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MAGAs insist that Mueller’s indictment of Russians somehow proves there was “no collusion.” It doesn’t.

I think there might be something to see here

By David Futrelle

As you may have heard, special prosecutor Bob Mueller dropped a little bomb today — charging 13 Russians and several Russian organizations with a conspiracy to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and support the candidacy of one Donald Trump.

It was, the indictment claims, a massive operation, involving upwards of 80 people working out of a Russian troll farm called The Internet Research Agency, not only creating fake internet identities to spread misinformation and anti-Hillary propaganda but also organizing real world rallies here in the US.

The indictment is kind of a big deal. It sets out the scope, and provides some key details, of the Russian attempt to sway the election here. If Mueller can prove anyone in the Trump campaign wittingly colluded with this Russian campaign, they are in deep trouble. Tick tock, as they say.

In the alternative world of the alt-right MAGAsphere, though, Mueller’s indictments today are actually good news for Trump.

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/964591593847246848

Even Julian Assange jumped aboard the “no collusion” train.

The notion that today’s indictment somehow “clears” Trump and his pals is of course absurd. Insofar as it is based on anything at all, it is based on a gross misunderstanding or deliberate misrepresentation of a couple of remarks from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein’s announcement of the indictments today.

Rosenstein, clearly choosing his words carefully, noted in his remarks that “there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity.”

Nothing in this statement suggests that there was “no collusion.” Rosenstein is simply noting that no Americans are being charged with collusion “in this indictment.”

Mueller isn’t closing up shop just yet, and we can expect more indictments to come. Some of which will, I suspect, involve charges against more than a few Americans for knowingly conspiring with the Russian election-meddlers.

Rosenstein also noted that “there is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.”

Again, that’s not PROOF that there was no effect, or anything like that. The DOJ has made clear in the past that it is not their job to prove or disprove that the Russian meddling led to Trump’s victory, merely that Russians did in fact meddle. The DOJ is professionally agnostic on the issue of effect.

Don’t expect any of this to penetrate the MAGA mind. Indeed, alt-lite conspiracy-monger and alleged wannabe adulterer Jack Posobiec is even charging “The Left” with ignoring reality. (A bit rich coming from a former Pizzagate promoter.)

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/964604360935329793

Others in the MAGAsphere fantasize that Mueller’s indictments today will mean bad news for one particular woman they are not terribly fond of.

This MAGAhead, meanwhile, took a certain comfort in the President’s tiny, upwardly pointed, thumbs.

https://twitter.com/BasedMonitored/status/964594625460752384

You may recall another American president with a penchant for aiming certain fingers upward.

That didn’t work out so well for him.

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Hippodameia
Hippodameia
2 years ago

SFHC:

Mrex the Hillary-hating White Feminist™ showed up soon after RubyHypatia the Hillary-hating feMRA was banned. RubyHypatia the Hillary-hating feMRA reappeared immediately after Mrex the Hillary-hating White Feminist™ was banned. Coincidence?…

I’ve been thinking the same thing.

RubyHypatia
RubyHypatia
2 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6f4tZFZ_-g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGqD8-a-REQ

Yep, even Obama smeared her. Not only that, but the media turned on her, which was spoofed by SNL. She mentions that skit here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYxbRY8MVKc
I remember it because it was pretty funny, and so true.

Anyway, both Trump and Clinton gave their detractors plenty to work with, Hillary just had more baggage.

As for the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, again, why collude with them if they were going to spend so little money compared to what Trump was spending? She lost because she was a horrible candidate.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Anyway, both Trump and Clinton gave their detractors plenty to work with, Hillary just had more baggage.

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/point-and-laugh-gif-9.gif

comment image

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/choofed.gif

There’s not even anything left to say at this point.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

There’s not even anything left to say at this point.

Sure there is:

I’ve emailed David.

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Thank you, SFHC!

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

blease

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

As for the Russian collusion conspiracy theory, again, why collude with them if they were going to spend so little money compared to what Trump was spending? She lost because she was a horrible candidate.

It costs very little to influence people on the ‘net, Ruby.

In your case, it’s free.

@Troubelle, I love “blease”.

I’m going to lift that from you.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent + Bard of the New Movement
2 years ago

@PeeVee

It’s a thing that spawned from the Sandsverse (a Tumblr thing involving accounts mimicking human-intellect[?] animals with peculiar speech patterns attempting to do peculiar things). Precisely how I’m unsure, but I get mileage from ‘blease’.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
2 years ago

@David Futrelle
This day just keeps getting better.

PeeVee the Tired
PeeVee the Tired
2 years ago

@Troubelle,

Whatever its origins, I’m going to nick it, because it’s a perfectly cromulent word.

@David,

Thank you. For all you do. Although several posts a day are nice, please do not overtax yourself. I’m just glad you’re back.

Jesalin
Jesalin
2 years ago

And thanks, everyone who’s been posting nice things about my return. I think I’m back for good…

Awesome! Very glad to hear(read) it!

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
2 years ago

@David, nthing the expressions of happy you are better enough to be back here! Keep well, don’t knock yourself back by doing too much too soon, take care of yourself 🙂
Thank you for making this place what it is!

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
2 years ago

One thing that gets my goat in all the Hillary-hate is that no one ever acknowledges that, when needed, she is brave.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a40772/hillary-clinton-undercover-civil-rights/

Going alone, under false pretenses, trying to gather evidence of discrimination takes more guts than most people have.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

Nthing the nthings of opposablethumbs, Jesalin, and PeeVee.
It’s lovely to see all the new posts, David. But take care of yourself first and foremost.
Sorry, second-most (forgot momentarily that the cats come first, obv)

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
2 years ago

Katamount, I just saw this; sorry!

Bluegal over at Crooks and Liars thinks it’s $4 a gallon gasoline. Yeah, that might do it. Although Bush dealt with high gas prices and he still had his 25-30% of regime dead-enders.

Yeah, I don’t think even *then* that’s gonna faze them. I have seen it go over that before, and nope. It didn’t make the hard-core sychophants blink.

It just made them go “we’ll come in and take the oil!”, something that, you recall, the Orange Menace has expressed.