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Merry Christmas, if you’re into that sort of thing!

Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.

And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.

— David, who is hanging in there

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624

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Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

“Darker, gayer, different”

Good slogan if you must write 50 shades erotic fanfic.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago

Anyone bored enough to want to first read a chunk of novel? Not sure if it’s worth continuing with or not.
Twitter thingy (which now works!) linked to my nick. Can get in touch that way.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@calmdown:

About Gotham, it seems it won’t be back until March 1st.

What? That can’t be right. The advertising industry will give the show a zero “Did Not Finish” mark on the exam they’re administering known as “February sweeps”, and since zero times anything is zero, the show then won’t make any money for episodes aired March through May!

Why would its producers be allergic to money? I thought they were typical American capitalists, motivated by nothing else.

In any event, Christmas break is supposed to end in early January. Everyone knows this. Except, apparently, some nitwit in a three-piece suit who (of course) thus managed to find employment in a television studio scheduling shows, since the unofficial rule of US capitalism these days seems to be that hard work and honest effort are punished with poverty, while incompetence is rewarded with cushy corner office jobs. πŸ™

Or … did something happen that delayed production, like a key actor getting injured or something?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Many network shows are on a break right now. Maybe because of the Olympics. If Gotham is on NBC than it’s definitely because of that. The X-Files and Riverdale are off for a couple of weeks too. I don’t think it’s a big deal. Sweeps time isn’t the big deal it used to be now that there are different platforms to watch shows and everyone isn’t watching at the original airtime anymore.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 years ago

Hi all

You may remember that thing where the Internet troll said he could beat any female MMA fighter? Well after much complications the fight actually happened.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/676337/MMA-troll-Tara-LaRosa-Kris-Zylinski-beat-women-fight-video-McDojoLife

*Spoilers*

He lost; twice

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

@Surplus

I can’t find any info about why Gotham was delayed until March! I thought it might be because of the Olympics but Fox doesn’t cover it. I’m really glad it’s not canceled though.

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
6 years ago

Request for assistance from the group mind.
Does anyone have a good recipe for corn soup made from fresh corn on the cob? I have received a quartet of corn and my husband would like to try it in soup. I also have vegetable broth, butter, cream and various herbs and spices. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@WWTH:

Sweeps time isn’t the big deal it used to be now that there are different platforms to watch shows and everyone isn’t watching at the original airtime anymore.

By the same argument, being at the same time as the Olympics wouldn’t be the big deal it used to be, so there shouldn’t be any effect due to the Olympics. Not that that could explain it anyway unless they Olympics have been going on since early January …

Though, the thing that’s troubling me most is that I think they’re trying to stealth-inflate the price for watching TV, by moving stuff to online-only platforms that you have to pay extra for, and separately at half a dozen different services.

Also has another consequence they might not even be aware of, blinded by class privilege as they undoubtedly are. One can establish accounts with local utilities without credit, e.g. by going in person to their office and subsequently paying by check or direct deposit. This includes cable and satellite TV. And of course airwave TV is free at the point of use.

But online-only pay platforms require a credit card. I’ve never seen an online merchant accept checks or debit, and of course if they did accept debit you wouldn’t dare use it for fear of hackers being able to clean out your account.

There really needs to be a way to pay for stuff online without having to do it on credit, and without exposing the full balance of your bank account to an unscrupulous fly-by-night merchant or hackers either. Some new banking service that, say, lets you charge up a card with small amounts of money, then use that card to pay online anywhere a credit card is accepted, without going into debt and without any way for anyone who compromises the card number to get at a single cent more than whatever you transferred to that card. It would have to be a lightweight process. It would have to be possible to change the card number for each transaction if you wanted to, and suck any unused balance on the old one back to your main bank account at that time, or else roll it over to the new card. It would probably have to be a virtual card, rather than an actual piece of plastic — just the numbers to use online. And importantly, it would have to be impossible for online merchants to distinguish card numbers from this source from “real” credit cards, so they could not discriminate.

Right now there are a few ways to approximate this, but they all have major problems.

1. Visa gift cards: can load with a fixed amount; no debt; exposure limited to the amount you loaded onto it. On the other hand, you have to physically travel to a store and buy a little plastic card for each one — it’s not lightweight. And I hear merchants can distinguish the numbers of these from those of “real” credit cards.

2. Creating a second bank account with its own debit card. This would need an online merchant that took debit to use, and is not lightweight as long as one has to physically present oneself to a bank teller to do things like create accounts and shift money between accounts. Perhaps shifting money between accounts can be done with online banking these days, but enabling online banking for your accounts carries its own hacking risks. And again you’d need an online merchant that took debit. And you’d incur a second set of monthly service charges from having that second account.

3. Cryptocurrency. But it’s not widely accepted, and converting real money into cryptocurrency is still an exercise in hoop jumping. There’s also no way to even try to claw it back if the merchant stiffs you. And cryptocurrencies are famously susceptible to exchange rate volatility.

4. Online services like PayPal might at least let you only give one company a credit card number that can directly be used to put you in hock up to your eyeballs. On the other hand, PayPal is evil, and is the only truly ubiquitous one. There have been numerous complaints about PayPal’s business practices, including that they try to get access to your bank accounts after a while, and other privacy-invasive things. They also charge a hefty commission on every transaction they mediate. (So do the credit card companies, but they charge them to the merchants, not the customers.)

Of course, there may be intentional behavior here to structure things to artificially force the use of credit cards — the banks don’t really profit from dinging you service charges, as those basically just cover their costs of operations. They profit when you go into debt, so they want you to take out mortgages or lines of credit and make big purchases, and failing that they want you to get a credit card and then sometimes overspend and/or miss a payment so a balance rolls over at the end of a month and they can charge interest on it.

It’s unlikely we can do much about it without first reducing the political clout of the banking industry. The opportunity to do that should come soon. The Second Great Depression is on its way, and as happened in the first one it should erode the holdings of the wealthy and the banks sufficiently severely as to loosen their grip on the politicians enough for reforms to be forced through — as happened with FDR’s New Deal and then the Great Society programs the last time.

calmdown
calmdown
6 years ago

I’ve used a debit card to pay for Hulu and lots of online purchases in the past…though maybe that isn’t a good idea? Now I’m paranoid πŸ™

Mistyful
Mistyful
6 years ago

@calmdown,

Maybe it isn’t, but I do it too. I usually use paypal for sites I’m not familiar with, with the (possibly mistaken) belief that that avoids some of the risk. I don’t recall ever being charged *more* for the services than what I’m paying for, at least, not if I’m using my bank account vs my card. Not awesome but it works and it’s convenient. Meh.

I have little enough money at any given time, and a lot of other things to concern myself with. I guess I should be more careful, but spoons need to be doled out carefully, and worrying about these things is just going to take away from more pressing matters.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Though, the thing that’s troubling me most is that I think they’re trying to stealth-inflate the price for watching TV, by moving stuff to online-only platforms that you have to pay extra for, and separately at half a dozen different services.

Ugh. Yeah. I doubt it’s working though?

CBS did a total bait and switch with Star Trek: Discovery by having the series premiere on CBS and then saying the rest of the series is on the All Access app that you have to pay for.

Instead of making me want to go and get the app, I just haven’t watched the series. I’ll watch it if it comes on Netflix like all the other Star Trek series are. In the run up to the premiere there was tons of chatter about it online. Since then, I never hear anyone talk about it. It’s like the suits saw that people want to be able watch online and took the wrong lesson from it. People pirate not just because shows weren’t available online right away. They do it because they can’t afford to spend hundreds a month for TV.

I have Netflix, Amazon Prime and HBO Now. I’m thinking I’m going to add Hulu soon now that I have a source of income* again. But that’s it. That’s all I’m willing to do. I have access to cable because I live with my dad and he’s not a big internet person. Otherwise I wouldn’t. I’m not going to get a pay app for every single network and no one else I know is likely to either. If the economy takes a hit, people will start trimming their streaming services to just the essentials and Netflix, Amazon and Hulu will always win out over individual networks.

What they should do is partner with those major streaming services to offer live or next day viewing of shows for an extra one or two dollars a month.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Oops. Meant to add info about my new income source. Since my grandmother’s oxygen drops whenever she walks around, she needs someone to help her get dressed, fix her food, take care of the pets and give her the various respiratory meds. So I’m going to be paid to take care her of her mostly on weekdays.

Z&T
Z&T
6 years ago

@ Surplus,

These credit ideas of yours are interesting. I just tried to sign up for PayPal yesterday and it wasn’t working right.

Oh and yes, it is the same lawyer writing addresses wrong and forgetting to check boxes. I am trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. I was able to download the acrobat program and then print the forms. The question missed was at the bottom and easy to over look. And the one preceding it, the answer basically renders the missed one moot. So maybe he didn’t answer it purposefully?

I should be able to fax this Monday. I am trying to mentally compose an email to him, I’m aiming for something stern, but not total asshole. I can go from 0 to asshole pretty quick and I try to keep a lid on that too.

I need to just get this all done and stop worrying about it all.

Now about your ideas up top here, about hard work being punished and incompetence being rewarded…..

I have been thinking about “bad luck” things again, I certainly hope I don’t come off as too much of a whiner. I do try not to be. I was thinking of “Frank Grimes and Homer Simpson.” Which fits with your thoughts here also. Why is everything so easy for Homer, while Frank Grimes works very hard and is continually punished?

I have tried to find info or theories on why this is, regarding “fate” so to say, and I haven’t seen too many. I was reading about this again yesterday, and I did see one that lines up with your thoughts, something like mediocrity being rewarded. I see very few ideas on why such things happen. Why should one person have such a hard life, and the harder they work, the worse things seem to get? While others who don’t seem to try at all seem to glide through life? It makes little sense.

Regarding any emotions involved, I think I came up with a pretty good idea, which is that I don’t think they really matter. Using The Simpsons as reference again, – Ned Flanders seems to have much bad luck too, and he does not complain. But yet it still happens.

And why isn’t he rewarded more for being religious, too?

Why is knowledge, in religion, seen as bad? Tree of knowledge? Is it just “capitalism”? Fear of power and wealth being usurped? Or is it something more. Because of course knowledgable underlings can increase one’s wealth.

Why is seeking knowledge considered wrong? And thinking of Ned Flanders again, why punish him? But he does seem to seek religious knowledge, which could be equally bad as seeking secular knowledge?

Regarding the idea of “why me?” The best answer I came up for this is – why not me? That could be simple probability or being singled out for some reason too.

I got two good horoscopes today, I got help clearing away snow, I am counting this as a good day so far πŸ™‚

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Surplus:

There really needs to be a way to pay for stuff online without having to do it on credit, and without exposing the full balance of your bank account to an unscrupulous fly-by-night merchant or hackers either.

A prepaid credit card. It’s a misnomer, because there’s no credit involved. Here in the UK, for example, there’s the Pockit card. They’re aimed mainly at students, people with poor credit ratings, and people without bank accounts, but anyone with an address can get one.. You charge it up, either using cash at participating stores, or (if you have a bank account) online, using your bank’s debit card. You can then use it anywhere that accepts credit cards, including online: functionally, from the merchant’s point of view, it is a credit card. But you can only spend the amount you’ve paid into the card. When you’ve used up the money you put on the card, charge it up again.

Fabe
Fabe
6 years ago

You may remember that thing where the Internet troll said he could beat any female MMA fighter? Well after much complications the fight actually happened.

first and only post so in the comments is “he must be extremely weak”. they’re already looking for excuses .

Sarity
6 years ago

@Fabe

The Youtube comments are even better. Everything from ‘he only held back because she was a woman’ to ‘it didn’t count as a real match without any blows being landed’, and even one declaring it a point proven because reasons.

Just sweet, sweet denial all around (and of course, plenty of ‘if that were me I would have totally beaten her flat’ bravado). About as predictable as you’d expect from these people.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lOtEzwWX9yg

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@Moggie: Isn’t that the same as a Visa gift card? I’d heard merchants can tell the difference, and some might discriminate. Because, apparently, they want their stuff to be paid for with real honest debt and not cash in disguise. πŸ˜›

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
6 years ago

Z&T-I’m sorry to hear about your recent troubles regarding getting that check sorted out. It sucks, especially on top of everything else. It’s good that you now know what’s going on, though. Not knowing is the worst! I am the sort of person who always worries and it stresses me out! You will get it sorted and it will be one less thing to worry about. πŸ˜€ Anyway, you are not a whiner. Sometimes we need to vent about things and that’s ok. That’s what’s so great about this patch of internet, we listen and help each other. πŸ˜€

Moggie-The Pockit cards sounds great! It would be particularly useful for people trying to escape domestic violence. One could easily stock up on money without the abusive partner knowing about it, or having access to it because it does not require a bank account. It can be hidden much more easily than cash, too. Being able to hide money is crucial, because victims of domestic violence are often financially isolated by their abusive partners. πŸ™

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
6 years ago

My partner used to use one of those prepaid credit cards when he was ultra-careful about online shopping. He’d top it up at the post office when needed.
I like my Visa card b/c it functions as a credit card for shopping purposes, but it’s only linked to my regular savings account, not a credit account.

Here’s a thing that made me more than a bit pissed off: Piers Morgan recently decided to bully a young Australian writer. Alison Evans won a People’s Choice Award in the recent Vict. Premier’s Lit. Awards. Not a very big deal outside of Oz, but pretty prestigious here, especially for a first novel (& the main characters are all trans and/or non-binary).
On Twitter, another writer (the wonderful Benjamin Law) referred to Evans as a woman, when in fact they are publicly non-binary. When alerted to this, Law apologised & corrected his tweet. All good.
Then this:

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(Evans’ article is here, but paywalled, hence the screenshot in case you can’t get access).

Morgan is such an asshole (yes, we already knew) that he picked up a Twitter exchange btw two Aust. writers who are relatively unknown, & broadcast it to his followers.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
6 years ago

New comment as my last one got a tad loooong.

@Shadowplay,

I actually have some free time before teaching starts again, so I could look if you want? I’ll DM you.

@Arctic Ape,

That’s perfect. You’re a gem.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago

Re: the MMA/idiot fight

Was there any doubt his mouth was writing cheques his ass couldn’t cash? Hell, I do train for work and wouldn’t think I could beat someone who takes it seriously – size or sex irrelevant! Still satisfying to watch though πŸ˜›

Prepaid credit cards:

Had one for years and it’s the only thing I use for online purchases, precisely because it doesn’t matter if it gets hacked or stolen – there is never much on there to lose and it’s not connected to the bank account.

@Mish

Thank you! πŸ™‚ I’ll drop you the link when you give me the word, it’s on my google drive.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago

A possibly concerning article in the Guardian: Racism is creeping back into mainstream science – we have to stop it

Said possibly concerning as I don’t have the knowledge to judge how big the risk of it mainstreaming actually is. People here swim in the academic paper sea every day and so do have the knowledge! πŸ˜›

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@Mish

My partner used to use one of those prepaid credit cards when he was ultra-careful about online shopping. He’d top it up at the post office when needed.

This place you live — Australia, I believe you call it — has some interesting things going on. Not all of them involve the koala or the duckbill platypus, it seems.

I’m jealous.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@WWTH
I’m so sorry to hear about your grandmother. I hope for a best-case-scenario type of outcome.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

A US entrepreneur named Kristina Roth is opening a women-only holiday resort on a small island in Finland. Finnish media mentions that the project has “received complaints from men”, although I’m not going to trawl Twitter for further details on this. The press site has links to several English language promotional stories:

https://supersheisland.com/press/

Roth also runs some women’s networking thing called SuperShe – the top of that press page has links to autoplay promo videos of the network and the island resort.

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