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Merry Christmas, if you’re into that sort of thing!

Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.

And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.

— David, who is hanging in there

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624

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Shadowplay
6 years ago

Australia is actually a fake country

It’s not a country! It’s a continent!!! If you insist it’s a country, you WILL FAIL YOUR ASSIGNMENT!!!11

In other news – yeah, that happened. 😛

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
6 years ago

@Jenora Feuer

Four times??!! Wow…… I mean I felt kinda strange being called at all when neither of my parents nor my brother have been called, nor even my boss. But four times… whew. It’s been six years since my turn, so I’m sure I’m eligible again (is it three or five years between calls?), but I’d rather not have to miss work to sit around a crowed room downtown.

@Croquembouche

I think you’ve nailed the rub of it. My first exposure to Martin Freeman (as I think it was for most) was the British version of The Office and seeing as Tim Canterbury, the “Nice Guy” of an office full of maladjusted weirdos and a-holes, and I don’t think that role ever really left him, much as David Brent I don’t think every quite left Ricky Gervais. So rather than being surprised that Freeman’s a terrible person, we’re more shocked that Tim Canterbury is a terrible person.

*shrug* Watching a lot of the old quote-unquote “skeptic” YouTube folks I used to watch expose their bigoted side has kinda numbed me to this, and they were a lot closer to earth than movie stars. Some out there derisively refer to it as a “purity test”, but abiding people’s basic dignity has become such a point of contention that I don’t care about how much you as a straight white guy support gay marriage or legalized pot and object to fundamentalist religion; if you’re standing in opposition to emancipatory movements started by black, indigenous or the LGBT (especially the T) populations, or worse, if you’re willing to traffic in negative stereotypes of those communities, then you’re not good enough a person in 2018. Because you weren’t a good enough person in 1964 with those same attitudes.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

@ Mish

Yay! Whadja get? *happy bounce* I hope you like them!

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

I think I saw the “Australia is fake” theory mentioned on Twitter. The idea being, that a small, remote continent was made up by the British authorities over 200 years ago so that thousands of criminals could be “sent to the Australian colonies” when they were actually just murdered out of sight. Makes almost perfect sense, I have to say.

Only I don’t understand why the modern governments, media organizations, corporations and assorted private individuals keep pretending that Australia is a thriving, globally somewhat important nation populated in part by millions of recent immigrants. It must be a vast global conspiracy.

If we still still can’t acknowledge the murder of those prisoners, surely it’d be easiest to portray Australia as an almost uninhabited, almost uninhabitable, desolate piece of land that has no practical relevance to anyone, where only a handful of fictional people survive in relative isolation as the descendants of the original colonists.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 years ago

@Katamount:
Yes, four times. That said, I’ve lived in Toronto for twenty-five years, and actually owned the house I’m living in for twenty of those last twenty-five. I believe homeowner rolls are part of where they get the information for jury panel requests. And as I noted, both of the last two times I was only called in for one specific case, which didn’t actually go to jury trial, so I was only down at the courtroom for the day. (One of them was just the morning; we were out of there by 9:30 or so. File in, wait for judge, get told case was resolved late last night, judge asks if anybody present works for the TTC because there’s apparently some other case about to start where somebody who knows about internal operations would be useful.) Both of the first two times were pre-9/11, so there wasn’t the metal detector at the court building entrance yet.

Based on https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/jury/juryduty.php it’s a minimum of three years between panels.

kupo
kupo
6 years ago

Am I the only one who thought Tim on the office was an asshole? He felt entitled to the affections of Dawn, who was engaged and turned him down multiple times. He played pranks on Gareth simply to get a rise out of him. I know we’re supposed to like this character but think about how this person would treat you in the real world. Is that someone you would enjoy hanging out with?

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
6 years ago

@kupo

Nope, you’re not alone on that score. I found Tim’s proposition of Dawn that went awry very off-putting and entitled, textbook “Nice Guy (TM)” behaviour.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@Jenora:

If homeownership significantly increases the probability of jury duty, doesn’t that mean juries are class-biased to be mostly middle-and-above, without working-class Joes and Janes?

At least now that housing is all but unaffordable to the working class?

@everyone:

Saw this over at Vox.

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/2/1/16952744/me-too-larry-nassar-judge-aquilina-feminism

Thoughts?

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

I never watched the Office – but I don’t understand that fans of Martin Freeman think he is like ‘cute little nice guy’ who is sweet and funny in interviews. I find he seems arrogant and self – important, so I am not surprised before about what SFHC said. it seems like this is his character, and simply he wants everyone to believe he is lovely ‘normal’ guy.

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
6 years ago

*sigh* It was just a matter of time, but Fox is now farming content from 4chan:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-promotes-then-deletes-bonkers-obama-portrait-secret-sperm-conspiracy-theory

Whatchoo folks think of those official portraits? I’m digging Michelle’s, but I really don’t like the way Barack looks like he’s floating on the greenery. It’s just weird and kinda makes the portrait look too much like a Magic Eye pattern.

Just to toot Canada’s horn a bit, I’m actually pretty fond of Michaelle Jean’s official portrait as Governor General:

http://www.labellephoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/JPL_0561(pp_w920_h351).jpg

Certainly breaks the mold and gives the viewer a flavour of not only her personality, but the role of the GG in Canada.

Adrienne Clarkson’s is rather striking as well:

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epitome of incomprehensibility

@Shadowplay – Late as usual, but I wouldn’t mind taking a look at your writing*. I followed you on Twitter (my profile pic shows me reading a book upside down). 🙂

The Colton Boushie case is distressing. I don’t buy for a minute that Gerald Stanley’s gun went off by accident; who does? My dad commented that it seems like a cynical claim – that the Stanleys don’t expect to be believed, but that the “accident” statement is sending the message that indigenous people better stay off white people’s land or else they might also meet with an “accident”. He’s phrasing it in a dramatic way (I mean, I’d think they’d want to be believed in some way, if only to avoid jail time), but that doesn’t mean he’s essentially wrong. There’s deeply ingrained racism here.

*My fiction reading/writing experience tends towards realist, surreal, sci-fi, experimental and comedic stuff – not that I don’t like other genres, but I don’t know as much about, say, paranormal or fantasy

Shadowplay
6 years ago

Thank you, epitome! Messaged you the link 🙂

@Katamount

I’m the opposite. Really liked Barack’s portrait, thought Michelle’s was really meh (and not terribly good – it’s lifeless and she’s anything but that.)

epitome of incomprehensibility

@Surplus to Requirements, re article – I like the “prevention vs. cure” approach. I’m a bit iffy about the writer’s tendency to lump feminists together, or suggest that those who favour legal recourse support more incarceration. But there are some good practical suggestions in it:

[Equality] means expanding the social safety net so survivors don’t need to remain with abusers. It means delinking health care from employment status so that one’s health doesn’t depend on remaining in an abusive workplace.

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
6 years ago

@Shadowplay

That seemed to be the consensus around Wonkette as well. I guess I go against the grain. 😛

Actually, now that I think about it, our new Governor General Julie Payette is entitled to her own Coat of Arms under the Canadian Heraldric Authority. Hmm, lemme look it up…

Whoa, now that’s some badass shit.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/what-gov-gen-julie-payette-s-new-coat-of-arms-means-1.4316413

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The music staff on the crest looks a tad silly, but the rest is just beautiful. I especially love that the helm is an astronaut helmet and the pair of Lynxes with the starred collars.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

My representative Keith Ellison tweeted a great answer to the “economic anxiety” Trump voter.

If you voted for Trump, know that his hate will not feed your kids, heat your home or help cover your medical bills. But his budget proposal is a real threat to take those things away from millions of families as he transfers wealth to the richest few.

Not many in Washington to be proud of, but he’s one of the few.

I’m watching the NBC coverage of the latest school shooting. The white male suspect was seen on camera with the police, so no mention of the word terrorism, of course.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Every time I think I can no longer be surprised at the right winger’s capacity for willful delusion, I read a tweet like this

https://twitter.com/ThatsBaloney2/status/963890030057058307

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

And so sorry to spam, but given that it’s Valentine’s day, I have to wonder if this was motivated by romantic rejection or if he was an incel type. Complete speculation on my part though.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
6 years ago

It’s still the 14th over here for a couple more hours, so come to think of it –

<3 to David, to his mammoth-hunting creation and to all of you mammotheers; I hope you're well and that those of us who are ill and/or stressed get better and stress-freed as soon as may be.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
6 years ago

re: school shooting (5th one in U.S. this year, 2 on 22January…)

the dumpster-fire-in-chief offered “thoughts and condolences”, so that’s it for action from washington

ETA:

oops, “prayers and condolences”… good xian that he is….

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

Fucking NRA and their fucking power trips preventing us from doing anything significant to keep kids from murdering each other.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

What can one say about a mass shooting which hasn’t been said a hundred times before? There’s a reason the Onion runs essentially the same article after every mass shooting. No doubt they’ll run it again this time, and once again it’ll be probably the best comment on the event in any US media. Which is a ridiculous state of affairs.

On a completely different topic: is the video below creepy, or not?

https://twitter.com/toodooda/status/963673296733646858

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

Re: Keith Ellison

Addressing the economic anxiety issue rather than sneering, or pretending it doesn’t exist? Fuck, I wanna move to MN just so I can vote for him.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 years ago

@Surplus to Requirements, regarding class bias in jury selection:
Quite possibly. That said, I don’t know exactly what criteria are used to make up the lists they send out, but given that most of the actual mailings for jury duty have to be made up locally based on caseload requirements, property tax rolls are one of the easier places to find names that would be guaranteed to be local. But even just requiring a fixed address adds a class bias on its own.

Toronto’s also a bit of an unusual case in that the main Federal courthouse in Toronto is basically the busiest courthouse in the country, due to the population of the area.

The two combined together would go a long way to explaining why I’ve been called up four times. (Yes, I own my house; it helps that I bought it some 20 years ago, not long after a previous local speculator boom crashed and dropped housing prices here for a while. I’m under no illusions about how much of that boiled down to luck in timing.)

@Katamount:
Yes, a lot of the science fiction fans and the like I hang out with were geeking out over the new Governor-General’s coat of arms back when it was first released.

@epitome of incomprehensibility, others:
I don’t know that all that many people believe that it was actually an accident, instead figuring it was an ‘accident’ in the old mob boss ‘wouldn’t want anything bad to happen’ sense.

But yeah, there is some deeply ingrained racism there. There’s a reason why the CBC web site started disabling comments on any articles to do with First Nations peoples, because the comments tended to get very bad very quickly. http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/community/editorsblog/2015/11/uncivil-dialogue-commenting-and-stories-about-indigenous-people.html

In some ways I was lucky there as well: one of the people I went to school with was a son of one of the hereditary chiefs, who was also a fairly famous woodcarver and associated with the Royal B.C. Museum. Knowing him helped inoculate me against a lot of the casual racism of what ‘those people’ were like.

I find it interesting to look back on my life and see what events led me to be the sort of person I am today. I get the impression that the problem with a lot of these people involves actively avoiding such introspection.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
6 years ago

Happy Valentines Day (or happy belated Valentines Day, depending what time zone you’re in!) everyone! I hope you have a great day! Today I’m just going to see the Black Panther and go out to lunch. I wanted to see it yesterday, but the earliest showing was at 6pm, I like going to the afternoon sessions.

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