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Happy Thanksgiving, to everyone who celebrates it! And a very merry Thursday to everyone who doesn’t.

Because I haven’t provided a health update in a while (outside of the comments) I just wanted to reassure everyone that I am still here, and still trying to sort through a bunch of medical issues with the help of assorted doctors, some very competent and others not so much.

The issues I’m facing aren’t lifethreatening, but they are still debilitating enough to keep me from regular posting here. Sorry to be so vague; I’ll offer more details once some of these issues are sorted out a bit more. I’ll return to posting as soon as I am able but I cannot predict when that will be.

I appreciate everyone’s patience and continued support. Thanks!

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Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
6 years ago

Mish:

Enjoy your light dusting of snow you horribly lucky snow-having-person. It looks like summer has finally decided to settle in here, so I’ll just be melting for the next few months (and not in a fun way).

BTW, the snow had already melted in rain by the time this comment was written 🙂

It’s currently murky and cold and wet and windy, but I do appreciate not having to melt in super hot weather, even in summer.

Crazy dog lady
Crazy dog lady
6 years ago

Thanks for the advice (about 3 pages back)

Its been a busy few days

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Other general thoughts about an extended social presence on /pol/.

The rules to the site and the rules to the boards are to be respected and included in any planned post. What we would be about would be politics, and that has rules. There are best ways of doing this. My attempt would be overt, honest, and upfront about everything. I am considering if the local equivalent of the “site issues discussion” board first.
“Yes we’re here as a group for political purposes. No we’re not here to fight and we will try to act that way. I know our presence will be reacted to strongly, we’ve prepared for that.”
The potential reactions could be fun and interesting as well as useful.

The moderators. The moderators are there for a few reasons, to break up fights, assign consequences to actions, and remove off-topic material. I know what that’s like. I watched friends become mentally I’ll doing that. I became mentally I’ll while doing that (a job as a substitute teacher and helping in an online community schism contributed). At some point they may just want the fighting to stop. That’s how the furrys and bronies got kicked off. Eventually they gave up on /b/ with the furries and quarantined the bronies on their own board (/co/ and /b/ had tantrums). Since this is /b/ there were pony thread at a low level, sometimes left alone. The community often eventually tolerates.
That deserves to be planned for in detail. For effectiveness if not kindness and sympathy.

Shadowplay
6 years ago

Yeah, modding is tough. Done it a few times, hated it every time. Tempting though it is to think “well, the mods of a cesspool can’t be all that great” they still don’t need extra crap.

I’m still working on the alternative personalities thing you asked about – it’s a touch tangled with both personal stuff and other people’s privacy concerns. Not that they’d know about it but I will, if you get my meaning.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

I’m thinking in terms of a “dragging through the community over time” approach with a. I wouldn’t want to limit anyone’s use of aggression, that would be unwise. It’s more like “here are some other approaches to specific kinds of aggressive and irrational poster doing a dominance display”.

I’m definitely overthinking something. This seems rational and doable but there is a burn out problem I have not wanted to admit. Posting here helps me think about it though.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
6 years ago

@Shadowplay,

Re kids in bed – oh my, yes! I only have the one, whereas it sounds like you have around 50, but when my boy was baby/toddler age, sleep was his natural enemy and he fought it with everything. We did all the controlled crying stuff (which has scarred us to this day, mutter angry mutter) until finally I just put a mattress on the floor and that’s where we slept. Didn’t fix everything but it sure made life easier.

Re that troll & Anna Dempster – agreed, this is someone who seems to spend far too much time fantasising about beating up women. Reminds me of a video someone shared back when I did Tae Kwon Do, of a woman sparring, and beating all comers. She was amazing – the comments not so much; so many men absolutely seething with fury and the desire to put her in her place. It was chilling.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

@Shadowplay
No problem. It’s not a simple thing at many levels 🙂

Shadowplay
6 years ago

@ Mish – only 6 of them, but there were nights it seemed like there were 600 🙂 Easier is good and screw the scolds – if it works it works 🙂

Course with 6 there were a bit more finessing to give them all the attention they needed (not all they wanted, of course!) – family dinners were the main thing, and everyone’s day was equally important to hear about (we went youngest to eldest, usually, unless it was a birthday or a nameday).
Still, was worth it. All out and with families of their own now – so now when I get back from abroad – I got grandkids to attend on! 😛

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

Hey, can’t a judge make an offhand comment once in a while? Lighten up!

Prominent appeals court Judge Alex Kozinski accused of sexual misconduct

A former clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski said the powerful and well-known jurist, who for many years served as chief judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, called her into his office several times and pulled up pornography on his computer, asking if she thought it was photoshopped or if it aroused her sexually.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/prominent-appeals-court-judge-alex-kozinski-accused-of-sexual-misconduct/2017/12/08/1763e2b8-d913-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?utm_term=.9307b3cf11b8

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

Heavens to Katie, if the publishing powers-that-be are going to lie about onions, what won’t they lie about! (In the opinion of this freelance editor, publishers have been lying to me for decades about how long it will take to edit a manuscript.)

Layers of Deceit
Why do recipe writers lie and lie and lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions?
By Tom Scocca

This article is news you can use, served two ways: For one thing, it teaches you how to actually brown onions. And for another, it teaches you that you have been gaslit and that you are probably not as bad of a cook as you might think. That’s service journalism at its finest. —Susan Matthews

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/life/scocca/2012/05/how_to_cook_onions_why_recipe_writers_lie_and_lie_about_how_long_they_take_to_caramelize_/120502_SCOCCA_CaramelizingOnions.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/scocca/2012/05/how_to_cook_onions_why_recipe_writers_lie_and_lie_about_how_long_they_take_to_caramelize_.html

CleverForAGirl - microprostitute
CleverForAGirl - microprostitute
6 years ago

Dutch oven, low stove, simmer mat, keep those bad boys on low and slow all day. Seriously, grab a snack, watch some netflix ’cause it’s going to be all day.

I usually fill up the dutch oven with onions, a stick of butter, a spoon of brown sugar and maybe some balsamic. Some of the onions end up in soup, some end up in the freezer for pasta sauce, or anything that can use that flavor and body.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

There’s proof: electing women radically improves life for mothers and families

When Iceland elected a female president in 1980, it set off a domino effect that turned it into one of the most egalitarian countries. What can the US learn?

When Vigdís Finnbogadóttir, a divorced single mother, ran for president of Iceland in 1980, women made up only 5% of parliamentarians in the Nordic country.

“I never thought I would win,” she says, sitting in the modernist architectural splendor of the University of Iceland multicultural institute that bears her name in Reykjavik. “I just wanted to prove a woman could run.”

But in August of that year, she became the first female elected head of state anywhere in the world. Reflecting on the impact of her 16-year tenure, she has no time for false modesty.

“If I may say so, because I hear it all the time, it changed everything,” says the 87-year-old. “Women thought, if she can, I can. In my advanced age, women still thank me for being a role model.”

In this small nation, there is a near-unquestioned conviction based on decades of evidence that electing women to positions of power benefits women and families. And at a time when American women, galvanized by the election of Donald Trump, are showing unprecedented interest in entering the political arena themselves, Iceland can provide both a roadmap and a promise for what’s possible.

Iceland’s lesson for America is clear: when women win elections, everyone wins.

“There is absolutely no doubt that there is an equivalency between more gender-balanced political representation and better policies for women,” says Brynhildur Heiðar, executive manager of the Icelandic Women’s Rights Association. “Parental leave, daycare, the gender pay gap – none of these were seen as major issues before women ran for parliament.” . . .

It’s no coincidence that last year Iceland was ranked the most gender equal country in the world by the World Economic Forum – for the ninth time – and the Economist recently named it the world’s best place for working women. . . .

A paper by Georgetown University political scientist Michele Swers found that liberal female legislators co-sponsored an average of 10.6 bills related to women’s health – an average of 5.3 more than their liberal male colleagues. (Incidentally, a Stanford University study also showed that female Congress members simply get more stuff done – passing, on average, twice as many bills as male legislators in one analyzed session of Congress.)*

The link between legislators and female-friendly and family-friendly policies is long accepted in Iceland, says Heiðar. “From our perspective there is no doubt that women in parliament drive policy for women.”

A historical look at key policies in the nation appears to back this up. In the 1990s, full-time, highly subsidised daycare became available for all children aged two and older after the election of several parliamentarians from the Women’s Alliance, a women-centred political party, and the election of Finnbogadóttir the decade before.

In 2000, by which time a third of MPs were women, a new law introduced a nine-month parental leave, which gave both mothers and fathers three months of paid leave each, plus an additional three months to split between them. At the time it was the longest amount of paid leave given to fathers anywhere in the world. “It changed society overnight,” says Ólafur Stephensen, secretary general of the Icelandic Federation of Trade and a father of two.

The next big push came after the 2008 financial crisis, which saw Iceland’s banking system collapse, creating a severe economic depression. In the election that followed in 2009, women took 43% of the seats, and Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir became the country’s first female prime minister – and the world’s first openly lesbian head of government.

“Because things were such a mess in 2009, the increase in women went almost unnoticed,” says Heiðar. “But we went from being a ‘normal’ democracy to a gender-equal parliament overnight – it was a fantastic victory.” The country briefly achieved gender parity in 2016, 101 years after Icelandic women first got the vote.

In the years that followed, new laws introduced quotas for women on company boards, a ban on strip clubs and the purchase of sex, the removal of perpetrators of domestic violence from the family, and a recent push to make employers prove equal pay.

Female political representation empowers other women at the top of other fields too, says Sigríður Björk Guðjónsdóttir, Reykjavik’s first female chief of police. Since ascending to the post in 2014, she has made violence against women and girls a priority. . . .

If the tiny nation has anything to teach the States, it is this: don’t give up. “Just keep going,” says [Auður] Styrkársdóttir. “Icelandic women aren’t here because it was handed to us – we had to fight all the way, and we are still fighting.”

*Misandry.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@CleverForAGirl

Finally Mammotheers discuss onions!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 years ago

Oooh, tips on cooking onions. Just when I am contemplating what I will be making for Christmas dinner:

https://www.onceuponachef.com/recipes/onion-braised-beef-brisket.html

Shadowplay
6 years ago

@Victorious Parasol

I do almost that exact recipe – try stirring a teeny bit of powdered mustard into the onions when you’re coating them in the oil/meat juice. I usually eyeball it at about a teaspoon for 6 onions. (I also put the brisket on top of a few sprigs of thyme).

Kicks it up about 20 levels. 😛

Robert Walker-Smith
Robert Walker-Smith
6 years ago

My husband has explained to me that the onions aren’t caramelized until they’re roughly the same color as him. What I usually make only counts as sauteed onions.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

@Robert Walker-Smith

IMO, the onions in the photo are only partly caramelized. Some of the edges are truly caramelized, but the rest is just a half step beyond sauteed.

PHOTOSHOPPED ONIONS!!! FAKE NEWZ!!!!!!!!!!

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
6 years ago

Yum, onions. I’ll have to remember the bit about adding powdered mustard to them, @Shadowplay.

I couldn’t be married to someone who didn’t love onions as much as I do. I’ve worked with people who found the smell of onions to be so objectionable that they couldn’t stand to be in the same room with them. We’re talking about a little bit of sliced onion on a sub sandwich, that’s all.

@Kat: Iceland is a strange place. I remember reading in an article – I don’t know how true it is – that most of the men belonged to one political party, and most of the women, to another. Although, this was at least 8 years ago, so things may have changed. Apparently, this was attributed to a rigid divide in occupation between the sexes – many of the men were gone for most of the day, fishing.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

Woo-hoo!

Trump accusers to unite for first time, demand congressional investigation into allegations

Women that have publicly accused President Trump of sexual misconduct will call for Congress to investigate the allegations at a press conference on Monday.

The women will unite for the first time to demand the probe and share details of their allegations against Trump, according to a press release.

The conference is being hosted by Brave New Films, a documentary group that released a film about the allegations against Trump in November.

More than a dozen women came forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against Trump during his presidential campaign.

Trump has denied the reports and the White House has said its official position is that the women are lying.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/364217-trump-accusers-to-unite-for-first-time-demand-congressional

@Dormousing_it

Interesting factoid about Iceland. And welcome to the Onion Fan Club! Our meetings are aromatic.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
6 years ago

Disney exec!

Disney Music Executive Has Been Arrested on Child Sexual Abuse Charges

This weekend spewed plenty more slime for the chumbucket (the Running List of Alleged Predators Facing Accusations and Consequences Post-Weinstein) (refresh later for updates), but particularly horrendous was Variety’s report that Disney music executive Jon Heely has been charged with three counts of child sexual abuse. On Friday, Heely was suspended from his position as director of music publishing without pay.

Variety reports that Heely has been accused of abusing one girl when she was 15 and another starting when she was 11 til the age of 15, which allegedly took place about a decade ago. According to inmate records, Heely was arrested on felony charges on November 16th, but a Disney spokesperson claims that the company did not learn of the charges until Friday evening.

https://jezebel.com/disney-music-executive-has-been-arrested-on-child-sexua-1821166787

Shadowplay
6 years ago

Disney exec!

You surprised? An almost infinite supply of youngsters with the usual percentage of stage Moms and/or meal ticket Dads who won’t squeak?

It’s a predators paradise.

Nothing is Permanent But Woe
Nothing is Permanent But Woe
6 years ago

@Valentin

Sorry, I was away for the weekend – playing in the snow! Please don’t think I took any offence, I understood entirely what you meant and you are exactly right to be cautious. I got into urbex after 25 years of cave and mine exploration, but even so I still have lots to learn.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I have a new computer, so this comment might not show up right away, but I wanted to let people know that a writing magazine I read called Room* is doing a queer-themed issue! They’re accepting submissions until the end of January – link to website page here.

*Room is a feminist art and literary journal (stories, poems, etc) that’s based in Canada, but it accepts submissions from everywhere. It publishes work by women and non-binary people.

@Nothing is Permanent – sounds pretty cool. I like climbing things, but there aren’t too many outside things to climb in the city. Sadly, it’s also socially odd for an adult human (a woman especially, it seems) to climb rocks and trees. Next time I’m in the country, though! Might as while climb trees while I still can. If somewhat cautiously.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

Some random thoughts about privilege that I’ve been trying to figure out how to express.
*It’s a concept. It shows you things about the world the way a biology course would.

*Knowing about it has benefits. It’s challenging to think about but it’s worth it because your social perspective becomes more accurate. You see how you relate to the problem. Criticism and introspection are simple parts of human behavior we can learn and benefit from.

*Privilege gives you advantages and benefits that you can leverage against people in the same in-group as you. You get to push on that social channel. The concept can hurt to think about but you learn to see the things that those with less privilege are talking about. Think about it as cultural objectification of harmful social behavior. The previous sentence can be thought of as a tool that you load into your perception and apply on a general level in thought.

*I have privileges in human communication because of the Tourette’s Syndrome. I’m tentatively calling it “impulsive social urge channel”. Think about a person obsessively thinking about social rules as a tool for mental hygiene because of what they are. I’m one in a hundred and fifty and biology is telling me very useful things about myself. It can do that for others with things we call syndromes and disorders that are actually part of our basic ape individual diversity with your useful differences in how we relate to the rest of the group.

*Privilege let’s you find ways of interacting with the swarm on the internet. I see some of the shapes for the problem. This seems implicit because of how a homo sapiens meat computer seems to work.

All of that to try to explain why l to enjoy it when other people try to insult me. I get to enjoy a good social conflict that I can justify. Tourette’s Syndrome + white, male and a bunch of other social tools. I feel good about being human right now.