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Congrats! A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been designated hate groups by the SPLC

Paul Elam of A Voice for Men: Now officially a hatemonger

By David Futrelle

A big round of applause for two websites that have featured here on We Hunted the Mammoth from the beginning: A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been officially recognized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. 

The hate-monitoring group announced the news in its latest “Year in Hate” report yesterday. “[F]or the first time,” the report declared,

the SPLC added two male supremacy groups to the hate group list: A Voice for Men, based in Houston, and Return of Kings, based in Washington, D.C. The vilification of women by these groups makes them no different than other groups that demean entire populations, such as the LGBT community, Muslims or Jews, based on their inherent characteristics.

Both groups have more than earned this long-overdue designation. If you need to be reminded just how, take a stroll through the archives here for literally hundreds of examples of hateful rhetoric and actions by both AVFM and RoK, and/or their respective founders, Paul Elam and Roosh V.

You may also notice, in your stroll through the archives, that both AVFM and (especially) RoK have embraced some of the most noxious views of the racist alt-right directly. Indeed, one of the most notorious participants in the racist Charlottesville march last year — a man jailed for his assault on a counterprotester — was a former contributor to AVFM.

Elam’s response so far to his recognition as a hatemonger by the SPLC has actually been somewhat tame, at least by his standards.

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966383611841859586

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966386487846686725

He also retweeted this lovely sentiment from someone whose Twitter handle is a not-very-subtle reference to the c-word.

https://twitter.com/KruntFrucker/status/966385645743755264

This dude was even more pissed:

https://twitter.com/has_baal/status/966405995999227904

Roosh’s response to his inclusion on the list was a bit, shall we say, ironic as well:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/966402313341595652?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Thanks for proving the SPLC’s point, guys!

The SPLC report also notes a number of other discomfiting facts, starting with this one:

The SPLC’s Year in Hate and Extremism report identifies 954 hate groups – an increase of 4 percent from 2016.

Some of this increase, the report says, was due to a resurgence of fringe black nationalist groups — which the SPLC is quick to distinguish from “activist groups such as Black Lives Matter and others that work for civil rights and to eliminate systemic racism.”

But the real danger comes from the racist right.

[B]lack nationalist groups lagged far behind the more than 600 hate groups that adhere to some form of white supremacist ideology – and they have virtually no supporters or influence in mainstream politics, much less in the White House.

Within the white supremacist movement, neo-Nazi groups saw the greatest growth – from 99 groups to 121. Anti-Muslim groups rose for a third straight year. They increased from 101 chapters to 114 in 2017 – growth that comes after the groups tripled in number a year earlier.

Ku Klux Klan groups, meanwhile, fell from 130 groups to 72. The decline is a clear indication that the new generation of white suprem­acists is rejecting the Klan’s hoods and robes for the hipper image of the more loosely organized alt-right movement.

The overall number of hate groups likely understates the real level of hate in America, because a growing number of extremists, particularly those who identify with the alt-right, operate mainly online and may not be formally affiliated with a hate group.

These groups not only spew hatred; they have helped to spur a frightening rise in racist violence — and murder.

separate SPLC investigation, released earlier this month, found that 43 people were killed and 67 wounded by young men associated with the alt-right over the past four years. Seventeen of the deaths came in 2017.

So AVFM and RoK are in some pretty shitty company here.

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Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

@Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
And I thought I was bad at drawing sexy peoples
or just people in general

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

@Bakunin

All the luck!

Mistyful
Mistyful
3 years ago

@Bakunin – Hope it all goes well for you!

David, I’m so glad you’re feeling up to posting again. It’s a shame that there’s so much to post about.

My kid’s school had a scare about a shooter this past week. The guy had responded to his ex on social media (snapchat?) with a threat about doing something the next day, and some kids in the school saw it and reported it. The would-be-shooter was arrested, and rumors were flying so wildly that I and a bunch of other parents pulled our kids out of school for the rest of the day. No one was hurt.

It was awful, though. I was so scared, but my kids are okay at least. None of this seems real, how is this even debatable? Do we all have to lose people to have it taken seriously?

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

@Mistyful –

Firstly: I am so sorry that happened to your family. That shouldn’t happen to anyone. Ever.

Secondly: The WHTM crowd isn’t as familiar with the gun rights crowd as you are with the MGTOW types, so I’ll fill in a bit because I grew up in the movement: The gun rights movement is a single-issue far-right movement. Like most far-right movements, they’re made up of a mix of True Believers (like my parents) and people who manipulate the true believers for money and/or power (NRA execs, gun company execs, Alex Jones types, etc). There’s a lot of overlap between gun rights extremists, sovereign citizens, the Patriot movement, various Christofascist groups, social regressivists, hate group members, bigots of any and usually several varieties, hard-right militia movements, and doomsday preppers. In fact, most of the extremist gun rights folks I’ve met cover at least two of those bases (my parents, for example, are gun rights extremists, Patriot movement supporters, bigots, and doomsday preppers). So it’s hard not to talk about the others while you talk about gun rights extremism, but I’ll try because that’s a whole can o’ worms there and I could go on for way too long.

There are five keys to remember when dealing with the gun rights crowd on this kind of issue:
1. They believe any social problem (including the problem of shootings) can be solved by more guns. See the mantra of “The only thing that stops a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun.” They marinate themselves in propaganda about lone heros single-handedly saving the day with their trusty self-defense weapon. Often they’ve convinced themselves that they – Mr 70YO doctor with no formal combat training or Ms overweight and out of shape 35YO business person who plays paintball once in a while – would be this Great Hero if something ever happened, and they’ll even express some eagerness over the idea in unguarded moments. They genuinely believe the only thing stopping them from being a hero is lack of opportunity. So when you pooh-pooh the idea of some middle-aged teacher with no combat training single-handedly stopping a school shooter because that’s fucking ridiculous (and it is fucking ridiculous don’t get me wrong – trained experts in that kind of tactical response have at best an 18% hit rate in real situations, can you imagine what an untrained person does?), you’re threatening their own self-image and making them feel personally insulted. Cuz, after all, they’re Joe or Jane Ordinary, too.
2. They believe any attempt to regulate gun rights whatsoever is the first step on a slippery slope to overarching totalitarianism, because if they don’t have their guns, there is nothing to stop (insert boogeyman here – the government, the New World Order, whatever) from taking over. They believe the above because most of them are right-wing authoritarians and fantasize about being the ones in control with absolute authority to do whatever the hell they want – and they feel if that’s what they want, that’s what everyone wants, and only constant vigilance will keep them and theirs free.
3. They believe that any incident involving a gun can be explained by other factors, other than the mere presence of the firearm. Baby shoots mommy in the grocery store and kills her because he was playing with her gun in her purse? That’s the mom’s negligence for storing her weapon improperly, not the gun’s fault (never mind they advertise some weapons as purse weapons…). School shooter? Mental health, not enough armed people in the school to respond, terrorism if the shooter is brown, if the shooter didn’t have a gun he’d use a bomb or a knife, etc. Crime? Tougher policing is needed, not “punishing” the lawful gun owners for the actions of the criminals! I could go on.
4. Their primary tactics in these cases is to delay, deflect and distract. Step 1: Delay. This is not the time to talk about gun control. How dare you politicize this tragedy? Step 2: Deflect. The problem isn’t guns in school, it’s [other issue – violent video games, mental health, whatever]. Step 3: Distract. If you really want to protect children, why don’t you [arm teachers/set up SWAT teams and an armed perimeter on every school/etc]? or Those kids weren’t really victims – they were crisis actors! They know what they’re saying is ridiculous, but that’s not the point – the idea is to buy time for the public attention to move somewhere else, because they know that once public attention is no longer on an issue, the government isn’t going to act.
5. Under no circumstances will they ever argue honestly. They will say they support “reasonable” gun control, but they are lying. They want to seem reasonable so they pretend a compromise can be found and instead work to sabotage it by finding ridiculous sticking points until you give up in frustration, and then they’ll paint you as the bad guy.

So, what I’m saying is: No tragedy will ever be enough for the gun rights crowd. The True Believers are in a cult to the god of gun culture. Nothing will convince them head-on. They pretty much have to find their own doubt somehow and de-radicalize. And the others are too amoral to give a shit. Weirdly, the too-amoral ones are the ones it’s easier to reach – if you can convince them it’s better for them to side with you, they’ll change camps. Think the Republicans who all of a sudden found in their hearts a bit of support for gun control measures in the past week.

As hard as it is to do, what the US needs to do to make progress on this issue is to completely write-off the gun rights crowd and go after the moderate and mainstream conservatives, the swing voters, and the left wing. If you can make it obvious it’s political suicide to take NRA money and support NRA positions, that’s how you win. The kids from Parkland are doing a great job – by refusing to let the three Ds work. They insist they want to be talking about gun control, so they refuse to delay. They redirect the conversation back to guns by providing counter-evidence to the claim and returning back to the topic at hand. And they make fun of the outrageous ideas but – critically – refuse to be distracted. If you control the political conversation, as the kids are doing, you control where politics goes.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

If you can make it obvious it’s political suicide to take NRA money and support NRA positions, that’s how you win.

I think we might finally be headed in this direction now. Companies are starting to sever ties with the NRA because of the impact on their bottom line.

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

Oh – that’s without even going into their “the only person responsible for your safety is you” schtick. Basically, they genuinely believe that anyone who is the victim of a violent crime is partially at fault for contributing their own person to the situation.

Yes, this includes when the victim is a child. Most of gun rights crowd would partially blame toddler-to-preschooler me for getting myself molested by a pedophile, because I should’ve had more personal responsibility and kept myself out of the situation. I know this because a lot of them told me as much to my face in the days before I left the movement. Rarely quite so explicitly – but it’s not super hard to read between the lines especially when they refuse to deny that you’re responsible for being molested when you bring up that situation in a hypothetical. Because “even a child can do something.”

The gun rights crowd could (and probably do) partially blame the students at Parkland for not arming themselves with whatever’s at hand and charging like the fucking Light Brigade at the shooter.

Incel Revolutionary
Incel Revolutionary
3 years ago

I believe your brain is corrupted by a chemical from women that has made you into a beta male permanently or long-term. At this point its hopeless for people like you. But soon enough the incels who have sense will start the revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJjt_xTanSw

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

I think we might finally be headed in this direction now. Companies are starting to sever ties with the NRA because of the impact on their bottom line.

I hope you are. Up here in the North the left is making the mistake of assuming the gun control, voter suppression, and abortion arguments are over. And the Left everywhere in North America made the mistake of assuming far-right extremism was over after the 90s. No, moderates didn’t “win” – the far right learned from its mistakes. They went underground so people would forget what they were while they raised their kids to be the next generation of far-right extremists. Now that their kids are coming of age (I’m one of the oldest of this cohort at 30), we’re seeing a rise in right-wing terrorism. Based on my own childhood, I’m starting to think that isn’t just a coincidence.

The folks who were far-right extremist types and supporters in the 70s-early 90s didn’t all deradicalize when they had kids. A lot of them hold the same beliefs they used to, they just don’t want to engage in open action anymore because getting caught would be harmful to their kids. So instead they set out to de-fang and moderate the public image of the far right (turning the image from a neo-Nazi skinhead beating people to Preston Manning saying ReFOOOORM in a silly nasal voice on This Hour Has 22 Minutes or Stephen Harper droning about economics) while they just raised and groomed their kids to be the next generation. It’s what I was groomed for. The evangelical Quiverfull movement doesn’t have a monopoly on far right belief systems trying to self-propagate through the kids of the previous generations’ firebrands. The idea I was brought up with was that in the inevitable doomsday revolution, I (and my siblings) would be cell leaders who would get glory and become the heroes of the day by overthrowing the totalitarian regime of the Canadian government (yes I realize how ridiculous that sounds now). It was all to be decentralized, with each cell taking inspiration from actions of others and loosely coordinating over emerging platforms like the Internet (the far Right realized and took advantage of the potential of the internet much sooner than the rest of the political spectrum – Stormfront was the first political BBS, frex). The benefit of the decentralized structure was that the Enemy would be too busy playing whack-a-mole with crises to take effective and coordinated action, and without a single figurehead or leader, the movement would live on even if individuals were arrested. When I was a kid, it was reality to me. When I de-radicalized and left the movement, it all seemed so loony as to be laughable. And yet, what’s happening now seems familiar enough to be chilling.

MGTOW is a symptom of the underlying problem of far-right extremism – and that’s a threat we underestimate at our peril.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

They believe any social problem (including the problem of shootings) can be solved by more guns

This is a recurring pattern on the right wing generally.

Religious extremists believe any social problem (including religious bigotry/Islamic terrorism/etc.) can be solved with more prayer, more applying the rules of their preferred holy book, and more forcing those rules on unwilling members of the wider society.

Economic right-wingers believe any social problem (including poverty) can be solved by shoveling more money toward the people who need it least.

White nationalists believe any social problem (including neo-Nazi terrorist acts) can be solved by deporting (or worse) brown people.

And so forth.

They believe any attempt to regulate gun rights whatsoever is the first step on a slippery slope to overarching totalitarianism, because if they don’t have their guns, there is nothing to stop (insert boogeyman here – the government, the New World Order, whatever) from taking over.

Same thing again. Religious extremists think any attempt to limit their ability to impose their religious mores on unwilling nonbelievers (in those mores, at least) is the first step on a slippery slope to overarching debauchery (sounds like fun!) or a takeover by (insert hated heterodox branch/other religion here, e.g. Catholics, Jews, or Muslims if you’re Protestant, or Protestants, Jews, or Muslims if you’re Catholic). Economic right-wingers think any attempt to raise their taxes a few percentage points or implement a social program or two is the first step on a slippery slope to Stalin’s gulags and miserably executed, decrepit and collapsing totally-centrally-planned Soviet economy. White nationalists think any attempt to limit white privilege, e.g. affirmative action or just plain giving everyone equal ability to vote, is the first step on a slippery slope to “white genocide”.

They believe that any incident involving a gun can be explained by other factors, other than the mere presence of the firearm.

And again. Religious extremists explain away religiously motivated terrorism from members of their own faith as “mental illness” or some other something-else, even if there was a clear religiously inspired manifesto. (Remember the Planned Parenthood shooter, caught on tape yelling “No more baby parts!”, being blamed on anything-but-Christian-extremism?) Economic right-wingers explain away poverty as laziness, mediocrity, “why don’t you just get a job?”, lack of entrepreneurship, and so forth — anything but right-wing economic policies. White nationalists explain away white-on-nonwhite terrorism as “mental illness”, etc.

Their primary tactics in these cases is to delay, deflect and distract.

And religious extremists will do so when a member of their faith kills from religious conviction, and the economic right-wing will do so when things like the Grenfell Tower fire or Flint water crisis or Carillion collapse or 2008 mortgage meltdown happen that can be laid directly at the feet of right-wing fiscal policies, particularly privatization. (Privatization is guilty in all four of the above cases: the “public” housing became a public-private partnership and a profit motivated firm cut corners at Grenfell; they put the bankers in charge of deciding Detroit’s fiscal policies, instead of the elected mayor and council; Carillion is a private contractor resulting from outsourcing public works to profit-motivated businesses; and the mortgage meltdown was a culmination of numerous policies, not least of which was making central banks the world over “independent” — that is, controlled by private interests or else wholly unaccountable, instead of under the thumbs of we the people. White nationalists will say “both sides” were bad after something like Charlottesville, then change the subject.

Under no circumstances will they ever argue honestly.

Again, I see that from all right wing groups. Religious ones will use their holy book selectively to support their position, ignoring the parts that undermine it and ignoring everything not in their book; economic right-wingers will stick to an atomized view of isolated, perfectly rational market actors with perfect information where no nonlinearly-bad things happen when people’s bank balances go below zero and similar spherical-cow models come hell or high water. If they don’t cling to something even weirder, like goldbug-ism, all-taxation-is-theft extremism, a very strict (and selective, just like the Bible/Koran/etc.-thumpers) interpretation of the Constitution and/or Ayn Rand, or similarly instead to justify abolishing taxes and all social programs and turning the financial-policy clock back to the 1800s (which, it should be noted, saw recurring bouts of deflationary depression — some economic “golden age” that was). White nationalists simply refuse to view non-whites as fully human beings, rendering them immune to basically any argument from morality.

TL;DR: The five points you raise about gun fondlers seem to apply also to tax haters, religious extremists, privatization peddlers, “libertarians”, white nationalists, and so forth. They seem to be generic to those on the far right wing of every issue.

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

Oh yea, I’m not saying it’s unique at all. More I figured I’d give a primer on the gun rights arguments and tactics as applied to that particular subgroup.

In fact, I think the rest of the spectrum tends to make a mistake in assuming that far right groups are all in separate camps – that the gun rights types are distinct from MRAs are separate from racist groups are separate from alt-right are separate from militias are… etc. The reality looks a lot more like a spider web, or one of those thought cloud things. There’s a lot of overlap between the groups, and they all borrow and learn from each other. Usually a far-right extremist isn’t a single-issue extremist even if they say they are – MRAs are often racists or gun nuts as well as MRAs, preppers are usually also militia types and gun nuts, and so on. Gun nuts are typically also at least three of racist, homophobic, ableist, transphobic and sexist, and often are involved in militia or patriot movement stuff. And so on and so forth.

Humans like to shove things in boxes to simplify the problem, but in a lot of ways, the far-right defies that sort of simple characterization.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Up here in the North the left is making the mistake of assuming the gun control, voter suppression, and abortion arguments are over. And the Left everywhere in North America made the mistake of assuming far-right extremism was over after the 90s.

They did? I’m up here in the north too and every progressive space I’ve ever spent time has discussed these issues. The Democratic party as a whole (there are of course individual exceptions) has dropped the ball on some of these by being afraid to take a hard line. But people in my age group and younger at least have not from what I’ve seen believed the fight is over on any of this.

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

North = Canada in my post, sorry. In Canada they’ve treated those issues as over. That’s a big, big, big mistake.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

… where’s David?

Shadowplay
3 years ago

He said he’d be a bit of time in getting back into daily posting.

In my not so humble opinion, he and his docs have done miracles in getting him back on the horse so quick. You can be the most motivated and enthusiastic person in the world about something and depression will still stop you doing it. In some ways, that seems the worst aspect of depression to me. It takes the simple joy of getting something done away as well. 🙁

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

He was posting daily. Then he stopped again?

ischemgeek
ischemgeek
3 years ago

IDK, hope he’s ok. Depression’s a biochemical vampire that sucks the life out of a person, so here’s hoping he’s ok.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

He’s still tweeting. Depression has ups and downs and some days it’s harder to motivate yourself than others. You don’t get better instantly. It’s no different than if he were recovering from surgery; some days you might feel up to doing a lot and some days your body forces you to rest. Let’s give him some time to heal.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Surplus
All the above. Also, outside of when he did that Today in Tweets series last autumn, he has never kept up a consistent daily posting schedule. Historically speaking, a few days off is rather par for the course with this blog and nothing to be prematurely concerned about necessarily

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

All the good wishes to David anyway – I hope you’re OK, and that you take as much time as you need. Posting is great, as long as it’s not knackering you!

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Saw that on twitter last night.

WTF is NRA TV?
Why is NRA TV!!!

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

Ooh, a troll! I wanna play!

@Incel Revolutionary:

There is no incel that has sense. If an incel had sense, he wouldn’t be an incel. Also, David covered the zombifying vagina goo thing years ago.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Many men these days suffer from beta male syndrome. But your condition doesn’t have to be permanent. Ask your doctor if Incelium is right for you.

Side effects include frothing rage, overarching entitlement, bitterness, loneliness, homicidal ideation, internet trolling and misogyny. Do not take Incelium if you wish to remain a decent person.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
3 years ago

Sigh. We’re back to stupid YouTube videos, huh?

Shadowplay
3 years ago

Oh. An incel. I’ll speak slowly.

What is an incel revolution, anyways? On past form, I say bring it on, but I’m not checking the video. Life’s too short for long winded buggers going on about nothing.

Still, any revolutionary change by incels has to be for the better for all of us. 😛

That was sarcasm. You might have heard of it.

In reality, I’d almost stand aside for it – just to see what happened when incels were in charge and then had no one left to blame for their own unhappiness and toxicity.

Seriously, kid. You want sex? Buy it. You want love? Start on yourself first, cause no one wants to be around some self loathing fool.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

No sex worker deserves that.

Shadowplay
3 years ago

@kupo

I agree. Hard enough job without dealing with entitled whiners.

They’re safe enough from the incel wankers though – no one that entitled is going to pay out for what he thinks someone owes him.

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

@Laugher at Bigots
Has it really been three years? Time sure has flown.

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

@Tovius:

Apparently. I only know about it because Logicked, an atheist YouTuber whom I used to watch, did a video on it soon after it came out and gave it the mockery it richly deserved.

Scildfreja Unnýðnes
Scildfreja Unnýðnes
3 years ago

I think it’s a lovely tradition for David to take weekends off, at a minimum. Get a good monday-to-friday schedule, David! You’re allowed to!

Oh, and an Incel! Who’s trying to do science!

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Please don’t run away, Mr @Incel Revolutionary! Seriously – I will treat your position fairly! Shall we talk about copulins and pheromones in human biopsychology?

Your video, which I did do a look at, is talking about them things, copulins. They’re chemicals in vaginal secretions which are largely involved in the follicular (pre-ovulation) phase of the menstrual cycle. When exposed to copulins, cis-gendered men show a mild increase in testosterone production. (Notably, the effect of copulins doesn’t seem to have been tested on cis women). Based on this, the premise in your video (and plenty of other incel/MRA claims) is that the woms are turning men into zombos with their vaginas.

That is not true. Read the primary research. Exposure to copulins increases testosterone production. The effects of testosterone are increased aggression, increased libido, and a whole mess of other things. The one you incel guys seem most afraid of is the suggestion that increased testosterone leads to an increase in mate guarding behaviour. This suggestion is found in one paper from 2006, and which also states very clearly that the mate-guarding behaviour seemed to have social forces driving them. Further, it’s a suggestion which has never been replicated in research.

Read that again: The thing you’re claiming is not replicable in research. So, it can be discarded until further evidence arrives.

Another thing to note is that copulins don’t direct male attention in any direction, they just increase testosterone production mildly. A dude’s just as likely to go work out or run or fight than he is to be interested in the sexy times.

The leading non-scientific source, the one that makes these claims, is from a website that sells frickin’ love potions and male enhancement products. Is that your trustworthy source, people who then carry on to try to sell you copulins as a testosterone enhancer?

In summary, copulins increase testosterone, and that’s it. If you’re scared of copulins, then you’re scared of having too much testosterone. Go have some soy.

References

Williams, M. N., & Jacobson, A. (2016). Effect of copulins on rating of female attractiveness, mate-guarding, and self-perceived sexual desirability. Evolutionary Psychology, 14(2), 1474704916643328.

Haselton, M. G., & Gangestad, S. W. (2006). Conditional expression of women’s desires and men’s mate guarding across the ovulatory cycle. Hormones and behavior, 49(4), 509-518.

Grammer, K., & Jütte, A. (1997). Battle of odors: significance of pheromones for human reproduction. Gynakologisch-geburtshilfliche Rundschau, 37(3), 150-153.

Blog, L. S. P. Pheromone Science: Effects Of Copulins On Men.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

I believe your brain is corrupted by a chemical from women

This is true, actually. Women give off chemicals to warn each other that incels are in the vicinity, much like trees.

…I love how MGTOWs and incels peddle the most ridiculously convoluted theories to explain why women avoid them. It can’t possibly be because their hatred of women radiates from every pore with the subtlety of cartoon stink lines. 🤔 No, it must be some sort of global estro-Marxist Big Soy conspiracy to spray mysterious chemicals that turn half the human race into slobbering, brainwashed beta supplicants. It’s the opposite of Occam’s Razor. It’s Occam’s Junkyard, full of useless, rusty, excess crap.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

Ninja’d, much more elegantly, by Scildfreja. 😀

Cheerful Warthog
Cheerful Warthog
3 years ago

Plainly, and belatedly, the only real Heathers remake is the musical. The FANTASTIC musical.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Ew, ew, ew. I just saw a site on copulins that presents a whole detailed technique for women to control their male partners – possibly even making them do things against their wishes. Ew.
Someone apparently asked how to do the copulin thing on her unwilling husband, and the response was “he has to sleep sometimes.”
Did I mention, ew?

@Scildfreja

Very nice APA presentation. 9 out of 10 (10 out of 10 if you’d included retrieval details) 😄

Dalillama
Dalillama
3 years ago

@Ischemgeek

Humans like to shove things in boxes to simplify the problem, but in a lot of ways, the far-right defies that sort of simple characterization.

Not really. They’re fascists. Boom, a simple characterization.

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

@Dali

Not really. They’re fascists. Boom, a simple characterization

Are… are you disagreeing with them? Sorry, I’m not getting it 😛

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

@Mish, I looked up that site too! It’s, uh, well. Probably where a lot of the incels and MRAs are getting their !!science!! from. Gave me a giggle fit when I read it!

You can sure trust that author, they’s a hormonologist!

(Incel/MRA dudes reading: Science-people who study hormones are called endocrinologists. Hormonologists use hormone fluctuations to do horoscopes. They’re basically hormone-astrologers.)

I had a fun time reading about how copulins travel into the hypothalamus and turn mans into love-slaves. Totally exactly what the !!science!! says! Nevermind reading the actual primary literature, I’m sure this free-hosted website from 2001 is far more reliable a source!

(I have been watching a little hbomb tonight, so I hope you are reading that all in his voice)

!!science!!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Shadowplay

No one that entitled is going to pay out for what he thinks someone owes him.

That’s what incels say — they’d never pay for sex.

But as with everything they say — including “hi,” “bye,” and “LOL” — I’d have to verify it for myself before I believed it.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Women give off chemicals to warn each other that incels are in the vicinity, much like trees.

Oh, great. Now I’m picturing that terrible movie The Happening with fatal vaginal secretions instead.

That could be either a feminist horror film about women’s last ditch defense against the patriarchy or a porn parody. Depends on it was executed.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Is . . . Is that an angel at that poor girl’s bedside? Come to comfort her?

Trump campaign uses image of Fla. shooting survivor in email asking for donations

President Trump’s reelection campaign on Saturday used an image of a survivor of the recent Florida school shooting in an email asking for donations from its supporters.

The email led with an image of Trump and first lady Melania at the bedside of Madeleine Wilford, 17, who was injured in the shooting.

The same photo had been shared on Trump’s official Instagram last week.

“The nation has turned its attention to the senseless school shooting in Parkland, Florida,” the email read.

“The President is now engaging in an important national conversation about school safety and ways to prevent any future attacks. President Trump is taking steps towards banning gun bump stocks and strengthening background checks for gun purchasers,” the email continued.

“The President has made his intent very clear: ‘making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority.’”

Toward the end of the email is a link to donate to the campaign.

CNN first reported on the email. The Hill has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment.

Trump and the first lady had visited survivors of the shooting in Florida last Friday. Seventeen people were killed after a gunman targeted Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

The president also met with student survivors during a meeting at the White House, where the students pushed for action to prevent further massacres.

http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/trump_campaignemail_florida.jpg?itok=K_blSnbI

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Scildfreja

I was already reading that in HBomb’s voice; I could even see his facial expressions 😂

@WWTH

That could be either a feminist horror film about women’s last ditch defense against the patriarchy or a porn parody. Depends on it was executed.

How about both? I’d watch that for sure.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Kat

Fucking seriously? I almost threw my laptop across the room when I read that. JFC.

PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

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And a kitteh for David
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PaganReader - Misandrist Spinster

Someone apparently asked how to do the copulin thing on her unwilling husband, and the response was “he has to sleep sometimes.”
Did I mention, ew?

Seconding the ew.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Mish

I almost threw my laptop across the room when I read that.

Me too. The story just underscores the fact that the president has no shame. In fact, he seems to revel in his shamelessness, knowing that it makes left-wingers’ eyeballs bleed.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@PaganReader
The kitties might be itty-bitty, but their charm is enormous, not to mention fluffy.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

My thanks to ischemgeek for the detailed and well written gun-lovers primer, almost missed the troll sandwiched in there between posts!

And an informed takedown of the troll from Scildfreja Unnyðnes. Science! I await his response eargerly.

Lovely kittens.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

What response? It was probably a drive-by. 😛

LittleLurker
LittleLurker
3 years ago

@Scildfreja

I love your informed troll-takedowns almost as much as I love that pony.