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Women in abusive relationships should be jailed as accomplices, “involuntarily celibate” Redditor argues

What incels fantasize about

By David Futrelle

Leave it to the terrible excuses for human beings who populate the Incels subreddit to take victim blaming to its perverse extreme.

women in abusive relationships should be sent to prison (self.Incels) submitted 17 days ago by Alia_Harkonnen They are the fuel for their abusive Chads they'll later cry about, they are just as bad but also spineless and disgusting. They aren't victims of anything at all. they are in on it. If beating someone up is a crime than willingly letting them beat you up is supporting a criminal activity and should get them locked up as conspirators. Of course if it can be proven that they didn't have a choice cause they were locked in a basement or if they report the Chad and leave, then they shouldn't go to prison. But if they are caught in an ongoing relationship with history of abuse, they should be treated like criminals they are and not like victims.

I’m not sure you really count as an “involuntary celibate” if you hold views so toxic that no women would even want to be in the same room as you.

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Mercurychyld
Mercurychyld
3 years ago

What a completely unfeeling, insensitive, ignorant fool. 😡

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Conspiracy to… what?

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Conspiracy to… what?

Not fuck them, of course.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I know it’s beside the point and the truly appalling thing is all the misogyny, but incel political policies are always just so impractical.

First of all, when in the relationship would the victim have to leave? Does it only apply to physical abuse? Is the policy gender neutral or is it only female victims of male abusers that are punished? Will doctors, nurses, psychs and other people in health professions be required to break confidentiality to report victims? Will domestic violence hotline counselors be required to report? If they don’t will they be jailed too? Won’t this just mean that victims will simply stop seeking medical treatment? What’s the sentence for the crime of being an abuse victim? Is probation with counseling a possibility for first offenders? Or is it straight to jail do not pass Go? If both the abuser and victim go to jail and they have children, what happens to those children? How will we pay for the extra burden to criminal justice and foster care systems?

This is just like the Return of Kings immigration policy from the other day. Not only are manosphere govt policies hateful, they just aren’t really even feasible.

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

Aren’t women in abusive relationships already “jailed” by assholes? Ever heard of double jeopardy?

Also, if women abused by assholes started dating incels, wouldn’t that also lead to another abusive relationship?

Weatherwax
Weatherwax
3 years ago

There just are no words.

ETA I had a go at putting the Clue excerpt “flames, flames on the sides of my face” here.

Oh well.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2t-hyB8ibgk

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

If beating someone up is a crime than [sic] willingly letting them beat you up is supporting a criminal activity…

I know it’s not supposed to be funny, but this made me laugh. It’s so stupid I can’t even.
Similar to what wwth said above, incel “logic” is ridiculous.
Imagine applying this to murder, for instance:
“Well, your honour, it’s true that my client killed X, but you should be aware that X willingly let themselves be killed by not resisting enough.”

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

@Mish

Reminds me of that old futurama skit with Santa-bot:

Santa-bot: “Mobsters beating up a shopkeeper for protection money: very naughty”.

“Shopkeeper’s not paying their protection money: equally as naughty.”

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
3 years ago

Ugh. Incel “logic” is so convoluted. But what else would you expect from a rotted, worm infested incel brain? By that logic, every victim of violent crime should be locked up as an accomplice. After all, they let it happen.

brian
brian
3 years ago

so I have to assume that the reason this is on the incel subredit is because he’s mad at women trapped in abusive relationships for not escaping their abusers straight into his arms (and bed)?

Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
Axecalibur: Middle Name Danger
3 years ago

Are only ‘Chads’ abusive? Or does any abusive (male) partner become a ‘Chad’ by act of abuse?

Kelly L.
Kelly L.
3 years ago

Are only ‘Chads’ abusive? Or does any abusive (male) partner become a ‘Chad’ by act of abuse?

Any man with a partner is necessarily a Chad, according to these guys. Because only Chads ever achieve female companionship at all. Every other schlub is single.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

“Incels” are all in a race to see who can be the most repulsive individual on the planet first.

Of course they want to punish women for being abused. Of course, they do.

However low they claim their self-esteem is now, it should be lower.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Diego Duarte,

Of course – how did I not think of that?
There’s a Futurama or Simpsons reference for literally everything 🙂

Deathtothefilth
Deathtothefilth
3 years ago

These fucking idiots have never been in a real human relationship of any sort in their lives, and have no idea how things work. They’re projecting their own imagined responses to things into everyone else, and since they’re fucking shit-for-brains morons, they are incapable of separating fantasy from reality. It’s like those guys who think that in a mass shooting they’d coolly draw and pop the bad guy with a single headshot, before catching a swooning supermodel in their arms and of course she wants to go back to his place.
They’ve never been in a romantic relationship, so have no concept of how someone could become trapped in one, no thought for how a housewife with 2 kids and no work experience for the last decade might not be able to just pack up and leave, especially after having been gaslighted & manipulated.
Fuck these chumps.

Ooglyboggles
3 years ago

Those willfully ignorant fools go to great lengths to justify their fantasies of harming women. The idea that victims of abuse don’t have options is lost to incels, the people who have options but would rather stay miserable.

OodlesSkadoodles
OodlesSkadoodles
3 years ago

Oh the irony, follow his logic and you see incels are co-conspirators in their own involuntary celibacy.

KF
KF
3 years ago

In Iowa, thanks to the precedent set by the Iowa Supreme Court in Henley v. Iowa District Court for Emmett County, 1995, women are regularly arrested and convicted of aiding and abetting in the violation of the restraining orders put in place to protect them. You go to court to get protection. You get a restraining order. The batterer shows up on your door threatening you if you dont let them in. You know the police wont get there in time. You comply in order to de-escalate the situation and avoid an assault. The police show up. You are arrested.

So yes, this actually happens.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
3 years ago

Sadly, many abused women do end up being jailed thanks to ‘failure to protect’ laws. In 29 states, mothers are imprisoned when their abusive partners murder their children. In fact, they are often sentenced for longer periods than the arseholes that actually did it. It’s sickening. So he already has got his wish.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexcampbell/how-the-law-turns-battered-women-into-criminals?utm_term=.wvJVokOb1#.kqnaVJwm7

Catalpa
Catalpa
3 years ago

I presume that this means that the incels also think that women should be charged with being an accessory to rape if she didn’t put up enough of a fight.

Hmm, or would they let that case off the hook because the only “real” kind of rape is the one where a nonwhite stranger drags a virginal white women into the bushes at knifepoint/gunpoint?

Ah, I know. The man of course would not be charged with rape, but the woman would simultaneously be charged with abetting AND with making a false accusation. Because logic.

IgnoreSandra
3 years ago

This reminds me of the other day.

One of my sexual assaults involved me making a conscious choice to be assaulted instead of being beaten up/murdered and THEN assaulted. And yes, according to like eight men as of today (More keep showing up on my original facebook post) that makes me complicit in being assaulted and therefore nullifies the assault.

The thing these stains are advocating for is horrific, and already exists.

MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
MissEB47 (Resident Rainbow Lorikeet and Beak Typist)
3 years ago

Catalpa-

I presume that this means that the incels also think that women should be charged with being an accessory to rape if she didn’t put up enough of a fight.

They probably do think that. It won’t be a huge leap. It’s a good thing that they don’t get to make the laws. They can sit in juries, however. Fuck, what a frightening thought. No wonder hardly any rapists get convicted. 🙁

BritterSweet
3 years ago

To me it sounded more like, “If the victim wasn’t there, there would be no crime.” Like you can’t have a bank robbery without a bank. Which is just as stupid.

Imaginary Petal
Imaginary Petal
3 years ago

If having sex with Chad is a crime, then willingly letting someone have sex with Chad is supporting criminal activity.

Jail the incels.

Sheila Crosby
3 years ago

@IgnoreSandra
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Also, this “logic” would be yet another motive for a cautious woman to stay home with a dildo. Not what they’re hoping to achieve.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

By this logic, we can go over to the incel subreddit, unleash a torrent of abusive trolling, and then have them all arrested. After all, the fact that they received the abuse means they consented, and were therefore complicit in encouraging it. 🤔

I don’t think these shartmarks have thought this through very carefully.

JennyWren
JennyWren
3 years ago

Incels: If a woman isn’t literally tied down in a basement, then the first time he hits her she should just walk out, and if she doesn’t then she’s just as bad.

Also incels: It’s too easy for women to divorce men for no reason. It’s breaking up families and leading to degeneracy. We should make it harder for women to leave relationships.

Jennifer
Jennifer
3 years ago

I am due in IDV court (a NY project court that handles domestic violence) and from where I stand it feels like we already treat victims like criminals.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

Something parallel to this happened some years ago in the UK.

If I remember rightly, the police had handed into them a video someone had found with a lot of BDSM stuff on it, and assumed that there was a murder investigation needed.

Turns out not only was nobody murdered: the people involved were positively enjoying the stuff they were doing and having done to them. Nobody had even needed to go to A&E with it, either.

But then the police decided they needed to justify the police time and prosecuted them for “conspiracy to commit assault” (ie, by consenting to BDSM).

If memory serves, some of them were jailed.

I think the law has since been changed, but it was a pretty tragic case.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

Also incels: It’s too easy for women to divorce men for no reason. It’s breaking up families and leading to degeneracy. We should make it harder for women to leave relationships.

Speaking of Degeneracy, we all saw Contra’s new video, rite? Orgies and dildos and wild gay parties…

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

<3 Sandra and Jennifer

Nanny Oggs Bosom
Nanny Oggs Bosom
3 years ago

*head-desk* These pricks are definitely not involuntarily celibate. I know enough people who’ve survived domestic violence that I can’t even find them funny right now.

Arctic Ape
Arctic Ape
3 years ago

bluecat: That’s amazing – was there a conviction? How is it even possible if the prosecutor already decided there was no evidence of assault?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ bluecat

But then the police decided they needed to justify the police time and prosecuted them for “conspiracy to commit assault” (ie, by consenting to BDSM).

That’s the infamous ‘Spanner’ case (or R -v- Brown & Ors if we’re being technical).

It’s a quirk of common law that you can be both victim and accessory. The textbook example is consenting to a fight. But it also used to be a common way of persecuting gay men, especially in buggery offences. And there have been some disturbing recent examples of rape victims appearing on the indictment as co-conspirators with their rapists.

ETA: you can consent to assault and ABH, and to the *risk* of GBH and death, but not to GBH and death themselves (in England)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Probably something most people here know, but in case there are any lurking incels or general abuse apologists, it should be pointed out that leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time. So it’s just factually bullshit for them to claim that if abuse victims want to be safe, they’ll just walk out.

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

@ Alan – yes, “Spanner”… of course it was!

I remember friends in Italy (where I was living at the time) reading the hair-raising coverage when it was thought to be a multiple murder case, and some of the protests when the prosecution went ahead. Am I right in remembering that some of those who were jailed actually died in prison?

I’ve never heard of rape victims being done as “co-conspirators” before… good grief!

I guess being legally unable to consent to GBH and death applies to euthanasia cases too.

WWTH – good point.

Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
Schnookums Von Ghostface Fancypants Killer
3 years ago

Incels: Women are responsible for their own abuse and should be punished for it!

Also Incels: We are in NO WAY responsible for our lack of sexual activity.

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

Somebody didn’t learn from the first time they flirted with holocaust denailism

@ScaramucciPost
Before we move on we will spend the next half hour digging on one question: How many Jews were alive worldwide in 1939?

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

x2post

Haise, the husky puppy
Haise, the husky puppy
3 years ago

A shocked face from me when this particular incel thinks that women who are forcibly locked up and abused shouldn’t be thought of as criminals. My expectations of them assumed that they would punish them as well, for being too ‘weak’ against Chad and allowing it – or something.

I don’t want to think about the positive replies other incels responded with to this post. You know he got some agreements with it.

Dvärghundspossen
Dvärghundspossen
3 years ago

It’s so weird how they think that all abusive men must be “Chads”.

When I was way younger I was in a rough spot and this friend of mine supported me. He was small and not conventionally handsome at all, not a big hit with the ladies or anything. I became, I guess, emotionally dependent on him. We started dating but he eventually became really mean – not physically abusive, but could reduce me to tears with the mean shit he’d say. Eventually I broke up with him and burned all bridges. But he was SO FAR from how these morons imagine a “Chad”.

I guess a later boyfriend was much more “Chad”-like in their mind, since he’d slept with half the county. But he was NICE for real! Go figure.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

TW: abuser tactics

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Abusers groom their victims to accept their abuse. They often make sure they have no access to money, keep them pregnant, buy them pets, refuse to allow them out of the house unmonitored, restrict their access to phones and internet, destroy their family relationships, convince then if they leave they can’t take clothes, family heirlooms, etc. They sometimes deny them medical help or basic grooming. They destroy their self-esteem and often target survivors of previous abuse because it is easier to convince them they are the problem and there is no such thing as a life without abuse for the victim.

These “incels” know these things. Redpillers, MRAs and PUAs teach each other how to use these tactics and most “incels” began their journey into this cult with those sites. When mgtows write about their fantasies of a perfect future with guaranteed female submission and enslavement, they write about the government enforcing those tactics for them.

kupo
kupo
3 years ago

Also, this “logic” would be yet another motive for a cautious woman to stay home with a dildo. Not what they’re hoping to achieve.

Don’t be silly! Women don’t need dildos; they don’t even enjoy sex. They just use it to control the wallets of men!

/s

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

So by extension, would that not mean that anyone who knew of the abuse/rape and didn’t do anything to help, or actively impeded an investigation, would also be an accomplice?

Romi (drive by commenter) (。•́︿•̀。)
Romi (drive by commenter) (。•́︿•̀。)
3 years ago

Don’t be silly! Women don’t need dildos; they don’t even enjoy sex. They just use it to control the wallets of men!

Wait! You can use *dildos* to control the wallets of men! Why didn’t Katie tell me this when I was inducted into the Feminist Cult!

Z&T
Z&T
3 years ago

I hope you all don’t mind if I carry on here a bit…

TW because it’s upsetting.

My Mom passed away today 🙁

I am very upset. My friend has come to stay with me, my cousin helped me out a great deal earlier. Thank the spirits for her, I was on the verge of losing it.

Now my friend is here too, to keep me calm.
It’s so very sad 🙁 We’re telling ourselves that at least she went fast.

At times like these you realize how alone you are. I don’t have a lot of close family. No significant other, I’ve had way too many problems with men and gave up on it all.

I can’t believe she’s gone. I am stunned by this. Leaving out a lot of details, I found her. Dead. It was awful 🙁

I do have a few friends to help me out, I am grateful.

People need to take care of one another. This bull shit here – who in the hell wants to be an asshole and blame the victim?

The authorities in this case came right away. And everyone helped. Very good people. Police and paramedics offered condolences and were all very nice.

I live in Chicago and someLEO here are pretty much sadistic criminals, others are the utmost professionals. Of course it helps if you live in an “upscale area”. And a fairly routine death of an elderly person must be a pretty cut and dried thing.

Everyone was very nice though and seemed sincerely upset for me too. The one young kid paramedic, I think he was almost on the verge of tears.

They were all professional and helpful. And nice people.

Lurkers, please don’t be purposeful assholes. Be a good person. Care. It’s all that matters.

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

@Z&T

My deepest condolences!

Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
Bananananana dakry: Short-Haired, Fat, and Deranged
3 years ago

@Z&T

*proxy hugs and/or supportive thoughts and condolences*

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