(I’m in town all week; try the veal)

tonysam
tonysam
2 years ago

These dudes tend to forget they, too, have smells.

None of these dudes has “seen” a vagina unless he has access to a speculum.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
2 years ago

Oh Jesus. In my experience, even never-het gay men enjoy hanging out with women because toxic masculinity is *you know* toxic. Plus gay men enjoy a friendship with no sex side issue as much as the next woman.

I’m not even going to touch the “cunt is crap” nonsense (yes, I went there) because a) I have one and it rocks, and b) I’ve been intimate with both dicks and cunts, both are fine, and neither are more important than the people attached to them.

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
2 years ago

@David

Hello!

Is that because when it’s porn they’re busy pretending it’s their dick? Out of wanking context it’s a bit of a shock.

Just a thought.

Lovely to have you back!

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
2 years ago

@epitome

I’m slightly bruised by the idea of a penis poetry slam and I have no skin in the game (literally).

Maybe I’m thinking too much.

Ben
Ben
2 years ago

“I wouldn’t find this part of human anatomy attractive if it weren’t for all the stupid hormones in my brain” is an incredibly banal statement, if you think about it.

“This activity wouldn’t make me happy without all this serotonin messing me up!”

Of course, your average MGTOW seems like the sort of guy who’d insist to someone that they’re not in love, they’re just experiencing a chemical infatuation, to cover up the fact that they themselves have difficulty feeling anything but hatred and jealousy for others, so… yeah. Color me unsurprised.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
2 years ago

I’ll just leave this right here. (assuming my linking works)

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

@ Alan

Okay, that joke made me laugh pretty hard.

Z&T
Z&T
2 years ago

We ladies here smell like Mountain Rain. Because our Other Z got a giant bottle of this (“Xtra”) laundry soap and split it with us.

It is a good laundry soap, smells nice too.

We beat the bulk sellers by splitting among us. You can get some swank toilet paper this way too.

Thus, our bits, have the most excellent of aromas!

😀

Saint-Somnia
Saint-Somnia
2 years ago

As a (part time, gender fluidity ftw) trans man, this whole thing just makes me sigh.

Dr. Thang
Dr. Thang
2 years ago

Wow, I’ve never seen a more obvious bunch of virgins in my life, they can’t even pretend they’ve actually seen one up close. I feel like this is one of those things where a guy gets rejected by a woman and then he says she’s fat and ugly and he didn’t want her anyway, even though he was just aggressively perusing her. Is there a word for that?

Also, I feel like I’ll regret asking, but what the hell is “divorce-rape”?

tim gueguen
2 years ago

At least they know that women have pubic hair.

Earlier this year I was reading Cosey Fanni Tutti’s autobiography Art Sex Music. It includes a lot about her work in the UK porn industry in the ’70s. She noted that photo shoots where the model had a hairless pubic area were considered a specialty assignment, and were actually a bit of a bother for models. You’d lose a bit of work while waiting for the hair to grow back.

Catalpa
Catalpa
2 years ago

@ Dr. Thang

Divorce-rape is their term for husbands being obligated to split assets with (and potentially pay alimony or child support to) their wives upon divorce.

‘Cause, you see, when a woman is raped, her most valuable asset is stolen, so ‘stealing’ money from a man is the exact same thing as rape. The term comes about from a combination of them considering women’s bodies commodities and also of them trying to use progressive language to suit their own purposes without actually understanding the term at all.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
2 years ago

Not to mention that ingrown hair follicles in that body area really fucking hurt.

Dr. Thang
Dr. Thang
2 years ago

@ Catalpa

By Odin’s balls, that was somehow even worse than I could have imagined. But, you gotta know what you’re getting into when you ask questions about these pitiful shit goblins.

Laugher at Bigots
2 years ago

I feel like this is one of those things where a guy gets rejected by a woman and then he says she’s fat and ugly and he didn’t want her anyway, even though he was just aggressively perusing her. Is there a word for that?

Indeed there is; it’s usually called “sour grapes”.

Uly
Uly
2 years ago

I feel like this is one of those things where a guy gets rejected by a woman and then he says she’s fat and ugly and he didn’t want her anyway, even though he was just aggressively perusing her. Is there a word for that?

“Sour grapes”, from the Aesop fable of the fox who wanted to get a bunch of grapes, and when he couldn’t he sniffed “Well, those grapes are all shriveled and sour anyway”.

And I’m going to skip all the mgtow nonsense to ask wtf is up with that Kotex ad?

tim gueguen
2 years ago

Incels get a mention in the latest Dumbing of Age strip. Unfortunately I find myself suspecting Faz is a prime candidate to fall for Incel or MGTOW nonsense when being a PUA fails.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

And I’m going to skip all the mgtow nonsense to ask wtf is up with that Kotex ad?

The 70’s were a verystrange time.

The Unclean
2 years ago

All heterosexual men should be able to agree the attraction to women in general and to their vaginas in particular seems bizarre when we aren’t caught up in the heat of passion, we’re thinking clearly, and we consider what they are.

“Woman is a temple built over a sewer.”
– Tertullian, Early Church Father

“The value of vagina is only good from 18 to 29. Pussy get old like bread not like wine.”
– Patrice O’Neal, Philosopher King

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

And I’m going to skip all the mgtow nonsense to ask wtf is up with that Kotex ad?

Are you new? If so, welcome!

I’m confused by it too. I think there’s an infection that can cause a fishy odor. But menstrual fluid? Does not smell fishy. At least not in my experience. So I’m not sure what they were going for either.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@Uly
If new, welcome! Also yeah the hell’s with the fish hook and fish attached to that woman’s vagina? The ad’s french and says roughly “I’m like a fish in water.” Still doesn’t explain anything.

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