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Happy Indictment Day! Open thread

Lock him up!

By David Futrelle

Three, three indictments in one! Three former Trump campaign officials are in the hot seat today. Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is the big name on the list (along with his pal Rick Gates), for such fun things as conspiracy against the U.S. and money laundering. But even more intriguing is the GUILTY PLEA of relatively unknown Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos, whom Mueller has presumably flipped, who seems to have been doing some active COLLUDING WITH THE RUSSIANS.

So here’s an open thread to discuss the news and any other indictment fun that transpires today.

NOTE: Sorry to have gone missing for so long. I’m still dealing with a combo of health issues that have made it very difficult to work. Thanks again for your patience and support.

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MrsObedMarsh
MrsObedMarsh
7 years ago

A “documentary” produced by a man who divorced his wife and went to Costa Rica to bone sex workers about how he is a hero for divorcing his wife and boning Costa Rican sex workers:

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

“I was married once. For two years.”

Oh, FUCK this self-aggrandizing asshole. 2 years. What the fuck.

I had to stop. Because I really am not interested in hearing this dipshit’s boner travelogue. Puhleeze.

calmdown
calmdown
7 years ago

Wow, that’s hard to watch. Also, some fabulous acting in that piece of work.

Jjj
Jjj
7 years ago

Just going to rant for a bit so. MRAs get super offended when mass shooter gender statistics are brung up. They say how dare u demonise all men like that and #notallmen. But no one ever says all men are mass shooters, just that most mass shooters are men.

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I bet u feminists dont get upset when it’s said that mothers are more likely to commit infanticide. In fact MRA types, mostly father rights groups tend to bring up the gender infanticide to make a point on how mothers aren’t automatically better parents.

Irony,

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Since the mainstream media appear to have suppressed reports of yesterday’s antifa uprising, I have to rely on @RespectableLaw and their large adult son Geoffrey for news. I wasn’t expecting the gay-bomb!

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Shadowplay:

Wisconsin GOP lawmaker says women should be forced to give birth to grow the labor force

His comments are vile and stupid, of course, but right out of the gate I rolled my eyes at his first line in that article:

“Often in public debates people are afraid to say it, but let me just say it: Abortion is wrong,” Allen said, as reported by Mitch Reynolds of WIZM.

Finally there’s someone on the right brave enough to say that abortion is wrong, an opinion which you just never hear!

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
7 years ago

Amazing how bravery has come to mean shoving your nose in other peoples business from a position of power, isn’t it? Allen (and the others) could do with checking out his bible again, that’s for sure – specifically 1 Thessalonians, 4.11. 😛

In other news … the Daily Caller has not only dumped Milo Yappylittleshit after one column, they’ve fired the guy that hired him for good measure. Theres a fine line between laughing and gloating and I’ve shot past it like a Shrike. 🙂

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
7 years ago

@Moggie, that’s the same Twitter I got my Nov. 4 uprising news from 😀

@Shadowplay, I saw that news re Milo today and have one response:

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Jesalin
Jesalin
7 years ago

@Mish

Oh my stars, that’s just brilliant! Is Ann Kjell the name of the author? I’d love to share this, with credit due.

It is. 🙂

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

The Wisconsin State Assembly also just passed a law that would allow toddlers to hunt with guns. What the hell is in the drinking fountains at the state capitol?

Peak labor? Too many mouths to feed is far more likely to be a catastrophic problem in the future.

I have a feeling that’s the main driver behind a lot of the GOP’s head-scratchingly cruel policies. It’s herd-culling, by people well aware that the planet is overpopulated and they’re sitting in the few lifeboats hoarding all the goodies. They’re pulling up the ladders, beating at people with oars, and throwing them anvils.

It’s such disingenuous crap. If there really is a labor shortage, you’d think they’d be more interested in keeping immigrants in the US.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Buttercup:

I have a feeling that’s the main driver behind a lot of the GOP’s head-scratchingly cruel policies. It’s herd-culling, by people well aware that the planet is overpopulated and they’re sitting in the few lifeboats hoarding all the goodies. They’re pulling up the ladders, beating at people with oars, and throwing them anvils.

The pols, or the super-rich guys behind them?

I’m not convined that most members of Congress think that far ahead. People like the Koch brothers? Maybe.

I don’t think this level of Bond villain evil is necessary to explain the modern GOP. All you need for that are:

1. The corruption of the political process by money from big donors.
2. A large number of mean-spirited and tribal voters who will vote for anything (even against their own interests) if it hurts people they hate.
3. A malignant form of Christianity which has conditioned people to believe that you can deny inconvenient reality and replace it with fantasy, provided you shout loud enough.
4. A lack of negative personal consequences. Most of these shitstains will be re-elected; those who lose will find lucrative private sector jobs thanks to their connections.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

We have a glut of labor. Tons of would-be workers are “surplus to requirements” right now. It’s even worse in some other developed countries — Greece and Spain are hovering around 20% unemployment right now. Not a typo. One fifth.

Ah-ah, but you’re talking about people from other countries and most of them are not white. That doesn’t help the US unless we let those people in, which nativism is not okay with doing. Also, see more on immigration below.

Furthermore, the idea that we need more labor when employment is high is a line that comes from companies that don’t want to pay for labor. You hear a lot today about companies not being able to find qualified candidates and how this is an emergency. Whenever you hear that, mentally insert for the wages I’m willing to pay into that complaint. Realtalk: people are willing to do shit jobs if those jobs pay better than shit. It’s when you want people to work for pennies in a job that is physically or psychologically unpleasant in some way that you run into labor problems. Folks with other options will take them.

In the industrial age, productivity has tended to be limited decreasingly by labor, as automation advances, and increasingly by fuel. But the rapid build-out of wind and solar capacity is quickly rendering peak-oil fears moot. Now there’s talk of peak lithium, but more likely we’ll be having to worry about peak arable land and peak freshwater, especially when the likely consequences of climate change are factored in.

Potable water is, and will continue to be, the most important resource on earth. Regardless of that, you need continual population growth in order to have continual growth of GDP, which economists are convinced is necessary in order to attain The Good Life. It’s not complete bullshit: countries with negative population growth have economic problems. It’s arguable that this is a cultural problem rather than an objective one, but until a solution to that is found, it remains a problem.

But if a country depends upon immigration to have a thriving economy, that’s just shifting the problem somewhere else. Somewhere else is going to have economic woes because we lure away all their most able, most resourceful, most driven and motivated citizens. Those charts that show how much more immigrants contribute to the economy compared with what resources they use make me wonder if we’re not stealing that economic activity directly from those immigrants’ countries of origin. What effect does that have over time? Nothing good, and bad economic returns translate straight into internal civil disruption.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
7 years ago
numerobis
numerobis
7 years ago

Surplus:

talk of peak lithium

There’s talk of all sorts of things. HAARP, inside jobs, Chinese hoaxes, … and talk about how a metal that’s easy to grab out of saltwater will be scarce.

The thing that’s scarce in current batteries is cobalt. If we ran out today, we’d have to use slightly less efficient chemistries. There’s very active research in batteries to get more efficient, long-lived, and cheaper. A lot of that research uses different minerals.

numerobis
numerobis
7 years ago

POM:

you need continual population growth in order to have continual growth of GDP, which economists are convinced is necessary in order to attain The Good Life

The Good Life is *per-capita* growth. Modern economic theory can deal with population decline as long as it’s not too fast.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

The Good Life is *per-capita* growth. Modern economic theory can deal with population decline as long as it’s not too fast.

If your population is on the way down, sooner or later your pyramid is going to be upside-down. An upside-down population pyramid is Bad News. It can be somewhat bad, or incredibly bad depending on how precipitous the decline, but it’s never good.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

I don’t want to derail the economic discussion (please carry on), but I had to drop this in here. Uma Thurman is angry, and sounds like she’s getting ready to drop some bombs:

Sheila Crosby
7 years ago

I think the point is that having more workers than jobs drive wages down, so of course the 0.1% want more workers.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
7 years ago

@Moggie

The pols, or the super-rich guys behind them?

Not the politicians – they’re just there to put a shiny facade on these terrible policies, and most of them aren’t stellar srategic thinkers. It’s the super-rich donors and the GOP think tanks pushing this stuff, whose business it is to consolidate power and ensure a permanent Republican majority. They’re well aware of where future threats to their power will come from, and they’re moving to neutralize those threats.

The Kochs, Mercers et. al. are trying to tilt the playing field far enough that they’ll never face serious competition for their wealth. As you mentioned, it helps that they have a ready army of would-be brownshirts and trolls whose white supremacist agenda gets a lift from the same divide-and-conquer tactics.

If Trump’s base ever woke up and realized who’s really screwing them, the .01% would be toast.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
7 years ago

I saw this yesterday…Uma’s response is absolutely the definition of “controlled fury”.

PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Tired of the Militant Plasticfaced) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Mass shooting in a Texas baptist church. At least 24 dead.

FUCKING ENOUGH, NRA! ENOUGH!!
CONGRESS, GET OFF YOU FUCKING ASSES! WE HAVE TERRORISM RIGHT HERE IN THE US AND *MORE* GUNS ISN’T THE FUCKING ANSWER!!

I am so PISSED right now!!

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
7 years ago

Judging by Trump’s tweet on the incident and no mention of the word “terrorism”, the shooter was white.

Moggie
Moggie
7 years ago

Thanfully, the Texas governor has leapt into action and offered his thoughts and prayers, so that’s his duty done.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
7 years ago

Look at this fucking idiot Cernovich:

“Mass shooting at The First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, which has a largely white denomination.

Antifa terrorist attack?”

Goddamned little fucker.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
7 years ago

Look at this fucking idiot Cernovich:

Redundant.

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