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Merry Christmas, if you’re into that sort of thing!

Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.

And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.

— David, who is hanging in there

https://twitter.com/Elverojaguar/status/945372037534699520

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624

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Shadowplay
2 years ago

Ah! Thank you. Venom it is.

Think you’re right on the purple boot. The green left thigh – I immediately thought Poison Ivy (I like Poison Ivy, so bias. 😛 ) or Aqua Man, but they’re both wrong universe.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

You left out Spider-Woman’s leotard. Purple boot — maybe Scarlet Witch?

Meanwhile, who else noticed on watching some of the recent Marvel films back to back that the Marvel universe has two major family lines of engineering experts with involvement in the arms industry, one good and one evil. The good family’s surname is Stark. The evil one’s surname is Trask. These are anagrams of one another.

You can see two generations of Starks in the single film Captain America: Civil War, and two generations of Trasks by watching X-Men: Days of Future Past and X2: X-Men United (in that order). And the elder Stark and the elder Trask are both assassinated, the one by the Winter Soldier and the other by Mystique … until X-Men: Days of Future Past revises the timeline, that is. Both families also have had TV appearances now, Howard Stark in Agent Carter while The Gifted has Trasks as major villains. The Trask-designed Sentinels also keep cameoing, usually in X-Men movies in Danger Room sessions.

With the Fox/Disney merger, how long do you think it will be before a Stark and a Trask meet on-screen? (Or at the very least until Iron Man fights a Sentinel or something.)

Shadowplay
2 years ago

An infuriating take on #MeToo, for those who’s blood pressure needs raising: #MeToo shuts out eroticism, director says

Times, so it’s a paywall article if you want to read it all.

WTF does sexual harrassment have to do with eroticism? Unless you are doing erotic completely fucking wrong.

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
2 years ago

@Shadowplay

Gamergate idiots are still about? 3 1/2 years later?

I’m not. These guys are classic grievance collectors, and so hard up for legitimate examples of grievance that they cling to the half-dozen marginal examples they can cling to. “Big Red.” “Trigglypuff.” “Matt Taylor’s Shirt.” “Manspreading!” I still find Twitter goons bring up freakin’ “manspreading” as if that was the biggest culture war battlefield out there!

And in the next breath, these are the same jokers that want to put the brakes on #MeToo for going “too far.” Just zero self-awareness.

Racism is creeping back into mainstream science – we have to stop it

I can see the problem and I think it has multiple knots that need untying. One is if these people come from tenured positions, that tenure and that academic body of work is their ticket to an editorial board position. Second is that the people proclaiming that “sunlight is the best disinfectant” won’t be the ones to feel the impact of the racism seized upon by these articles. Third is that these scientific articles are often misrepresented by media outlets that distort their findings, even if they do pass peer review.

Ask me the answer and I think it takes a combined approach. Science education needs to be improved so media clickbait doesn’t trick people. Academics really need to have a firm grasp on who these people are and be prepared to resist the influence of racists with an ulterior agenda and marginalize fringe people when necessary. The media needs to stop promoting crap like The Bell Curve which has no more academic validity than a Deepak Chopra book.

Despite tenure, guys like Philippe Rushton at Western languished in obscurity and rightly so.

But to take the point a bit further… I’m worried about science being abused by transphobes in a way that was certainly done in the past, but seems to be more pernicious on social media. I can’t help but be reminded of Magnus Hirschfeld, a name that should honestly be spoken of more if for no other reason than to remind the public that science has a keen humanitarian interest and biology is not walled off from the social aspect of gender the way TERFs want to pretend. Hirschfeld should also stand as a solemn example of what authoritarians can wreak upon academic institutions if their findings don’t conform to fascist dogma, for his Institut für Sexualwissenschaft stood as a bright light in Weimar Germany for the study of sexuality and gender expression. But even Hirschfeld could see the writing on the wall and fled the rising tide of Nazism, leaving much of his work to be lost in the book-burnings that followed.

It’s the same phenomenon that lead to eugenics and justified black slavery: a bunch of a-holes say “You’re not worth caring about and here’s some ‘science’ that justifies why we’re treating you as less than human.” No, it’s not science that says that; it’s you. Science illuminates the human tableau, which is why I found it enthralling enough to pursue after high school.

Remove the human element… well, you get Blade Runner 2049, which I finally got around to watching. The original Blade Runner is one of those films that I think is a masterpiece, but so bleak that I only watch it once every few years. 2049 was not quite up to the lofty heights of the original, but was just as visually engaging and atmospheric. Ironically enough, it was almost ten years to the day after I watched Armitage III on TV (which I remember because it was the first thing I watched when I moved to Lakefield) and was struck by the similarities in plot. But the concepts of reproductive capacity as a measure of personhood, the disposable underclass, the marginalization and shameless sexualization of women’s bodies for corporate profit, timeless topics that need to be explored.

Where I think 2049 fell down on was some aspects of pacing, and Hans Zimmer’s farty music score. Zimmer’s a solid composer who I consider at his best when doing high-tension instrumentals, but Vangelis’ score from the original film had the variety that such a moody, atmospheric film really needed.

I’ve also got a few questions about the statues sitting in the Nevada desert… mostly along the lines of “the hell????”

Malitia
Malitia
2 years ago

You left out Spider-Woman’s leotard.

It’s so me to leave out the most obvious. *facepalm*

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Katamount

Completely agree with your assessment on gamergate – I just figured that, gamergate coming mostly from the chans, they’d either get bored or fracture into opposing factions, like they normally do. They enjoy infighting far more than anything else, by the looks.

Bit saddened, really.

Regarding the statues in 2049, I’ve seen a couple theories. The one I can most agree with is discussed (fairly superficially) here. Link goes to a lot of spoilers, for those who have not yet seen the movie.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

The New York attorney general is filing a lawsuit against Harvey Weinstein

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/harvey-weinstein-scandal/new-york-ag-sues-harvey-weinstein-alleging-pervasive-sexual-harassment-n846946

This is a civil suit, not criminal, so he’s still not gonna be in jail where he belongs. But at least this could really hit him financially!

Shadowplay
2 years ago

In twitter news, Unilever (the biggest consumer goods company in the world) is threatening to pull all ads from both Twitter and Google if they don’t sort their shit out.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
2 years ago

History-ish article on Comixgate

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
2 years ago

@Shadowplay

Well if that’s coming from Villenueve’s mouth, then I guess that’s what it’s meant to be… it just strikes me as a bit odd for such statues to be that toweringly gigantic in a place that went out of its way to radiate glamour (no pun intended). Those statues were large enough to be seen from a plane. O.o

Granted, holographic Joi advertisements spring to life fully nude, 12 stories tall and beckoning to passing men, so clearly the world of 2049 lost all pretenses of modesty some time back.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Katamount

Aha! I see thy source of confusion 🙂

a place that went out of its way to radiate glamour

Replace glamour with power in that thought and the statues then fit in seamlessly.

*Not changing the typo – thy is a perfectly good word that is not used nearly enough. 😛

Malitia
Malitia
2 years ago

From the article Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie linked:

There are plenty of mediocre comic books about straight white men that these guys don’t even talk about.

They also like to wave around direct market (comic book store) sales data to “prove” that diverse titles aren’t good. Never mind that:

1) Given how the system works (non-returnable stuff ordered 3 months in advance on very slim info) the only thing these sales represent how much faith the stores have in the titles.
2) Titles featuring white men are canceled thanks to low sales regularly too. (From Black Knight to Foolkiller.)

JS
JS
2 years ago

(Barbara Hambly did a great job portraying a Big Bad with this attitude in Traveling with the Dead, which I happen to be re-reading right now.)

And up until now, I thought I’d read most of what B. Hambly wrote. Thank you! I’m guessing my local library forgot to put a note in the Sci-Fi section “Hambly also wrote historical fiction horror/mysteries, and we couldn’t figure out where to shelve them”

Sometimes I wish they’d just shelve the fiction by Author, and skip the whole “what genre is this?” issue.

Long series with multiple authors should clearly shelve under “V” for “Various”.

calmdown
calmdown
2 years ago

@Shadowplay

#MeToo shuts out eroticism

Seems to be a frequent criticism from the “MeToo has gone TOO FAR” crowd. IIRC that was a big part of the French petition against MeToo:
https://www.worldcrunch.com/opinion-analysis/full-translation-of-french-anti-metoo-manifesto-signed-by-catherine-deneuve

It’s also a great example of every sickening anti metoo argument.
-What about the mens careers!
-Limits sexual freedom
-Hurts “artistic expression”
-Makes male/female “courtship” less fun and less “Sexy”
etc. (rubbing on the subway is okay? WTF?!)
-Slippery Slope to puritanism

“Next we’ll have a smartphone app that adults who want to sleep together will have to use to check precisely which sex acts the other does or does not accept.”

Imagine the horror! (BTW saw an episode of Black Mirror where they literally had this app and the couple somehow managed to still have satisfying sex.)

Shadowplay
2 years ago

“Next we’ll have a smartphone app that adults who want to sleep together will have to use to check precisely which sex acts the other does or does not accept.”

Yer late on that one – I posted that exact app, complete with blockchain goodness, on this very thread (back in the teens I think, it were a few weeks back) 😛

The anti #MeToo arguments … aren’t. There is NOTHING that requires, or depends upon, or is improved by sexual harrassment. Not in science. Not in war. Not in art.
If their “artistic expression” is dependant on flopping their dick out and having a wank in front of someone – they can fuck off and flip burgers.

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
2 years ago

@calmdown

That is the best summary of the BS arguments against #MeToo that I’ve seen. And as I read them over, it strikes me that the element that unites all of them is the implicit assumption that women are sexual gatekeepers. Why else would this hashtag have a chilling effect on eroticism or courtship? Only if sexual contact is a goal for men (forgive the heteronormativity) that must be extracted from a less-then-keen woman would this ever be a problem.

Fuck, this is a trope that has been the cause of so many freakin’ cultural problems. The “Friend Zone.” “Scoring.” “The Game.” “Involuntary celibacy.” “She just regrets it.” All of it is predicated on women as sexual gatekeepers, providing access or denying it for their own malicious wiles.

I’ve written my fair share of sexy stories (I’ve actually been meaning to do a word count and I’m sure some of the unedited ones are novella length….) and there’s plenty of eroticism to be found between enthused lovers. Why rip a bodice when it’s being taken down inch by inch?

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@calmdown

What Katamount said:

That is the best summary of the BS arguments against #MeToo that I’ve seen.

Goes for me too (no pun intended. I don’t pun on serious shit). Forgot to say that.

calmdown
calmdown
2 years ago

@Shadowplay @Katamount

Thanks, I’ve just heard the complaints so many times now I’m much more familiar than I’d like to be with them! I agree that they definitely rely on women being the sexual gatekeepers. This makes it the woman’s responsibility to stop harassment/assault because men “can’t help it” and it’s this BS all-powerful biological drive. I remember in High School that we only talked about consent in relation to how the woman has to say “No” adamantly enough to convince the helpless male to stop. Like it would be her fault if he didn’t listen. I hope it’s better nowadays, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up, I went to school in a pretty conservative area.

Then we have these people saying that “pestering” is a normal part of courtship, which is obviously so wrong, but look at how many still believe it! I really don’t know how to talk to someone like that. I’m tired of having to explain consent to people who it sometimes seems are being willfully obtuse! Jordan Peterson (bleghh!) said some dumb stuff recently too about how men and women can’t work together because we “don’t know what the rules are anymore.” Why is this so hard for some people to get? btw Katherine Deneuve also defended Roman Polanski (no surprise there).

Oh, and I forgot one more talking point: be sure to compare #metoo to “witch hunts” at some point.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Makes male/female “courtship” less fun and less “Sexy”

To me, arguments like this are a major own goal.

The fact that so many men find exploitation and lack of enthusiastic consent fun, sexy, and erotic is exactly why we need #metoo and why it’s a good thing.

The glossing over of how the (mostly) female targets of these men don’t find sexual harassment fun, sexy, and erotic just makes the point that we do need #metoo.

It’s a subset of Lewis’ law. Any comments on #metoo illustrate why #metoo is necessary.

Also, as a certified meanie pants feminist, I could just not give a shit if some male directors get a sad boner at the prospect of having to be respectful of female subordinates. Cry more, assholes.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Jordan Peterson (bleghh!) said some dumb stuff recently too about how men and women can’t work together because we “don’t know what the rules are anymore.”

Maybe we should start turning this back around on them.

“I agree. If men can’t stop themselves from harassing women, they can’t work together. I guess this means men are unsuited for the workplace. At the very least, they’re unsuited to be in positions of power. But really, just to be on the safe side, men should probably stay home and cook dinner for their wives and clean the house.”

Z&T
Z&T
2 years ago

But Shadowplay,

If the guy has to fuck off and go flip burgers – he might burn his wienie!

It’s happened before you know, to Popeye even! Don’t you remember the old song…..

I’m Popeye the sailor man
I live in a frying pan
I turned up the heater and burnt off my wiener
I’m Popeye the sailor man!

Work places are….. (wait for it) …. places of work! You wanna hit on women, go to a club.

Or, a polite ask for something like a coffee or drink after work, same thing as if you were in church. You gonna go up and Heeyyy Baby women there? So as if you were in a religious place. I suppose it’s ok to ask someone if they’d like to go out, and if they say NO, take NO for an answer!

And do I need to get started on married men? Dude, you are married. Unhappy? Get a divorce. I also came up with the idea that this is technically “illegal”. They are in breach of a civil contract which includes “forsaking all others.” And at work yet.

One of my friends told me that what she would do to married men who would not take no for an answer: Go into their office, pick up the phone, call their wife and tell her to tell her husband to STOP hitting on women at the office.

Why didn’t I think of this? Wow. She said it worked great too, the guy would be sitting there with his mouth hanging open. And probably crapping his pants over the thought of going home.

And if you don’t believe these married creepers are widespread too, just go look at any site with personal ads. Probably half of them are married men. They say so. They often also say that they have no intention of “changing their situation”. Sure they don’t, they don’t want to lose money. Nor the wife that takes care of them like a mother would.

I’m glad I’m older and men mostly leave me alone. I took up another tip from another friend: Be a slob. Dress like a slob. Or a guy. No makeup, no hair done, put a hat on even. Do not make eye contact with men.

And they think the #metoo ruined their chances? No, acting like hyenas in heat ruined their chances. I as well as 3 or 4 women I can think of off the top of my head – have given up on men completely. Which is too bad for them too, because any one of us could make a nice companion for someone.

But why bother? I sometimes wish I had some help around the house, but why not just do it myself? Or a second income. But why not just work more?

And chances are, from the behavior I see recommended on their “manurespherian” (I love this! 🙂 ) sites, – they tell men not to do jack shit round the house, so all you’d be taking on is – unpaid work! Why not get a second job or start a business or learn investing with that time?

Speaking of jobs, I’m looking right now, I often look at all kinds of things, even out of my field, you never know what you may find. I read the freelance gigs too. And right now there’s one on Craigslist (Chgo) in the creative gigs looking for a “Party Girl”. These are men looking for a woman who wants to do a six man gang bang.

Seriously? Jeez guys, shut the porn off. Doesn’t appear that they’re getting any responses, since the ads been repeated several times. Oh, and they claim to be “wealthy”. Right. Can’t be too smart if they’re willing to risk an STD. Their answer to that would be: Oh, but we would demand a CLEAN woman! (Also has to be attractive and fit).
But how do you know that your friends are clean?

I would bet serious $ that this thought never crossed their minds.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

If the guy has to fuck off and go flip burgers – he might burn his wienie!

Hey, I can’t help it if my idea has a few extra benefits! 😛

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

Re the #MeToo discussion, upthread; Katamount posted:

Fuck, this is a trope that has been the cause of so many freakin’ cultural problems. The “Friend Zone.” “Scoring.” “The Game.” “Involuntary celibacy.” “She just regrets it.” All of it is predicated on women as sexual gatekeepers, providing access or denying it for their own malicious wiles

Yes, this. The notion of sex as something women gatekeep has always infuriated me. It’s wrong on so many levels, including the total erasure of women’s sexual desire. It’s one reason I detest “friendzone” so much (“she could just have sex with me if she chose to, why is she so mean?”).
Did anyone see Ian M Cheong’s “sex scepter” tweet the other day? Same stupid logic.

In unrelated news, I had a severe case of cat paralysis syndrome last night 😆

http://i68.tinypic.com/24voa5s.jpg

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

I heard somewhere recently that the only two white actors in Black Panther are Martin Freeman, who played Bilbo Baggins, and Andy Serkis, who played Gollum.

They’re the Tolkien white guys.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

Martin Freeman’s one of the biggest pieces of shit in Hollywood (I would love to hear what his black costars have to say about that whiny little white supremacist), but damnit, that pun was excellent. =P

Shadowplay
2 years ago

Encouraging news time:

Despite the guidance by Betsy DeVos, colleges are still treating campus sexual assault by the far more beefed up Obama era rules.

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Z&T:

I as well as 3 or 4 women I can think of off the top of my head – have given up on men completely.

If I remember Alice’s Restaurant, that puts you somewhere between an organisation and a movement. There ought to be an acronym.

Incidentally, I just googled for “seagull”, and top of google’s autocomplete list was “seagull recipe”, surprisingly. Clearly more and more people are going their own way!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
2 years ago

@Mish

I had a severe case of cat paralysis syndrome last night.

My boyfriend suffers from this just about every night, especially in the winter. The girl cat is on one side and I’m on the other. Both she and I need his body heat. (MRAs, feel free to call me and my girl cat heat thieves. We’ll just smile and continue with our plans to destroy the patriarchy.)

Sometimes the boy cat joins us.

It makes getting out of bed very tricky for my boyfriend.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

sfhc

what Martin Freeman done? I didn’t know he is white supremacist. I remember one interview I watched when he is rude, but i don’t really know very much.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

My boyfriend suffers from this just about every night

He has my sympathy. 🙂

Woke up this morning – partner’s back pressed against mine, one cat against my stomach, one behind my knees and one on the pillow, sort of wrapped around my head. It’s a lovely way to wake up – if you don’t need to pee. 😛

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

@JS

Yay, I have introduced somebody to Hambly’s Asher and Ysidro series!

Have you read her standalone Bride of the Rat God?

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
2 years ago

I guess being immobilised by the felines is what separates us cat-worshippers out. I’ve heard of people who just move the cat, but that can’t be right.

@Victorious Parasol,

I’ve seen a few people in my Discworld group talking about Barbara Hambly with great enthusiasm. I’m almost at the end of DW (*sobs uncontrollably*) so I need something fabulous to read. You’d recommend, obviously?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
2 years ago

@Mish

Moving the cat?!?!? Blasphemy and lies.

Oh, there’s a lot to choose from when it comes to Hambly. Bride of the Rat God is set in 1920s Hollywood, and does (among other things) a superb job of showing period-appropriate cultural appropriation while making it clear how shallow it was. Plus it made me like Pekes. I’m not a dog person, and I’d always thought of Pekes as animate dustmops, but Hambly made me like the Pekes in this book.

If you want Edwardian espionage/horror, start with Those Who Hunt the Night. Our hero, James Asher, is an Oxford don who thought he’d left his past in the Great Game behind. (Not really a spoiler; you learn this in the first few pages.) His wife Lydia is a great example of a strong female character who doesn’t come off as a paint-by-numbers SFC. There are 7 books in the series so far.

Her Darwath series was written in the 80s, but the writing holds up a lot better than others from that period. It’s one of the more intelligent treatments of the “person from our Earth goes into another universe” stories I’ve seen. I don’t know if I can say more than that without spoilers.

I haven’t yet read her Benjamin January series, but that’s because of the So Many Books/So Little Time problem. If you like historical mysteries, I’m told these are a great read.

Does that help?

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
2 years ago

@Valentin

“Multiculturalism hasn’t and doesn’t help, because rightly or wrongly it polarises people so much,” he continues.

“Racism is one thing – and I don’t agree with that in any form – but noticing that there are differences is normal and fine and to be encouraged.

“We’ve reached a state now where it’s, ‘You shouldn’t notice. Why are you noticing he’s got a bomb and has a beard and is Muslim and wants to kill your family?”

“There is no country in the world like this. If all of a sudden all the traffic wardens in Ghana were Welsh, they’d really notice and might not love it… We give ourselves a hard time in this country in a sort of mea culpa way. But if we were that racist, people wouldn’t come. Very simple.”

And as a bonus, a rape “Joke” that’s closer to a confession:

Interviewer: And the height difference doesn’t matter?
Freeman: Not at all. I’ve got a ladder. It’s fine. And I’ve got drugs. I could just make them — y’know. Slip them something in their goblet. Some will get offended by that now. Cause they’ll call it [air quotes, eye roll] “RAPE” or whatever. But, um, you know. For me, it’s a helping hand. Maybe I should stop talking.

I know that every celebrity’s said at least one thing that’s problematic at best to fucking gross at worst, but Freeman is basically James Woods without the acting ability.

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie
2 years ago

Next we’ll have a smartphone app that adults who want to sleep together will have to use to check precisely which sex acts the other does or does not accept.”

… hmmm….

(goes to I.T. department to query geeks about creating billion-dollar app….)

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
2 years ago

sfhc

I would say ‘thank you’ but seems maube not appropriate 😕 white supremacist and his joke about rape is…i don’t know what word to say. fuck him

I don’t know who is James woods – but then that explains what you mean 🤷 I also don’t understand why Martin Freeman is so popular actor. and also Benedict cumberbatch too. Sherlock is annoying. my brother loves it. but it annoys me so much – it seems only about how ‘amazing’ Sherlock is and that means it is okay for him to be rude and arrogant. there is no entertainment there.

anyway, I am very excited about black panther. when I get home I will see it immediately! and try to ignore Martin Freeman.

Shadowplay
2 years ago

@Valentin

Dig around on youtube for the Basil Rathbone Sherlocks. Those are superb (in a very old fashioned way). 🙂
James Woods – guy from Videodrome. Really right wing.

And thank you all for the panic! I read Martin Freeman as Morgan Freeman and got quite upset for a minute.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ shadowplay & valentine

The Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes adaptations are worth seeing. Brett really threw himself into the role. He did perhaps overdo the method acting a bit to the detriment of his own health, and he channeled his own bipolar condition into the part. In a way he *was* Holmes. Unfortunately that spilled over a bit into his private life and friends reported he had trouble separating himself from the character. But he is just so convincing on screen.

mrex
mrex
2 years ago

@Mish

“The notion of sex as something women gatekeep has always infuriated me. It’s wrong on so many levels, including the total erasure of women’s sexual desire. It’s one reason I detest “friendzone” so much (“she could just have sex with me if she chose to, why is she so mean?”).”

I guess there is that truism that the person who wants something less is the one that holds all the power. But then we’re back to why the fuck ARE these men trying to have sex with women who don’t really want it?

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
2 years ago

“Next we’ll have a smartphone app that adults who want to sleep together will have to use to check precisely which sex acts the other does or does not accept.”

In what world would such an app be a bad thing? I mean, if one person is into watersports, and the other is not, wouldn’t it be better for them both to find out *before* they go on two or three dates?

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
2 years ago

And today in “troubling news”, it seems that fascism is busily reclaiming its ancestral homeland:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/13/italys-new-fascism/

Based on what the article says, most of the politicians there seem to range from spineless to outright sympathetic, particularly since (like Germany) Italy has had anti-fascism laws since the end of World War II, but they seem to be going unenforced.

On the other hand, one person — surprise surprise, a woman — from one of the genuinely left parties there, Laura Boldrini, had the courage to say the truth about what had happened. In a just world she’d be the next Prime Minister there, but somehow I doubt that will happen. 🙁

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Weird (thumper of trumpanzees) Eddie:

(goes to I.T. department to query geeks about creating billion-dollar app….)

Oh, get a load of Mr Ideas Guy here! We’ll get right on that, after we’ve finished putting out these fires.

(This never happens, because there are always more fires, sometimes on top of the existing fires)

kupo
kupo
2 years ago

Well, now I hate Martin Freeman. And apparently I dress like a slob.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 years ago

@Moggie:
I’ve often described one of the big problems at my job as spending so much time putting out fires that I haven’t had time to install any fireproofing.

Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
2 years ago

@Alan Robertshaw

I think I’ve said it on other older posts, but Brett remains the definitive Holmes for me. He really nailed the character’s cheeky flair for the dramatic (like with serving the titular Naval Treaty on a dish), but didn’t wallow in the anti-social aspect of it that certain popular adaptations of the character did *coughHouseandSherlockcough*

Because although Holmes is so often thought of as the man of pure logic and deduction, the man did actually care about his clients. (*mild spoilers to follow*)

He risked prison time to break into Milverton’s house because he hated what Milverton was doing to people. And the fate of his client in the Dancing Men clearly left him distraught, so he’s not the unfeeling a-hole that certain modern interpretations seem to glom on to.

@calmdown

Jordan Peterson (bleghh!)

Peter Coffin’s latest video is probably the best take on Peterson I’ve seen to date:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbk_4x70OG4

As I mention in the comments of the video, the cult-like devotion to Peterson is really disturbing and reminiscent of the way Scientology uses bog-standard pop psychology to lure people in, but with a Tyler Durden twist. His schtick really doesn’t boil down to much more than “double down on conforming to gender stereotypes and you’ll succeed.” Boys, stand up straight, be tough and don’t complain. Girls, realize you’re biologically programmed to want kids at 30, so don’t bother with those manly STEM jobs. Go into nursing and raise kids like God nature intends. Men are programmed to be aggressive risk-takers so that’s why they’re all CEOs and don’t have time for your woman problems like changing diapers or midnight feedings (and if they do, it’s just because how gung-ho and manly they are).

It’s the same gender-essentialist claptrap any MRA will tell a feminist to explain away representation issues, but Peterson skillfully combines it with the detached contempt for activism and altruism and just panders to the “nobody matters but you” nihilism rife on the alt-right, peppering it with smart-sounding jargon about “postmodernism” to confound the normies, while leaving the rest of his followers to pick up the dog-whistles and internalize the buried puritan messaging.

I just wish that journalists (looking your way Channel 4) would be two steps ahead of this guy rather than two steps behind. Because the last thing impressionable young men need is more toxic notions about gender roles.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

@ katamount

certain popular adaptations of the character did *coughHouseandSherlockcough*

I could bang on for ages about Holmes, but I do roll my eyes a bit at portrayals of him as lacking in social skills. He might be a bit insular at times, but when he wants to be he’s thoroughly engaging. But it’s the same as when Watson’s depicted as stupid.

Brett really did capture Holmes’ taste for the dramatic though didn’t he?

Moggie
Moggie
2 years ago

Jenora Feuer:

I’ve often described one of the big problems at my job as spending so much time putting out fires that I haven’t had time to install any fireproofing.

I can relate to that. Also, I have resisted making a dad joke about your name.

Me, yesterday:

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
2 years ago

Quick! Somebody call 0118 999 881 999 119 725

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Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
Katamount (formerly Gussie Jives)
2 years ago

Oh and yay, Canada now has its very own Trayvon Martin case!

And of course, the standard "Y U NO LYK SELF-DURFENCE!" caterwauling is making the rounds on comment boards all over the Canadian media landscape… enough that even Maclean’s had to remind people that it is in fact illegal to use or even threaten to use deadly force to protect mere property.

And when the PM weighed in to express what many legal observers are pointing out about the peremptory challenges system in place in the Canadian judiciary and how it was abused in the Colten Boushie case. In fact, I saw that system up close when I was called for jury duty: if your name gets pulled out of the big tombola drum as a potential juror, either attorney can simply look at you and challenge you as a juror. In the case my panel was selected for, those called were given the opportunity to explain if they have obligations that would cause problems if they sat on the jury and the attorneys used their peremptory challenges to dismiss those people as well. But if it’s used to ensure a biased jury in a criminal trial… yeah, that system needs to change.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Moon_custafer,

There are a few potential issues. A person could be coerced to agreeing on the app to an act. A rapist could potentially stop someone from changing their answer to no. A rapist could use “they checked yes to this before” as a defense to the police/courts. If someone marks yes and changes their mind, they could feel like they aren’t allowed to back out and do it anyway.

I mean, consent is ongoing, so the idea of a sex contract or app is squicky on several levels. There’s no reason why someone can’t just talk to their partner about likes and dislikes. I guess I would feel pretty uncomfortable if a date wanted me to sign up for an app and agree to sex acts in advance. I’d figure he probably had some issues with consent if he has trouble talking about it or reading body language and figuring out by that if his partners were into something or not.

I think consent is pretty simple and easy and any efforts to complicate and over analyse it only plays into the hands of those who want to uphold rape culture.

Just my two cents. I’m not trying to stop people who would find it helpful, but I’m personally side eyeing the hell outta it.