Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.
And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.
— David, who is hanging in there
Merry Christmas, everyone! 🎄🎅 pic.twitter.com/YfyTsQ95de
— Maggie Serota (@maggieserota) December 25, 2017
At this time of year, take a few moments to remember who Christmas is truly about… pic.twitter.com/TQ9tSP5EED
— Larry the Cat (@Number10cat) December 24, 2017
I haven’t laughed this hard in a while. I needed this. pic.twitter.com/2aQFpugdis
— deray (@deray) December 7, 2017
Brian Eno, Paris, 1973 (with Christmas 2017 augmentation) pic.twitter.com/hRwMDTOUKv
— Brian Eno News (@dark_shark) December 25, 2017
“Fun” pic.twitter.com/tsAdsZeez8
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) December 24, 2017
#MerryChristmas 🎄🤶🏻 pic.twitter.com/IahMZhf5gc
— Melania Trump 45 Archived (@FLOTUS45) December 25, 2017
Same. pic.twitter.com/kcNPdrLy6R
— Adrenalin (@adrenalindenver) May 24, 2017
🎈🐾🐅🎈🐾🐅🎈🐾🐅🎈🐾🐅🎈🐾🐅
All of a sudden …
🐾🐾🐾🐾 pic.twitter.com/fza8NZioI0
— The Cult Cat (@Elverojaguar) December 25, 2017
Human: My cat has an easy life
Me: pic.twitter.com/e8kvlVhUdR— Curious Zelda (@CuriousZelda) December 20, 2017
https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624
@PeeVee
Surely, to spend more time with his hair
Also, is Chelsea Manning running for Senate? Cos it looks like she might:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/368906-chelsea-manning-files-for-senate-run-in-maryland
Cardin, the sitting Senator has some shaky ground on whistleblower protections. This oughta be interesting…
Axe, looks as if she is running…oh, boy. This is going to be interesting, indeed.
Mrex,
I’m appalled that when you came to this group for support during this difficult time for you and your daughter you were treated so badly. Frankly, seeing people leap to do the same prejudgement you’ve been called out for (by me too and without regret) made my head spin. It wasn’t helpful. It did your daughter no favors. I’m pissed. I haven’t and won’t share everything In going through. I can’t. I can’t take another ear beating from well meaning people who haven’t the foggiest what this is like.
To the people calling monitoring online and cellphone activity abuse,
You can teach your kids safety and to behave with decency all day long. That doesn’t mean they will practice what you’ve taught them. That’s why they can’t just move out, get a job and do whatever they want until a certain age.
They don’t swim alone. They can’t sign up for credit cards. They can’t work as many hours as adults. They can’t be truant. If they are, I’m the one the courts punish. Legally and culturally it’s on my head. When it’s on theirs, I’ll be happy to be able to focus on other things. It’s not like this is fun for me. It’s work. If I could shirk it, I would. Until then, I do my job as best I can.
Further news on the Mark Wahlberg pay thing – he’s donated the $1.5 million to Times Up.
Nice save, I guess.
OK, well who of you much more enlightened parents is going to take over for me?
Really, where do I send my poor abused children? I’ll pack their stuff right away.
You want to protect their delicate psyches from me? (btw, your argument is also that privacy is “for their own good” though you’ve shown little in the way of evidence of that aside from what you suppose they need.) Fine. Step up now.
I’m sure you’ll do a superior job.
Where do I send them?
They’re going to be so relieved to finally have decent parents. a good thing your all here to give them what they really need.
They’re 10, 11 and 14. All of age to be using technology. I’m sure they’ll each have private cell phones and unrestricted access to the internet at your house and nothing bad will come of it. Good for you!
I’ll just hold my breath until you claim them.
Fuck this.
And yes, if children have the same rights as adults then they have the right to sex with whomever they choose for whatever reason they choose, and you have no right to interfere.
If you say they can’t choose to have sex with adults, why is that? … and you can’t say because they aren’t capable of knowing what’s best for them because you’ve told me they are. It’s their body. They have a right to absolute privacy, just like any adult. So, I expect you’ll not stand in the way of any drug use either. They’re just small adults after all. I mean, how dare you even pry into what they do with their bodies? You might damage their psyches. You shouldn’t snoop.
You can’t have it both ways.
If your problem with parents is they demonize and abuse their kids for being LGBTQ etc, that is a separate issue. If your belief is kids have the same rights as adults, then I expect consistency.
lea
here my apology from before incase you didn’t seen it.
mish made some good peace and people generally agreed it is time to stop from this discussion. to continue this, we will only make more pain and suffering for each other and upset eachother more. I can see from your posts now you still very distressed about this and it is painful to read. I will not say anything i think now about what you written fresh on this argument, or what others now written fresh. only we cannot continue this. again and again to say same things and become toxic and miserable environment here. it is not healthy and nothing will be achieved – only more distress for everyone.
for parents and children this topic is too close to everyone’s hearts and we will reach no conclusion with this.
Yeah, fuck this is right.
Val,
I did and thank you.
@Lea
Thanks. Sorry that they inadvertently called you an abuser as well, whether they want to admit to themselves that they did so, or not.
I’ll give Sandra and that Randperson a tiny, microscopic bit of credit; AFAIK they’re queer. They know what it means to be outed. *I* know what it means to be outed. It really is a fucked up situation all around.
I’ll give Sandra a chance to come back and reply, but I don’t have high hopes. What Sandra said was *NOT* helpful to me or my daughter. I’ve talked about how I went through a bad time after she was born, how I spent every day terrified of hurting her, of how my own physical abuse haunted me through intrusive thoughts. Sandra should know better than to throw that back into my face.
And what the fuck was the point, anyway? Even IF Sandra was right, and IF I was being abusive, literally the only thing calling me an abuser over the internet would accomplish is letting me know that I need to hide this behavior in real life. It wouldn’t help my daughter, OR protect her.
The only real point of using that language that I can make sense of, was that they wanted to hurt me. So, congrats guys, I guess?
ETA:
@Valentin
“for parents and children this topic is too close to everyone’s hearts and we will reach no conclusion with this.”
Actually I think we all need to talk this out.
Ah, we’ve entered the “we eat our own” stage of long threads.
Oh man. This thread.
Sandra, I’m not sure why you felt the need to resurrect this discussion days after we had all moved. Not cool.
simply, no. it will not be talked out. only talked down as we all sink back down into dispare and distress. it is time to stop.
also wwth – with a due respect, lea commented again – if only to vent. unless you mean Sandra should not reply to this, she didn’t resurrect this exactly.
@PV
Yeah, let’s pretend that all the little opinions on parenting that people give to parents nonstop, in the store, in the street, don’t have any effects on us. Like they don’t chip away at our confindence in our decisions. Like people shouldn’t think, and consider how much information they have, before they say something.
As I said, I think we need to to talk about this subject. Imma go for a walk, and write slowly and calmly. It may not be posted for days.
@WWTH
I hadn’t moved on.
Oh, sorry. I guess that’s what I get for looking at five different tabs at once!
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@WWTH
You mean @Lea, correct?
Edit: ninja’d
@Lea
mrex,
Fight with someone else.
mrex you are being selfish. to continue this distressing discussion because you alone are not finished when many others wish to stop. it is not fair.
Well, if we need some East-West unity, I got to watch all of the US figure skating championships because of a Chinese site that streamed it and I got to watch all of the Canadian nationals because a Russian YouTuber put their stream up.
Sticking it to telecom companies is something that can unite people of all cultures.
WWTH,
I meant to tell you the other day that Dracarys is quite the beautiful cat. Simply splendid.
@Valentin
None of this has been fair.
I’ll give one thing, being angry at other people won’t help anything, and I am 100% done with whatever assholes want to call me abusive.
But we probably should have a conversation about thinking before you say shit to parents. And a conversation about #Elsagate, and of why I was so critical of parents who let their kids loose on youtube when tbey don’t consider them emotionally mature enough to deal with youtube’s content.
Streaming? Streaming is for people with fibre and nearly full disks, or people with fibre who never rewatch things. For everyone else BitTorrent is where it’s at. 🙂