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Doug Jones Victory Dog Dance Party! Open Thread for laughing at Roy Moore

What a huge fucking relief. Thank you, black voters of Alabama, for sending Roy Moore packing.

Screw you, Roy Moore, but not that poor horse you rode in on.

Why would you ride to the polls on a horse if you CAN’T FUCKING RIDE A HORSE PROPERLY TO SAVE YOUR LIFE YOU FAKE COWBOY ASSHOLE PREDATOR?

Here are some more Tweets and an open thread. CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES COME ON.

https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/940787884285718528

https://twitter.com/notwokieleaks/status/940797646846988295

One more dancing dog because why not?

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Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Dimmy

Everyone seems to think that protests, by themselves, constitute effective activism. They don’t. They have to be combined with voter registration; with boycotts; with strikes; with campaigns for political office. Measures that will actually spook the people with money and power.

Of course protests by themselves might not be effective. Is anyone here — or elsewhere, for that matter — arguing otherwise?

Protests that accomplish this — like the Civil Rights marches in the US, and Gandhi’s salt march in India — can succeed. Those that don’t — like the marches against the War on Terror, and the Vietnam War, and Brexit, and the Occupy X movements — will always fail. It’s as simple as that.

What? Is the USA still fighting in Vietnam?

In point of fact, those opposing the Vietnam war protested in the streets, wrote letters, and even ran for the highest office in the land. You’ve heard of presidential candidate Eugene McCarthy, right?

We’re talking about THE PRIMAL FORCES OF NATURRRRRRRE (to borrow from Network ) so why on Earth would you think a few thousand “peasants” roaming the streets would turn those forces aside?

No primal forces of nature involved. It’s simply the structure of our political system.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Hambeast

Glad to hear things are going well with the Beasts & the Fambeast!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

The Guerrilla Girls have been protesting sexism and racism for decades — and it’s paying off.

In Florence, they’re bringing the works of women artists out of the basement

When it comes to art, the term “Old Master” is with us for a reason: For centuries it’s been the male artists who have attracted the interest of art historians. Great collectors and museums have paid scant attention to the existence of talented women artists from periods such as the Italian Renaissance.

But the landscape is changing, and nowhere more noticeably than in Florence, the city known as the “cradle of the Renaissance.” This past summer one of its most famous museums, the Uffizi, kicked off a series of exhibitions dedicated to the work of women artists from the past.

Eike Schmidt, who became the Uffizi’s director in 2015 after a stint at the Minneapolis Institute of Art, says he drew inspiration from the Guerilla Girls, a group of feminist art activists, who told him that many museums have the works of women artists, but they’re kept in storage.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/in-florence-theyre-bringing-the-works-of-women-artists-out-of-the-basement/

The Guerrilla Girls are feminist activist artists. Over 55 people have been members over the years, some for weeks, some for decades. Our anonymity keeps the focus on the issues, and away from who we might be. We wear gorilla masks in public and use facts, humor and outrageous visuals to expose gender and ethnic bias as well as corruption in politics, art, film, and pop culture. We undermine the idea of a mainstream narrative by revealing the understory, the subtext, the overlooked, and the downright unfair. We believe in an intersectional feminism that fights discrimination and supports human rights for all people and all genders. We have done over 100 street projects, posters and stickers all over the world, including New York, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Mexico City, Istanbul, London, Bilbao, Rotterdam, and Shanghai, to name just a few. We also do projects and exhibitions at museums, attacking them for their bad behavior and discriminatory practices right on their own walls, including our 2015 stealth projection about income inequality and the super rich hijacking art on the façade of the Whitney Museum in New York. Our retrospectives in Bilbao and Madrid, Guerrilla Girls 1985-2015, and our US traveling exhibition exhibition, Guerrilla Girls: Not Ready To Make Nice, have attracted attracted thousands. We could be anyone. We are everywhere. What’s next? More creative complaining!!* New projects in London, Paris, Cologne, and more!

*I now see that my complaints lack creativity. Must fix.

https://www.guerrillagirls.com/our-story/

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Meghan Markle Greeted at Buckingham Palace By Princess Wearing Blatantly Racist Jewelry

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On Wednesday, Princess Michael (wife of the Queen’s cousin) thought it suitable to wear a blaring racist statement piece to what was presumed to be Meghan Markle’s introduction to the extended royal family at the Queen’s annual Christmas luncheon. Recognizing the insult, perhaps when Lainey Gossip picked it up, the princess is, ehm, distressed.

The selected brooch depicts a “blackamoor,” a golliwog-like slave character popularized during the 1800s and turned into jewelry for white aristocracy.

https://jezebel.com/meghan-markle-greeted-at-buckingham-palace-by-a-princes-1821538488

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

@Kat

Some good stories today, thank you!

Regarding Princess Pushy – she’s been out of the news too long by her lights, and not nearly long enough by mine 😛 . Sort of stunt she’d pull on purpose, knowing full well what would happen.

Ms. Markle politely ignoring it is probably the most deadly insult she can reply with. I do like this lass, a lot. 😀

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Kevin

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Re other stuff: I don’t think Dimmy’s a troll, necessarily, but I do know that people (myself included) don’t appreciate being addressed as if we’re in Politics 101, kindergarten level.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

Speaking of protests and placards, just now on Twitter there was an update from the asylum-seekers on Manus Island.

I hope this link works:

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Not trying to make a point or anything here; just want to keep these guys visible. We could all use some of their dignity and stamina.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I also think the question of whether or not protests are effective has some nuance to it. Effective as what? They don’t tend to directly change specific policies. They do affect the political climate. For example, I think the mass outing of creeps and abusers in media and politics and the consequences that have followed might very well have not happened if it weren’t for the mass woman led protests following Trump’s election. There was a sense that women weren’t putting up with this shit anymore. It created a climate in which the Harvey Weinstein expose could gain traction and survivors of harassment or abuse by him and other powerful men felt they had the support to go public.

Don’t know if I’m making sense or not. I just returned from a holiday dinner and am stuffed full of champagne and red wine in addition to the food.

I guess I’m just trying to point out that people are social animals and as much as we all love to think we’re individuals and come to our own conclusions, we are all influenced by the crowd. Demonstrations, if they’re large and frequent and cover a wide geographic range tell people, particularly fence sitting “moderate” types that the social justice position is the correct one to take. It can take some time to start impacting things like elections and corporate media coverage as people in the upper echelons of politics and media are in touch with those who are interest in maintaining the status quo, not the average person, but these things trickle up to them eventually.

And I should probably stop rambling now.

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kupo
kupo
3 years ago

Don’t know if I’m making sense or not.

You’re making perfect sense. I agree; without 5 million people worldwide participating in the women’s march, I don’t think people would feel supported enough to step forward and speak out in the way they have been.

abars01
abars01
3 years ago

…so, a conservative pulled the: “Oh, so anybody who disagrees with you is a ‘Nazi’, then?” canard on me for the first time today.

No, dude, I don’t think that anybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi. I do, however, think that anybody who thinks that non-whites are inherently evil and stupid, and are being imported to America and Europe en masse by Da Joos as part of a plot to destroy Western Civilization, is a Nazi. The fact that the above describes the beliefs of most Anglosphere conservatives these days, including the one levying the accusation at me, is purely incidental, and says more, I think, about the current state of Anglosphere conservatism than it does about me.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

@Shadowplay

Some good stories today, thank you!

My pleasure.

IMO many Americans don’t know who Princess Michael of Kent is or what a golliwog is. So an incident that includes both of them is educational.

More info on Princess Pushy:

Her background also caused a stir. Born in Carlsbad, a German-populated town now part of the Czech Republic, her father, Baron Gunther Hubertus von Reibnitz, was reportedly a Nazi party member. Following the revelation of her father’s Nazi past, she told television viewers in an interview: “My shoulders are broad. I shall have to carry it. I wasn’t alive when all this happened, so I hope people will judge me on my performance, on what I am.”

Ha, ha, we will.

http://people.com/royals/princess-michael-of-kent-controversial-royal-family-member/

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Apparently Wife With A Purpose has been suspended from Twitter. My heart bleeds.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Somebody left a gift-wrapped packahe at Mnuchin’s Bel Air home; bomb squad called; box contained shit.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/Suspicious-Package-Addressed-to-Treasury-Secretary-Steven-Mnuchin-466199153.html

Merry Christmas.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Virginia teen shot girlfriend’s parents and self because they wouldn’t let their daughter date a neo-Nazi

The parents are dead. The scumbag survived because of course he bloody well did.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

They’ll throw away the key … surely?

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Nah. They’ll blame the daughter somehow, I’ll put you a fiver on it.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Typical neo-Nazi: so useless that he can’t even kill himself successfully. I hope he has life-altering injuries which make him wish he had succeeded.

It’s very thoughtful of someone to send Mnuchin horse manure. A house like that is likely to have a garden, so that’s a lovely gift. Don’t look a gift horse in the, uh…

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

To make up for the bad news I’ve been posting, and with due reverence to our feline overlords:

How to wrap a cat for Christmas (FB video)

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
3 years ago

@wwth

Youre making sense indeed. Protests act as a statement of “WE ARE HERE WE ARE HERE WE ARE HERE!” a la Horton Hears a Who.

And it can be a vital piece in the puzzle. I agree with you about the women’s march and Weinstein. Dimmy was wrong to claim that anyone here is arguing that marches alone are effective, but I’m speaking from experience of *others* telling me to just “have a massive angry protest in order to stop Brexit.”

It needs more than that. Right now we are battling a right wing media that is powerful and stubborn, politicians so corrupt they think its perfectly fine to lie to everyone and then lie about lying, and then of course there is the suspected but not quite proven Cambridge Analytica and Russian interference question.

And don’t even get me started on Jeremy Corbyn the so called “Opposition” leader.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

That murder in Virginia … it makes my heart sick.

@sunnysombrera

I’ve been trying to keep track of the Cambridge Analytica stuff since around US election time last year. Is there anything new/recent that you know of? When I first heard about it, I thought it sounded way too much like a conspiracy theory, but conspiracies do actually happen, right? 🙂

What are your thoughts on Corbyn, if you don’t mind me asking? He seems to really polarise people on the UK left, is that right?

Makroth
Makroth
3 years ago

@Shadowplay

I’m actually glad he didn’t manage to kill himself. He would have gotten off too easy if he did. But i don’t trust the prison system to rehabilitate him either.
I guess it’s too much to hope people take a look at his friends and internet activity.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

There’s a lot of bad news circulating right now, some of which breaks my heart and some of which makes me growl defiance.

So in the spirit of the Pterry book, Happy Hogswatch to all. Let’s make sure the sun rises every day.

Who?
Who?
3 years ago

Happy Christmas or any other holiday that is happening right now.

Sheila Crosby
3 years ago

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In Spain, it’s traditional to wait until midnight on Christmas Eve before you put baby Jesus into the crib. Until then the manger is empty because he hasn’t been born yet. Last year in Las Nieves church, a kitten sneaked in, tested out the manger and obviously found it very comfortable.

Whether you celebrate Christmas or something else, I hope you have a wonderful time with whoever you most like to spend time with.

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
3 years ago

@Mish

For the same reason as you, I haven’t really bothered to look into Cambridge Analytica. Plus, researching bot networks and such doesn’t really interest me anyway.

Jeremy Corbyn. Hoo boy, sit down for this one. I’m not totally against him but I don’t trust him. Everything about what he has been doing lately screams “I want to be in power no matter the cost to anyone else.” He also seems to be a living human example of what happens when a fanbase puts people off the product itself. Some Corbynites are so fanatical that they will straight up abuse anyone who doubts his political prowess or “integrity”. There is very much an personality cult thing going on within the Labour Party and I don’t much care for it.

I understand why people like him. He’s got positive radical ideas for a more equal society (despite overlooking cases of misogyny and anti-semitism within his own party…) which I can on board with, but at the heart of it all he and his front benchers are spin doctors, supported by faithful pundits and blogs, online papers like the Independent and The Canary (which is so far left wing it’s basically modern day Pravda for the English speaking world).

Brexit is his downfall. He flat out refuses to oppose the Tories and enables any vote they want to win by whipping his MPs to abstain. He’s actively letting them get away with shit but the Labour PR machine has pumped his followers full of the same tired excuses: “Tories are a majority and he’s not running the show, what do you expect him to do?” or “He’s playing the long game!” or “If he stands against the Tories he’ll alienate Leavers and Labour will lose the next election!” or “He has to wait for public opinion to turn first but he’s really a pro European! Really!” Blind faith. Nothing but blind, stubborn faith and they too seem to only care about Labour winning the next election. The damage done from Brexit is second place priority for them.

Bear in mind he does nothing to actually try and turn public opinion despite his popularity. He just makes statements like “Labour Brexit will be far better than Tory Brexit” (which is bullshit because leaving the single market and customs union, which he has repeatedly said he wants Britain to do, means that absolutely nobody except the rich will get anything from Brexit at all. You can’t have Brexit AND end austerity but saying so falls on deaf ears).

Its incredibly clear to me that he actually wants what the Tories want due to being a die hard socialist. EEA rules mean he can’t implement the level of state ownership he desires so he wants out, but he doesn’t want to lose Remain voting Labour supporters so he pretends Labour doesn’t have a clear position at all. Or rather, he throws a bone to both pro and anti EU groups to make them both think he’s on their side. Seriously, for every Corbynista who is convinced he secretly supports Remain there is another who’s equally convinced he’s a Brexiteer. This enormous act of doublespeak does not scream “integrity” to me.

People are quitting the Labour Party in droves due to his Brexit stance but he is yet another figure who surrounds himself with sycophants, so he doesn’t see it. He’s convinced that he can win an election on the back of “look how the Tories wrecked UK with Brexit!” and not be called out for how he sat on his hands and let them get away with it all. Opposition is more than just voting on a Bill. He doesn’t do jack shit and he’s managed to convince a chunk of people that a Labour government is more important than millions of people not having their lives turned upside down.

That’s why I don’t trust him. And I’m flat out furious with the rabid section of his fanbase. They are splitting the Remain movement by siding with a charlatan and placing him on a pedestal above all else.

End rant.

Fabe
Fabe
3 years ago

I’m actually glad he didn’t manage to kill himself. He would have gotten off too easy if he did. But i don’t trust the prison system to rehabilitate him either.

Odds are He’ll be welcomed with open arms into a white supremacy prison gang once he gets there.

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

Maybe it was linked upthread, but this Bannon piece is good. He’s a very angry and probably drug-addled man.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/bannon-for-president-trump-kushner-ivanka?mbid=social_twitter

Best moment is when he’s presented as some kind of polymath genius but has to pull out the book he’s reading to reference Thermoplyae, fucking 300! and botches the reference anyway.

Kevin
Kevin
3 years ago

@Mish

Re: Hogswatch.

Many thanks.

Nanny Oggs Bosom
Nanny Oggs Bosom
3 years ago

Happy Hogswatch All

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ sunnysombrera

I’m not a fan of Corbyn for much the same reasons you mention. In fairness though he’s always been very open about wanting to leave the EU. He was a protégé of Tony Benn after all and he’d been consistent in his voting on that.

https://semipartisansam.com/2015/09/18/jeremy-corbyn-capitulates-on-the-eu-betraying-left-wing-eurosceptics/

ETA: I hope I don’t jinx things but I’m becoming ever more optimistic Brexit won’t happen. It seems with the current maneuverings in Parliament they’ve just set it up so they can vote to reject whatever deal the government comes up with.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

I’m also wondering if Dimmy might be a troll.

Of course, protests are only part of the picture. I do think they can be very effective. It’s a mass show of disapproval, if nothing else. Remember how reticent, at first, the major US television networks were, when it came to reporting on the Occupy protests? I think they were hoping those protests would sink without a trace.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, everyone!

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

Happy Hogswatch!

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Continuing a 62 year Christmas tradition is the NORAD Santa tracker.

Neat, especially when you consider the origins of it as an explanation for a heightened alert state during a higher risk period. It was an assumption that any unsignalled first strike of nuclear weapons would likely occur during a holiday period, to maximise confusion and minimise the effective response.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

NORAD is lying, of course. They say Santa’s in Kosovo at the moment, but Google say he’s in Namibia.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Google’s animation of Santa could be improved, though. It looks rather like he poops down your chimney, which is not in any version of the story I’ve come across.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Depends how naughty you’ve been 😛

Hambeast
Hambeast
3 years ago

I spent a number of years working in the AFSATCOM MCC at Offutt AFB and I can tell you that Santa and the VPOTUS both have their actual whereabouts classified when they’re travelling.

True story.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Please, Hambeast, I’m not a little kid. I know that Pence is a fictional character.

Marina L
Marina L
3 years ago

Merry Christmas Mammotheers!

Nequam
Nequam
3 years ago

Fabe: As if he would be put in any prison rough enough to have a white supremacist group. Nah, white-collar Club Feds for the likes of him.

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

Happy Holidays, Mammotheers!

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

Happy Holidays everybody!

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
3 years ago

Hey, Mammotheers, I hope everyone is enjoying themselves thoroughly. And for those who celebrate the holiday, Merry Christmas!

David F., all best wishes for your good health and your return to WHTM.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Merry Christmas to all those who celebrate, Happy Holidays to those who don’t, and peace to all.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

fröhliche feliz bom joyeux bon i feliç buon Hogswatch, Mammotheers and David, hoping you are well, that all the wild boar are flourishing and that Cosmo Lavish and his ilk are soon in the Tanty or wherever they can no longer harm everyone else.

(Corbyn voted Remain (giving the EU “7/10”) and says he would do so again to prioritise jobs/the economy/well-being. Personally I very much hope Alan is right and that Parliament with its “meaningful vote” (and/or/with the help of the current legal challenges to the A50 situation and to the validity of the ref???) does indeed manage to scupper the whole bloody mess. Now that would be a great new year! – hopefully ’18 rather than ’19, with all the damage it’s already doing)

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

My favorite Hogswatch sentiment:

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Victorious Parasol,

Excellent choice. Even better than my favourite word from Hogfather: “Glubs,” said the child. Glubs is simply the best word. Say it several times and see if you don’t grin (if you try this, and there’s no grin, don’t tell me, ’cause you’ll ruin it).

@sunnysombrera (and also Alan and opposablethumbs)
Thanks so much for those insights on Corbyn and related matters. Admittedly, I haven’t followed news on Corbyn in great detail, but what I have seen tends to present him in either fanatically glowing terms, or as Socialist Lucifer (pleonasm?).
So some nuance is appreciated!
(spellcheck wants to change Corbyn to corncob – make of that what you will).

@everyone,
I hope you all have a break from stuff, and enjoy some relaxing time. Katie knows, we all need some time out.

@David F., please take care of yourself and hang in there. Lots of good wishes heading your way from the mammotheers.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

@Mish

I started smiling as soon as I read “Glubs.”

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Looks like Twitter was serious about suspending hate speech accounts.

Assange’s account is gone. Thats some, er, mighty fine aiming they got there.

This post may contain traces of sarcasm.

THE_SAMURAI
THE_SAMURAI
3 years ago

Happy holidays!