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Merry Christmas, if you’re into that sort of thing!

Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.

And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.

— David, who is hanging in there

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624

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Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

That should be “Sam Harriss” above, not “Sam Harris’s”. Trying to reference problems in referencing or using scientific term and findings generally.

Diptych
Diptych
6 years ago

Sam Harrises?

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

JoeB:

Bad News today, it’s because they’ve made him a Ecuadorian national so the plan appears to be to get him to Ecuador.

Would he be safe in the US now, thanks to Trump? I was entertained by the thought of Ecuador trolling him by transferring him to their embassy in Washington DC. “Relax, Mr Assange, you’re perfectly safe. Just… stay away from any windows, ok?”

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Diptych:

Sam Harrises?

Sams Harrii?

Skiriki
Skiriki
6 years ago

Eeeeeeee it is only scant days ’till the kittens come! Aaaaaah!

(And again, thanks peeps! Making some slight recovery, still.)

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Diptych
https://the-orbit.net/greta/2014/09/29/why-both-of-sam-harriss-recent-comments-were-sexist-even-if-you-accept-some-degree-of-innate-gendered-behavior/
TL;DR: Skeptic/Athiest community flavored sexism with respect to use of knowledge by people who should know better.

It is an odd typo.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

From the WaPo, bolding mine

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

The comments left lawmakers taken aback, according to people familiar with their reactions.

How in the everloving fuck are people pretending to be surprised by the Cheeto’s racism? Seriously. We’ve been hearing it on a daily basis from him for two years now.

I’m just not sure what if anything it’s going to take to get people to grasp the concept that yes, Trump really is this racist.

Oh, yeah. Linky

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-shithole-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/11/bfc0725c-f711-11e7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html?utm_term=.f4ab769ec379

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago

Trump’s “shithole” comment will disgust all decent people. You know, the people who were already disgusted by him? It will probably play well with his base.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

And meanwhile, it doesn’t occur to Trump or the congresscritters that Norwegians are probably about as interested in moving to the US as it is right now as Americans are interested in moving to Haiti. They won’t want to give up their universal healthcare and decent public transit any more than Americans want to give up (semi-)reliable electricity and clean drinking water.

Moggie
Moggie
6 years ago
GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
GrumpyOldSocialJusticeMangina
6 years ago

Speaking of shitholes, the comment section on the WaPo “shithole” article is itself turning into it’s own shithole from the Breitfart contingent. The racist cockroaches* supporting Trump are so numerous that the comment software is very slow and close to going belly up. Anyone who needs to learn about the depth of racism in the US should take a look.

* Possibly an unjustified insult to cockroaches.

@Surplus: I made a post about the lack of eagerness of Norwegians to emigrate to the US at two other WaPo articles, but the one WWTH posted a link to is going too fast to be worthwhile posting on.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@Grumpy: Don’t worry, Stephen King tweeted about it:

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/951589567429332993

@Nebuchadnezzar:

I had to resort to TOR

Please consider using Cloudflare or another DDoS protection provider instead of cack-handedly blocking large swathes of users

Irony here: according to complaints I’ve run across in a few different places, Cloudflare … blocks TOR.

@David:

Outages wouldn’t selectively let through TOR users. And if Nebuchadnezzar tried a proxy, and then TOR, something about the error message must have made them suspect a block rather than an outage.

Most likely, the same hosting provider you say acts on their own initiative without you having any control enacted some kind of temporary block without consulting you, probably triggered by DoS activity. I’m surprised you don’t get more such incidents, actually, given the amount of butthurt this site evidently causes rightwingers.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
6 years ago

* Possibly an unjustified insult to cockroaches.

They crawl up from the sewers, spread shit everywhere and explode into hundreds more of the disgusting little bastards when you squash (ban) them… Sounds perfectly accurate to me.

Shadowplay
6 years ago

Aww. Trump’s not coming to the UK in February to open the new US Embassy after all.

@SFHC

Cockroaches have their place in life and are a useful part of the ecosystem. Racists – not so much.

occasional reader
occasional reader
6 years ago

Hello.

It seems that the Motör lost its last head…

> Cockroaches
Not kafkaïan but friendly cockroaches also exists (on paper). Cynic ones too (on internet).

Have a nice day.

Shadowplay
6 years ago

@Brony

You said nothing that concerns me, a side effect of my life is that I’m very hard to offend (but tend to be sensitive to offense in others). Your instincts are correct, and it’s more accurate to say that I’ve buried myself in mechanistic territory for most of the last decade. I’ve seen enough Sam Harris’s to take criticism of my ideas seriously though, I’d be happy to respond to any concerns you have. I’m comfortable being clinical about myself, my anxieties are usually about extending social contact.

Good. Still prefer to be careful, as talking about someone’s internals can be sensitive in unexpected spots, even when they ask. 🙂

There are some significant differences between what you are needing to do and what I needed (and still need, it’s an ongoing process) to do, but there are enough similarities that I’m comfortable discussing it.

It’s not really a criticism as such, more an awareness of the weakenesses of a particular tool. The mechanistic approach is a very thin reed when it comes to behaviour. No, I’m not talking about souls or anything like that, but the basic flaw in the approach:

It’s not reproducible, because it’s pretty much impossible to factor all the inputs that make up an output since you have no control over the pathways the stimuli take to reach the response segment. Thought isn’t a reflex arc. 😛

90% of the time you’ll get hungry if you smell bread baking. The other 10% can be anything from depressed to irritated to reminded that your keys are in your other coat. Same stimulus – multiple possible responses, with one (call it the base response) being likely and the others being completely unpredictable but equally valid.

Doesn’t mean the mechanistic approach is invalid – it is a useful tool, and you have had success with it, right? Just adjust your margins of error, and don’t stress over odd results to a given social stimulus. 🙂

By stress, I do mean don’t assign them a higher importance than they actually have – if you smile at 10 people and 9 smile back ond 1 bites your head off, it’s the 9 that’s the important detail. Sew your head back on and remember to not smile at that one in future unless they smile first.

Shadowplay
6 years ago

@occasional reader

Is there a rule for that?

One similar to rule 34, but that states “If it exists, there’s a manga of it.” 😛

Neat concept – Gokicha looks like something I’d watch, voice acting permitting (I’m sound sensitive – some voice pitches are uncomfortable for any length of time.)

Shadowplay
6 years ago

Further news on Mark Wahlberg getting paid $1.5 million for reshooting All the Money in the World while Michelle Williams scored a massive $800 – it wasn’t down to sexism.

Wahlberg had co-star approval in his contract and basically held up the studio by refusing to approve the change in co-star (from Spacey) unless he was paid for it.

Not sure if thats better or worse.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

after donald trump makes his shithole comment now I seen this on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/tannenbaumr/status/951630072125050880

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@shadowplay

Wahlberg had co-star approval in his contract and basically held up the studio by refusing to approve the change in co-star (from Spacey) unless he was paid for it.

I see that Wahlberg isn’t worried about being labeled difficult — a label that the women in Hollywood seem to be stuck with more than the men. Wahlberg is probably seen as a tough negotiator with appropriately high self-esteem.

In August, Forbes named Wahlberg the highest-paid actor of the year, calculating his pretax and prefee earnings at $68 million.

Williams previously told USA TODAY that when Scott’s team called to request her time for the reshoot, “I said I’d be wherever they needed me, whenever they needed me. And they could have my salary, they could have my holiday, whatever they wanted. Because I appreciated so much that they were making this massive effort.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2018/01/11/exclusive-mark-wahlberg-refused-approve-christopher-plummer-unless-he-paid/1026347001/

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Alan, on Julian Assange’s travel plans:

They’ll literally have to stick him in a diplomatic bag!

(Unfortunately they don’t have to be actual ‘bags’)

Maybe he’ll just wear a diplomatic envelope on his penis?

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Valentin:

I suggest if you want to learn about Russian opinions – Twitter is really good place to go. also for Ukraine too. there is plenty of English language Twitter accounts which share information and options about Ukraine and Russia.

Thanks for suggestion!

Speaking of immigration to US, last year my browser caught a long-running and highly scammy-looking ad campaign that was apparently advertising immigration opportunities to the US – possibly someone with deep pockets wanted to phish my personal info. I guess many people across the world are desperate to move to a rich country, or (less often) the US specifically.

Many of those ads specifically mentioned great immigration opportunities for “Europeans”. Now, this was obviously just fake localization based on my IP address (Hey, I’m a European!). However, in the context of Trump’s recent election, it did sound hilariously like “America wants white people!”

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

short article about russophobia and trump. I don’t 100% agree with this guy but he is right sometimes.

https://nobsrussia.com/2018/01/11/now-thats-what-i-call-russophobia-vol-ii/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Of course it’s not the story itself that is real Russophobia, but rather the reactions of some of the “woke liberals” who called Trump a bigot while clearly possessing the very same xenophobic nativist attitudes as his supporters. And just in case any of my Ukrainian readers think this doesn’t affect you- forget it. These are exactly the kind of people who say things like “Ukraine? Isn’t that like, a state of Russia or something?” All Slavs are “Russian” to these enlightened individuals, so you’re just as screwed whether your name is Oleg or Oleh.

Shadowplay
6 years ago

@Kat

Wahlberg is probably seen as a tough negotiator with appropriately high self-esteem.

I put that in my Hollywood/English translator and got “Wahlberg is a greedily entitled talentless bastard.” 😛

@Valentin

You said it yesterday, got proof in billboard size today. 🙂

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