By David Futrelle
FADE IN
INT. DEPARTMENT OF MOTOR VEHICLES
WOMAN WAITING IN LINE TO RENEW DRIVERS LICENSE:
Dude, could you maybe stop blatantly staring at my boobs?
GUY WHO JUST WROTE A 1000-WORD POST FOR RETURN OF KINGS TITLED “THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH STARING AT A WOMAN’S BREASTS”
This boils down to slandering healthy male sexuality as if there’s something abnormal in a man who feels sexual desire towards a beautiful woman and likes boobs and firm butts. The reality, of course, is that nothing could be more normal than this …
But even this mere feeling of desire and sexual interest towards women is slandered and labeled as something questionable these days. …
Why do people propagate this message so eagerly these days? I can only guess, but it seems quite clear to me that these people feel some kind of fear towards male sexuality. The male sexual desire itself is somehow scary or dangerous and should be denigrated and slandered so that men would begin to feel shame about their completely healthy desires.
In a certain way, these people want to castrate men: make men into sheepish “gentlemen” who no longer look women with “greedy eyes” and feel sexual desire towards them, or who at least are ashamed of it and keep it to themselves. This is a form of psychological castration and I can only feel a strong sense of contempt towards people who propagate this bullshit. …
The message is a malicious attempt to slander and denigrate normal male sexuality. “Gentleman” here seems to be a man who doesn’t even feel sexual desire towards women anymore and never looks at women with “greedy eyes.” In other words, an abnormal castrate instead of a healthy man. What a truly despicable agenda!
GUY turns to look at woman. She is gone. Everyone else is gone. He is locked inside the now-closed DMV.
FADE OUT
@Hexum7
These men are not shamed and stifled. They are precisely the opposite. Their gargantuan senses of entitlement and demand for unearned respect are the result of them not being sufficiently shamed.
@Weirwood
I have no shame referring to working-class anti-semites who shit on the hard won achievements of my people as being white trash. Get over yourself.
I think you’re over analyzing him. The manosphere has a long history of appropriating the language of social justice and trying to use it as a gotcha against “SJWs.”
Feminists talk about slut shaming, so they tried to make creep shaming a thing. He doesn’t feel shamed. He’s just using the word because his goal is to prevent women from having and enforcing boundaries. It’s a time honored tactic of theirs.
I’m sure you probably mean well and all but women are constantly asked empathize with the men who want harm us and anything that looks like a suggestion that we coddle the feelings of misogynists is not going to go over well here.
Women are shamed for being attractive, not being attractive, trusting men who wind up hurting us, not trusting men because we fear they might harm us, saying yes to sex, saying no to sex, wearing makeup, not wearing makeup and on and on and on. Yet we somehow manage not to have whole websites dedicated to learning how to abuse men well. I kind of don’t care if this guy feels shamed or not. But I’m betting he doesn’t.
@Female Yid
The comments policy doesn’t agree with you. Please be respectful to it and to other commenters.
@Hexum7
Be a dear and pipe down. We’ve all got bigger fish to fry–or at least pizza to reheat.
In an attempt to reconcile @wwth and @FemaleYid:
-While everyone who voted for Trump is racist in some sense (from not caring enough to not commit a racist act to doing it solely to oppress), there is a difference between actors (ex. Charlottesville lot) and supporters (ex. my parents). Both are shitty, both support shitty policies. But there is a meaningful difference when it comes to “who are we discussing, exactly?”.
-When it comes to the rich, it should be noted that Repubs are overt white supremacists, Dems are more covert ones. Neither of them as a bloc are going to do much good the way things are now, and flouty billionaires generally pay for who they want to win and what they’ll do from there anyway.
-I’m guessing FemaleYid means White Feminism™ in its most abysmally useless form?
-probably avoid using ‘white trash’ though. While it does assure we know who you’re talking about, it’s tremendously classist–and it’s the lower class that’s been lied to and manipulated. Yeah, there’s shitty members of it, but the roots of the issue lie upward. This isn’t your garden-variety houseplant–this is a gravity garden.
I took too long on this so things might’ve moved forward sooooooherewego.
It’s interesting that Female Yid showed up a day after mrex was banned.
FEMALE YID, I noted that he is bigly entitled. There’s no question about that, but I think that the fact that he feels shamed is very telling of a massive perpetual focus on shaming issues. Can’t it be both?
That, or maybe he was just disingenuously playing the fake outrage card using buzzwords. Could be a combination of all three.
But if we end the conversation with how terrible this guy is, and never go further into the reasons, or try to have some empathy about whatever drives this shit, other than patriarchal memes ( I mean in the literal sense, not the Internet definition) this will remain the same, no matter how much women break the glass ceiling. You can’t fight what you don’t understand.
At Ieast, that’s my opinion
kupo, please chill. I just asked you a question- one which wouldn’t have required more than a one word answer, not to tutor me. Sheesh
Never mind “chilling”, must already be cold up on that high horse
@Hexum7, would you kindly not.
> ’m guessing FemaleYid means White Feminism™ in its most abysmally useless form?
Oh it’s quite useful…for female plutocrats and heiresses that is.
Class is the ultimate oppression, and women as a whole are worse off since the neoliberal reforms of the eighties.
@ hexum7
I’m generally in favour of rehabilitation as a concept. However when it comes to the MRAlt-Right crowd I’m reminded of ‘Day of the Dead’ and that scientist guy who experiments with trying to rehabilitate zombies. It’s like “Well that’s all very interesting, but what’s the frikkin point?”
In both cases it’s just a waste of time. It may be that, with lots of effort, you can marginally get through to a few aberrant individuals, but on a global scale it’s just not worth it. You’re better off utilising your resources on anti zombie tactics.
And yet you love using a classist insult.
I’d advise aiming your punches up rather than down, @FemaleYid.
@Alan
Imma readying my anti-zombie defenses!
…oh, I guess cardboard doesn’t contain them after all.
Wow, that is one scary cat; cute rhinarium though.
Sigh. I guess we were die for a “class is the only oppression” troll. What I wouldn’t give for a troll who thinks Russian and Spanish share the same alphabet or a troll who thinks feminists are jealous of Hello Kitty instead.
I’d even settle for an MRAL sock.
Nah, I’m jealous of chococat. Hello kitty isn’t even the best Sanrio.
Troubelle- kindly not do what? Express my opinion? Try to add something that people seem not to want to consider into the conversation.
Wierwood- I wasn’t suggesting that we try to “fix” this guy, or even guys like him. But this is a systematic problem. Granted, RoK writers are not exactly in tune with the way much of society thinks- but they aren’t that far, either. It’s just a cartoony exaggerated version of how men are taught to be- not a fringe ideology
…Stand back.
-inhale-
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@Hexum7, let me try to explain the reaction you’re getting, my duck! There’s a good reason for it, and I don’t think you’re getting it.
Do hold tight, I have to be AFK awhile, but I will give you the deets on why your benign comment was not greeted as warmly as you had hoped! Will post in a little bit.
WWTH, my spidey senses are tingling, also.
I wonder what Owly is up to, these days?
Especially with the “get over yourself” comment.
Troubelle, I love it when you nyoom. It makes me giggle every time.
Anti suspected troll kitteh
Alex, I’ll take, “Condescending and belittling comments for $1000”:
Oh, oh, oh, I know this one!
What is tone policing?
…
Did I win?
@Hexum
Since no one has answered you as yet, and while waiting for Scild to give you the low down –
Don’t tell folk to chill.
It is not a good thing, for several reasons.
@Hexum7, I am back, and sorry for the delay. I’ll give you the explanation. It’s brief! It’s also my own, and others may have different ones, but I like mine.
(might get a little trigger’y (TW: Abuse) near the end, my ducks)
Women been told from birth that they need to consider the feelings of others before their own. It’s practically the definition of “a good woman”. This is basically the way that patriarchy begins molding girls into secondary people, subservient to men. It’s what women are told to be their entire lives.
This training from an early age creates vulnerabilities that abusers use to exploit women. It creates implicit relationships which form the core of the imbalanced sexism that’s at the core of the traditional social dynamic. In short, it’s one of the vital organs of the body of patriarchy.
So – I mean, you’re right. These MRAs and PUAs and Alt-Right Incel garbos are human, and it’s sad what happened to them. The same patriarchal structure that crushes women also twists men, and it’s a shuddering shame. That’s true, and no exaggeration.
But you won’t get much sympathy for them here, nor should you ask for or expect it. The legacy of harms done to women from literally before they can understand speech makes every woman carry some measure of trauma from the expectation of empathy-on-demand. Feeling sorry for the schoolyard bully is okay, but perhaps not what to lead with when your audience is their targets.
Don’t feel bad. Intersectionality’s hard, my duck. We all have to come to terms with the fact that we have a limited view of perceptions outside of our own. Heaven knows I’ve had a heck of a hard time with it! I hope that you can grapple with it and come out on top.
Sorry if that came off a bit preachy! Not quite long enough for fluttershy gifs, though. Sorry.