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Congrats! A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been designated hate groups by the SPLC

Paul Elam of A Voice for Men: Now officially a hatemonger

By David Futrelle

A big round of applause for two websites that have featured here on We Hunted the Mammoth from the beginning: A Voice for Men and Return of Kings have both been officially recognized by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. 

The hate-monitoring group announced the news in its latest “Year in Hate” report yesterday. “[F]or the first time,” the report declared,

the SPLC added two male supremacy groups to the hate group list: A Voice for Men, based in Houston, and Return of Kings, based in Washington, D.C. The vilification of women by these groups makes them no different than other groups that demean entire populations, such as the LGBT community, Muslims or Jews, based on their inherent characteristics.

Both groups have more than earned this long-overdue designation. If you need to be reminded just how, take a stroll through the archives here for literally hundreds of examples of hateful rhetoric and actions by both AVFM and RoK, and/or their respective founders, Paul Elam and Roosh V.

You may also notice, in your stroll through the archives, that both AVFM and (especially) RoK have embraced some of the most noxious views of the racist alt-right directly. Indeed, one of the most notorious participants in the racist Charlottesville march last year — a man jailed for his assault on a counterprotester — was a former contributor to AVFM.

Elam’s response so far to his recognition as a hatemonger by the SPLC has actually been somewhat tame, at least by his standards.

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966383611841859586

https://twitter.com/anearformen/status/966386487846686725

He also retweeted this lovely sentiment from someone whose Twitter handle is a not-very-subtle reference to the c-word.

https://twitter.com/KruntFrucker/status/966385645743755264

This dude was even more pissed:

https://twitter.com/has_baal/status/966405995999227904

Roosh’s response to his inclusion on the list was a bit, shall we say, ironic as well:

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/966402313341595652?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Thanks for proving the SPLC’s point, guys!

The SPLC report also notes a number of other discomfiting facts, starting with this one:

The SPLC’s Year in Hate and Extremism report identifies 954 hate groups – an increase of 4 percent from 2016.

Some of this increase, the report says, was due to a resurgence of fringe black nationalist groups — which the SPLC is quick to distinguish from “activist groups such as Black Lives Matter and others that work for civil rights and to eliminate systemic racism.”

But the real danger comes from the racist right.

[B]lack nationalist groups lagged far behind the more than 600 hate groups that adhere to some form of white supremacist ideology – and they have virtually no supporters or influence in mainstream politics, much less in the White House.

Within the white supremacist movement, neo-Nazi groups saw the greatest growth – from 99 groups to 121. Anti-Muslim groups rose for a third straight year. They increased from 101 chapters to 114 in 2017 – growth that comes after the groups tripled in number a year earlier.

Ku Klux Klan groups, meanwhile, fell from 130 groups to 72. The decline is a clear indication that the new generation of white suprem­acists is rejecting the Klan’s hoods and robes for the hipper image of the more loosely organized alt-right movement.

The overall number of hate groups likely understates the real level of hate in America, because a growing number of extremists, particularly those who identify with the alt-right, operate mainly online and may not be formally affiliated with a hate group.

These groups not only spew hatred; they have helped to spur a frightening rise in racist violence — and murder.

separate SPLC investigation, released earlier this month, found that 43 people were killed and 67 wounded by young men associated with the alt-right over the past four years. Seventeen of the deaths came in 2017.

So AVFM and RoK are in some pretty shitty company here.

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Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

No surprise that Paul takes this designation as a badge of honor, and presumably a fundraising opportunity.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

I distinctly don’t remember being catapulted forward on the corpses of men and boys… I think I’d remember something like that.

Its funny really, this strange idea he has that all the men and boys who die in war were somehow doing it for the furtherance of womankind… that must be why they dropped all those bombs on cities.

Lord Pabu
Lord Pabu
3 years ago

Finally! It’s about time that anti-woman sentiment get recognized as hateful, and the organized extremists with those views recognized as hate groups. It took too long, but I’m so glad it’s finally happened.

calmdown
calmdown
3 years ago

@ Victorious Parasol

Yes, I notice both of these guys are really into selling their “advice” to other angry men. So they are not just hate groups, they are scams as well. To bad the BBB won’t go after them too.

Andrew
Andrew
3 years ago

“How dare you accuse us of being hate groups?! We’ll shoot you!” LOGIC.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

Finally the obvious is stated. Oh and what lovely twitter comments to show off their benevolence /s

Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
Sinkable John : Pansy Ass Pinko, Regicidal Beast-of-Burden
3 years ago

So, that rule about every time a dude tries to mansplain why feminism is dumb, they prove feminism is necessary ?

Someone less medicated than me needs to come up with the corollary we’re seeing at work here.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

The responses to being put on the Hate Watch justify being put on the Hate Watch?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I’m not happy with how misogyny doesn’t ever seem to count as hate on the same level as other types of bigotry even though it is so pervasive. So this is a good baby step in the right direction.

you money grubbing, POS shyster con artists,

This is my favorite. Coming from someone who tells his followers to live on ramen noodle packs so they can donate their last dollars to him, and coming from someone who has admitted all funds raised go directly into his own pocket, and coming from someone who claims to be a men’s “human rights” activist but has never helped any man but himself with his donations, this is just so, so rich.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago
The Adjunct
The Adjunct
3 years ago

Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving group of people. *coughs*

Iseult The Idle
Iseult The Idle
3 years ago

Yeah, the one unhinged “how dare you accuse me of hate? you deserve to DIE” guy was a little scary.

I always picture guys like that posting/tweeting with flecks of spittle in the corners of their mouths, snarling and grimacing at their imaginary enemies.

If stress is as bad for us as doctors say, I can’t imagine why these guys aren’t falling out like flies.

At any rate: it’s good to have them listed as hate groups. Now let’s work on making guns harder for them to get.

Godzilla Roberts
Godzilla Roberts
3 years ago

Took them long enough.

tim gueguen
3 years ago

Roosh says the Jews are coming after him again. How long before he starts posting pictures of swastikas and anti-Semitic caricatures on his Twitter feed?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

Well, that lasted.

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Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
3 years ago

About time some of these groups got pegged up for what they are–and the same for the folks in ’em. People are people, and people who won’t recognize people of different sorts as people aren’t really doing much for anyone but the ones in power.

Side news: threw chicken, grape tomatoes, garlic, and onions into the Instant Pot. I have the makings of something good.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
3 years ago

Uh…

Being called a hate group by the SPLC is like being called fat by Rosie O’Donnell

So he’s saying that yes, AVfM is a hate group, but so is the SPLC? Setting aside the fatshaming, I’m not sure he actually understands how the “pot-kettle” comparison works.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

The Twitter reactions are about as expected.

“The SPLC is an extreme far-left organization who target Conservatives! They spread more hate than they track! It’s run by a bunch of Jews! Yada yada yada yada!” ad nauseum.

So exhausting.

calmdown
calmdown
3 years ago

I think a lot of Alt Rights think of SPLC as a “hate group,” just like they think BLM is a “terrorist” organization.

oops ninja’d by Peevee

Paradoxical Intention: Resident Cheeseburger Slut

Victorious Parasol | February 21, 2018 at 3:18 pm
No surprise that Paul takes this designation as a badge of honor, and presumably a fundraising opportunity.

Nothin’ more lucrative than martyrdom. It worked for that Jesus guy!

Tosca; Chaos made Flesh, Servant of the Purring Jew
Tosca; Chaos made Flesh, Servant of the Purring Jew
3 years ago

@ Sinkable John;

So, that rule about every time a dude tries to mansplain why feminism is dumb, they prove feminism is necessary ?

You’re thinking of Lewis’s Law, “The comments on any article about feminism, justify feminism”.

So in this case: “The reaction to your group being designated a Hate Group, prove the SLPC is correct to designate it a Hate Group”.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@misophistry

Women are being forced, pushed, launched, catapulted & carried forward on the corpses of men & boys

Yeah, I don’t remember being catapulted forward either. Good catch.

As for the forcing, pushing, launching, and being carried forward on the corpses of men & boys, I’m drawing a blank there too. I’m pretty sure the smell alone would be extremely memorable.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

This is sort of related, insofar as it involves far-right people yelling about censorship: Twitter recently did a massive “bot purge”; many accounts have lost followers, and/or have had to re-verify.
Of course this is “left censorship”. I just spent 10 minutes scrolling through the #TwitterLockOut hashtag and it’s hilarious:

When you think a private company is America (ohmygod these ones are endless):

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When you’re feeling melodramatic:

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When you want to feel special:

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(I’ll stop now…)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

So… it’s election meddling to ban bots created specifically to meddle in politics and elections?

Zatar
Zatar
3 years ago

I honestly can’t tell if Krunt Fruckers use of “Nazi hate Propaganda” is accusing the Southern Poverty Center of being like the Nazi’s or is just anger about them being against the Nazi’s.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

I guess you’ve all seem this illustration of Trump needing cue cards in order to fake empathy?

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kupo
kupo
3 years ago

So… it’s election meddling to ban bots created specifically to meddle in politics and elections?

The bots are just part of the natural order. By banning them we influence results. /s

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
3 years ago

Well, all the words on Drumpf’s card seem to be spelled correctly, so someone else probably wrote it out for him . . .

“I hear you.” No, you don’t.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

It’s a funny thing, but if you practice saying empathetic statements, even if you don’t believe them at first, you start to actually learn empathy and actually believe them. Now, this asshole probably isn’t going to stick with it long enough for that to work, but I can at least hope he starts to feel bad.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

They fucking added a voice for men to a fucking hate list jesus fucking christ, feminism is a cancer and all feminists should be shot

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Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@WWTH:

I’m not happy with how misogyny doesn’t ever seem to count as hate on the same level as other types of bigotry even though it is so pervasive. So this is a good baby step in the right direction.

you money grubbing, POS shyster con artists,

This is my favorite. Coming from someone who tells his followers to live on ramen noodle packs so they can donate their last dollars to him, and coming from someone who has admitted all funds raised go directly into his own pocket, and coming from someone who claims to be a men’s “human rights” activist but has never helped any man but himself with his donations, this is just so, so rich.

I believe psychologists call that “projecting the shadow”.

It means Elam knows darn well exactly what he is, on at least some level.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Alan
Ha, ha! No, I hadn’t seen it. Thanks for that.

Also notable: His cuffs are monogrammed “45.” Vanity, thy name is Donald J. I can only hope that he paid his tailor all that was owed. Oh, who am I kidding! He gave the tailor 60 percent of what the bill said and told that tailor, “You’ll get FANTASTIC publicity! UNBELIEVABLE publicity! That’s BETTER than money!”

DrSpleen
DrSpleen
3 years ago

eh, I don’t really see the notes as a big deal; he’s addressing the nation, it makes sense to have notes on hand to make sure he covers all his points. I’d think that every other president in recent history uses notes in all of their addresses to the nation; Trump’s only mistake was letting his notes be seen.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It’s not that he needed notes to remind him of things to say that’s the issue. It’s the fact that he’s so lacking in empathy that he had to have a reminder on how to perform it. If one really wants to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe that’s just a can’t miss filler sentence for if he’s stuck and doesn’t know what to say. But considering he’s will known for being a giant asshole, it’s justified to take the less charitable view.

I do actually think it’s troubling that the president can’t think on his feet though. Communication is one of the biggest jobs of the presidency. Whether it’s communicating with citizens or with foreign diplomats and leaders. Not everyone has the ability to speak well off the cuff and that’s okay for members of the general population. It’s not okay for a president.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@DrSpleen
Right. There’s no irony, no disconnect in the fact that the man known for his bombast, bluster, and bigotry is now being commanded by his humble notes to say, “I hear you.” None at all.

Bina
3 years ago

Hey SPLC … Fuck off with your twisted Nazi hate propaganda.

YOU ARE FIRST AGAINST THE WALL.

Irony…can you not smell it?

Also, I hope everyone’s reporting this toadstool to Twitter.

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

“How dare you Nazis call us Nazis! By the way, [Nazi Talking Point].”

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

Of course I just saw this in the related posts, a WHTM article from 2015

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/05/11/is-the-bigot-fighting-southern-poverty-law-center-the-real-hate-group-one-mens-rights-butthead-says-yes/

This really has been a long time coming.

Zatar
Zatar
3 years ago

Paul asking why it took so long for his organization to be listed as a hate group is the closest he’ll ever come to asking a question with any legitimacy.

Bina
3 years ago

@Laugher:

“How dare you Nazis call us Nazis! By the way, [Nazi Talking Point].”

You forgot the (((triple parentheses)))!

@Zatar:

Paul asking why it took so long for his organization to be listed as a hate group is the closest he’ll ever come to asking a question with any legitimacy.

As the saying goes, he keeps teetering on the brink of an epiphany…and then toppling down the other side.

Bina
3 years ago

Also, I’m reminded of something that crossed my Facebook feed the other day:

Telling Antifa they’re the “real fascists” is like telling firefighters they’re the real fires.

(I’m paraphrasing here, but that’s the basic gist.)

Laugher at Bigots
3 years ago

@Bina:

You forgot the (((triple parentheses)))!

Oh, shit, you’re right. The Jew Parentheses (as I like to call them) are so eminently mockable, but they didn’t even cross my mind! Let me try again:

“How dare you (((Nazis))) call us Nazis!”

dr. ej
dr. ej
3 years ago

@Alan

I saw a comment about the “I hear you” note earlier today and I thought it was a joke.

Apparently, I have learned nothing in the past year.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
3 years ago

About time.

Samantha Kaswell
Samantha Kaswell
3 years ago

I rarely write on the ‘net anymore, due to time constraints and energy spent exploring many strange and wonderful things, but I just had to respond to this.

Firstly, my deepest thanks and respect to David for taking the time to research and report on things like this. Sadly, the depth and profound consequences of the hatred and fear that so many people – mostly men – have for women is barely reported on in the “usual” places. Racism – especially towards native populations – and the hatred of the natural world and the defining of it primarily as a cash cow for wealthy assholes, rampant sexism and violence against even the children…these are all dealt with superficially. The Mammoth is one of the places where these issues are explored…where profit and the maintenance of a destructive world view are exposed for what they are. So, thank you for this, David.

Secondly, it is about time that these groups are named…called out for the lying evil that they are. So, thanks to the Southern Poverty Law Center as well.

To name a thing is to demystify it and to take away its power. And it reminds us that we hold the power.

TreePerson
TreePerson
3 years ago

The responses remind me of how homophobic hate groups call lgbt rights orgs “anti-christen hate groups”.

In unrelated news I had a birthday recently and my mother got me jewelry with my pronouns on them (they/them),
well more like I picked them out and she covered the cost knowing exactlly what they were/meant but the sentiment is the same.

edit to add: Glad to see you posting again David I hope you are doing alright.

@Samantha Kaswell
If I recall in western mysticism and exorcisms knowing a demons name is the first step in gaining power over it.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

I can’t even think of a comment for this; but it doesn’t really need any.
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Sseba
Sseba
3 years ago

Hello,
can someone help me find the historically glorious thread of the seagull-hunter? I tried searching, but I don’t remember the title of the post.
Would be much appreciated!

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Surplus to Requirements
I finally responded to you about the Life Before Earth paper.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Those incredible Parkland teenagers are still kicking butt out there 💖

@dr ej,
I thought those notes were fake at first, too – like the Trump signing legislation memes:

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Then when I saw the “45” that Kat mentioned, I thought they’d popped that on to remind him who he was…

@TreePerson, that’s awesome re the jewellery! If you’re able (& willing) to post a photo, I’d love to see it.

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