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Merry Christmas, if you’re into that sort of thing!

Hope you all are having a lovely day today, whatever this day means to you (or doesn’t). Consider this an open thread, to discuss whatever, from presents to politics to cats to whatever holiday stress you might be feeling.

And here’s some stuff I found on the Twitter.

— David, who is hanging in there

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/945193410662682624

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Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
Croquembouche, extrenely mamal omen
6 years ago

Where the fuck did this even come from???
Mish, sorry you are copping this shit.
mrex, I hope your daughter does OK.
RandFo, congratulations, I guess.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 years ago

@WWTH: Are “The Willows” and “The Wendigo” exceptions to the “sometimes too Christian” thing, or instances?

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago

@Sandra

I could have chosen a better turn of phrase, and will do so in the future.

That – as well as the rest of your reply – is one of the reasons I like you as well as respect you immensely. You are a class act, no question at all about that.

ETA – also, good to “see” you! 🙂 Your performance went well, I hope!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@Z&T

Maybe some spirits were looking out for me ?
I am glad for this good luck too, I need every bit I can get right now.

Maybe your mom is looking down on you from among the stars.
✨??✨

So here you have people looking to harass. They say so. Look at the CL in your area, or in a nearby large metro area (more and varied ads.)

FWIW, I’ve been combing Craigslist want ads on the regular lately and have not seen this. I’m not saying I’ve never seen this — I have — but it’s rare in the San Francisco Bay Area.

When I have seen it, I’ve flagged it. I’m not sure if flagging is an option now.

Also FWIW, the most recent time I was sexually harassed, it was at a client’s. I was at first flummoxed. But by the next day I had made up my mind. A therapist had once told me that I’d feel less resentment (about insults and slights in general) if I spoke up. So I did. I went straight to my contact and asked to speak to her privately. Once I told her what had happened, she said that this guy was a repeat offender and that she would have the big boss speak to him. I didn’t have any trouble after that.

I do recognize that this is not always possible. But it worked out well for me that time. Plus I was (inordinately!) proud of myself.

Z&T
Z&T
6 years ago

@ Kupo,

I hope you won’t be discouraged! I’m not all that enthusiastic myself. On life in general. But since I’ve had the good, the bad, and the crappy, – that does mean that there are good places out there. And good people too 🙂

Awful lot of shit and shit people out there tho …..

Try to sort that out. Or, you have to develop an eye for who and what is shit and what isn’t.

The truly scary people, or situations, are the ones who don’t say what their true agenda is.

But cracks always appear and you can spot signs. From harassers to biz’s going bankrupt.

Just keep your eyes open.

That’s why all this stuff is such a pain in the ass too,
you have to slog through and awful lot of shit.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@mish

I seriously, seriously do not appreciate the hostile comments above directed at mrex. Some of us have never thought that having a child gave us absolute power over them. Some of us try very fucking hard, day in and day out, to look after our kids (don’t be a neglectful parent) without encroaching on their boundaries (don’t be an overbearing parent).
You could maybe engage without calling people toxic and disgusting, and telling them to fuck off?

As a person who endured a lot as a child, I appreciate your comments about raising your child.

You’re brave to even become a parent, and from remarks you’ve made I gather that you’re having fun doing it — the best possible outcome!

IMO, the reason some people are hostile to mrex is because she’s made some comments that lead them to think she’s a troll. Or maybe a part-time troll.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

sorry if this start again the arguement, but I want to say about this ‘you can’t comment on parents if you not already parent’ arguement. this, simply, is bullshit.

[little trigger warning for some content]

this is like what Terfs say when they say trans women can’t be involved with women’s ‘spaces’ because physically they can’t do some same things which women lucky enough to have correct body from birth are able. it is just bullshit! and uncomfortable argument to make and I angry every time I seen it because I deny one thing about humans which is so so important: empathy and sympathy.

I don’t need to have children to know what things my parents done which hurts me and what things I will not do for my children if I have them.

good parents should be like foundations for their child. good parents are one solid thing which their child relies when everything else feels like a chaos.

and normal parents at least try to be like this. and when they make mistakes they can look on those mistakes and accept. my parents never purposely hurt me but they make some mistakes which caused hurt. and they know this one and I know too. and I know when I become father I also will make mistakes

but at least I will try to be this foundation for my child. try my best so they know they can trust me.

they say most new parents afraid firstly – well of course! there no training for this. you don’t become expert because of simply human creation. and it is okay! what is not olay is to tell people you know best just because of your flesh and your blood.

my girlfriends parents who are her flesh and blood and if this argument is true maube she will be dead now. but thank god! because someone else look on her situation, government official or family member without children even, and say this is not good parents for this child. she needs good people.

and who adopt her? but couple who never create any their own flesh and blood before. but they raised her better than those who made her and every day I am glad for this.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@valentin
I’m glad for both you and your girlfriend that she did not die and instead got new parents who loved her and met her needs.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

@Kat

? well actually these parents make some mistskes too but life is better for her there. well more than mistakes actually but it is not my place to write here her ditailed story. but they listen to older brother of my girlfriend when he said them ‘enough is enough’ and they try very hard after this to fix it, even if it is not possible to fix all things.

@wwth
‘There are gods here, if they are anywhere else in the world.’

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@Valentin
I hear you. I’m glad they made the effort. Some people deny everything.

All the best to you and her.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

yes…some people deny what they done is bad?

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

Glad to have come here in good faith and bared my soul, as always…

@Valentin

“I want to say about this ‘you can’t comment on parents if you not already parent’ arguement. this, simply, is bullshit.”

Hmmmmm, I agree that this is bullshit. Good thing literally no-one made that argument in this thread. :p

@The concerned

Yes, I used the word parent. That is the term for people that perform “parenting”, which is the subject that we are discussing. And what I said is that if RandFro believes that if they are going to parent her daughter this way, more power to them, but I’m not comfortable doing the same.

Do I think that you learn a lot about parenting from being a parent? Yes, but I never said that only parents can comment on parenting, only that only parents can actually perform parenting.

@Tash

“I know of at least six people who are made uncomfortable by mrex’s mere presence in a comment space, and several who refuse to get involved in this commentariat because of her in specific,”

This isn’t a safe space, or the feminist hive mind of their apparent dreams. David’s free to tell me to fuck off. I avoid the Discord unless Dali personally says that they’re* happy with me being there. I’m happy to stay in my lane, and only talk to people that talk to me.

@Sandra

“She’s a teenager, as mrex stated on this page.”

I said she’s a young teenager. You should be thinking 13, not 19.

“Mrex outing her daughter to herself.”

I’m not happy about that. However, she was the one that chose to share her news in an insecure channel. It’s not just me, the bad guy, reading all her texts; the kids in her school are constantly screencapping text conversations and showing them to everyone else. (They’re young and stupid.) I’ve repeatedly warned her that she should not be sharing private information over text.

“IE, the kid knows Mrex snoops and often without cause.”

Without cause? Now I know you didn’t bother to read what I’ve said. At the start of this thread, in my reply to Shadow, I complained that not only was there rampant bulling/cyberbulling going on, but that some of my daughter’s friends have been targeted by fucking pedophiles. Fuck off with this shit, Sandra.

But I get it, you are very concerned™ about my daughter’s privacy. You should be happy to know that she’s free to talk on the phone (vocally) in privacy, she’s free to walk to the store and hang out with her friends without adults around, she’s free to write in a diary privately, and so on. It’s only her computer usage that I monitor so closely, and I do it with her full knowledge, and I have a very good reason to do so.

“There is absolutely no part of this invasion and denial of privacy that is not abusive or any reasonable person wouldn’t construe as abusive.”

LololololololololololololololololololololololololololoLAWL.

I’m not the only parent that monitors their children’s computer use, most of the parents in my daughter’s grade do so- on fucking professional advice. (Remember-rampant bullying). I’m not the outlier here, you are.

I’m a survivor of childhood verbal and physical abuse myself, (and sexual, but that’s another story), so as a survivor of actual abuse, I have to say; I really appreciate you turning normal parental quandaries that we can all disagree on into emotional abuse. Keep up the good work.

@Mish, Schild, Shadow, etc. I’m sorry, but I’m going to go cool off before I respond. Don’t want to end up accudentally dumping on you guys.

*I’m using the pronoun “they” to be safe. I’m not 140% certain that Dali’s pronouns are “she/her”.

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

*Oh, and before it somehow gets turned around on me; I’m not suggesting that Sandra wasn’t the victim of actual abuse, I’m saying that I’m not committing actual abuse against my own daughter.

Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
Valentin - Emigrantski Ragamuffin
6 years ago

mrex

maybe then my English is not so good, because it seem to me you try to dismiss what RandFo try to say because they didn’t mention if they are a parent or not.

mrex
mrex
6 years ago

@Valentin

I mentioned it, then said “but whatever”, which is a soft dismissal of the idea. Then I said that if they believe that they will parent this way, then more power to them. I can go back and quote myself. :p

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

Hope all Mammotheers on U.S. east coast are warm n dry, or as close as possible. All others, too.

re: parenting…. Closest I could offer to “advice” is to say what worked for us and what didn’t… and I won’t offer that, as there’s no guarantee it would work for anyone else. We spent about 8 years (age 13-21) in what seemed to be a family on fire, with the sheriff, the bail bond agent, and the lawyer on speed-dial. Got past it, and I’m grateful to have had my partner, who seemed to be way better than me at “detach with love” parenting.

Went and saw “The Last Jedi” last night (no spoilers). I found myself smiling often at scenes and plot arcs that I knew must have pissed off the alt-right/igno-right/mra/mgtow bunch 🙂 🙂

Kevin
Kevin
6 years ago

I’m with mrex on parenting here. If I’d been a bit more supervisory of my then teenage son’s FB use, I might have avoided a pants – wettingly alarming visit from a copper and a social worker due to inappropriate contact from the drama teacher at his former high school.

Moon_custafer
Moon_custafer
6 years ago

So here you have people looking to harass. They say so. Look at the CL in your area, or in a nearby large metro area (more and varied ads.)

The truly scary people, or situations, are the ones who don’t say what their true agenda is.

Yeah, I’m sort of torn between finding the ads creepy, and OTOH thinking that if someone admits up front what the job entails, and people can choose to either apply, or ignore the ad, then it’s better than someone hiring an employee to just do housekeeping and then hitting on them. Indeed I’m wondering if this is actually some kind of legal workaround for sex workers and their clients to find one another without getting arrested for soliciting.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago

The Wolff book update:

Trump threatens to sue the publisher of this Fire and Fury book.

Publisher responds by moving the release date up 4 days (due to demand)

“I’m from New York” is used as an excuse for a source calling Trump an idiot.

Are we sure Trump isn’t getting a cut from the book sales? He’s going all out to push it.

Hu's On First
Hu's On First
6 years ago

Return of Kings sure has changed. The site is now advocating “gendo-nationalism”, where men would set up their own all-male nation. In other words, they’re promoting MGTOW, even though Roosh has disparaged MGTOW in the past by calling them losers, etc.

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=135729

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

@WWTH: Are “The Willows” and “The Wendigo” exceptions to the “sometimes too Christian” thing, or instances?

Exceptions. The story I’m thinking of that gets the side eye from me is called Ancient Sorceries. It’s about witches that shape shift into cats. Even though it’s otherwise well written, it comes off to me like it was inspired by the Malleus Maleficarum.

Tovius
Tovius
6 years ago

In other news, FBI accuses white supremacist of terror attack on Amtrak train in rural Nebraska Thankfully, he was caught before anyone was killed or injured.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 years ago

Storm in Europe and Africa, too… from BBC

And some “poetry”
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turned over trains…
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and turned over trucks…
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blown apart houses…
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and waves like “oh, ****!!!”

E.T.A. if I was the folks in the last foto, I’d be somewhere ELSE

… nah, nothing is happening to the climate/biosphere, we’ve ALWAYS had 3 or 4 “storm-of-the-century” storms every year (/s)

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
6 years ago
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Yeah, that’s been known for awhile. HBO just finally confirmed it. Part of it is that with it being winter, they want to film in the actual winter. Including in Iceland. That’ll look better than all CGI winter landscapes. There’s no way they can do all the post production and have it ready to go within a few months when filming has barely just begun.

The other part of it is that the final episodes are going to have major battles. Possibly in all episodes. Everything is going to be blockbuster movie quality. You can’t crank that out in the time a normal TV season takes.

It’s going to be a tough wait. Especially since GRRM is taking his sweet time with the books so we don’t know what the ending will be. Hopefully it’ll be worth the wait though. And there’s plenty of time for people who still haven’t watched it to catch up in time for the finale.

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