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Some Sunday night BIOTRUTHS from a masturbation-obsessed MGTOW

MGTOWs blind themselves with “science”

By David Futrelle

Misogynists generally like to think of themselves as rational fellows with a love of SCIENCE! But it turns out that more than a few of them have confused SCIENCE! with “things they pull from the collective posteriors that vaguely line up with their retrograde hatred of all things female.”

Take, for example, the SCIENCE-loving masturbation enthusiast known as sonic1101, who regularly graces the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit with nuggets of wisdom he has apparently just fished out of the toilet.

Here are some of his recently posted insights. (Click on any of the pics below to see the original comments in context.)

Here he PROVES that woman can’t love properly, because EVOLUTION.

sonic1101 2 points 49 minutes ago Women are biologically INCAPABLE of truly loving men. It is just how women evolved. Men evolved to be a loyal provider to the mother of his children (because that gave his offspring maximum chance of survival). Women evolved to be DISLOYAL and ALWAYS on the lookout for a better provider (because that gave her offspring maximum chance of survival). Same goal, different strategies. Nature doesn't care about 'justice'. Because they evolved differently, women do not love men the same way men love women. This is why women get over a long term relationship break up so much easier than men because they were never that deeply psychologically invested in the first place.

He seems a bit obsessed with this particular SCIENTIFIC finding, one that many other manosphere dudes seem quite convinced of as well.

sonic1101 22 points 17 days ago DUH we know this. Women are the same THE WORLD OVER. Their manipulative, disloyal, hypergamous nature is BIOLOGICAL. This is why it makes me laugh my ass off when I hear men say "asian women are different". No they are not fool.

He also has strong feelings — sorry, SCIENTIFIC INSIGHTS — about women and sex. Specifically, he contends that women don’t like it very much.

sonic1101 1 point 4 days ago NEWSFLASH Women generally don't like sex that much.

This is also a bit of an obsession with him.

sonic1101[S] 2 points 1 month ago Shut the fuck up they HATE sex. They don't want some strange penis inside them unless they are getting something for it. They would MUCH RATHER masturbate and they don't even do that very often. You have fallen for women's lies you doofus.

As it turns out, sonic1101 also prefers masturbation to sex, or so he says, because it is OBJECTIVELY BETTER than sex, as he proves with LOGIC (or something that vaguely resembles logic anyway).

sonic1101[S] 2 points 1 month ago Do you realize how brilliant your hand is at stimulating your penis? Are you circumcised? Why are you so bad at masturbation? Are you rushing it? WTF is your issue? How the fuck can you possibly say that a vagina is more skilled at stimulating your penis than your own hand? It doesn't even make sense scientifically. So like I said, you are either a woman, or you have never been laid and imagine pussy to be this magical thing that magically stimulates all the precise areas of your penis the way you want. Let me tell you virgin, it DOESN'T.

He feels quite certain about this, as he does about so many things involving his penis.

sonic1101[S] 4 points 1 month ago No you are wrong. I DON'T want to fuck them. Because fucking them does not feel as good as masturbating to them. Why can't you understand that? Porn LOOKS better than it FEELS. You might get really turned on by WATCHING a certain sexual position or act, but actually DOING it does not feel as good. And when you are doing it you can't switch to another woman, you can't pause, you can't repeat, you have to wear a condom, you have to consider the other person, you can't take as long as you want. GET THE PICTURE MORON?

Not surprisingly, this deep thinker has many deep thoughts about the future. Most of which seem to involve sexbots and virtual reality porn.

sonic1101[S] 5 points 19 days ago* But as the technology gets better it will eventually become widely acknowledged that virtual reality sex is OBJECTIVELY a superior sexual experience to sex with physical women. So the social currency associated with the company of physical women will dissolve. I know this is hard to imagine now, but coming technologies will expand the sexual and sensual experience ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than what is currently available to any human.

sonic1101[S] 3 points 19 days ago I think in say 30 years the robots will morph into any person you desire. So you won't need to keep buying a new one. The face and body will just morph. So save the Facebook pictures of the women you know so you can feed them into the machine in 2047.

Ewww.

Not all of sonic1101’s opinions are related to things one can do with a penis. He also has thoughts on agriculture.

sonic1101 1 point 26 days ago There will be no need for agriculture because all food will be assembled molecule by molecule. So all that agricultural land will be available for other purposes. There will be no shortage. You only need a small amount of soil. Waste can be recycled in the molecular assembler. Even all your waste water can be reassembled, your feces can be reassembled back into cheeseburgers. There is always a small patch of earth even in a concrete jungle. There is no need for anyone to "guard" land because money won't exist. What do you need money for?

TOP TIP: If sonic1101 ever invites you to a backyard barbecue, DO NOT ATTEND.

Some of sonic1101’s thoughts border on the cosmic:

sonic1101[S] 2 points 1 month ago Yeah, in fact nature DID intend for our species to develop technology, the internet and online porn. Because all these things expand the complexity, intelligence and experiences of the universe. That IS the way the universe works. Porn technology represents the expansion of the human erotic experience, just as technology has expanded the human experience in so many other areas. This is entirely consistent with evolution. I don't believe there is such thing as "addiction to pornography" what does that even mean?


sonic1101 5 points 20 days ago* If we are born alone, and die alone why is there a need to belong in between? You were not born into the universe, you were born OUT of it. You belong to it, because you ARE it. You are not IN the universe you ARE the universe. You are not PART of the universe, because the universe does not have parts. All reality is one seamless continuum. This is really the truth. You are actually the WHOLE universe. This is why death is impossible. rishi851 will fall apart but YOU won't. Because you are not rishi851. rishi851 is simply a window that YOU are looking through. I am you too, and you are me. I know all this to be true from long disciplined use of psychedelics. Enjoy your relationship to the universe, it is a relationship you are having with yourself. So... enjoy YOURSELF!

All I can say to that is FAR FREAKIN OUT.

EDIT: Made a few minor edits, added some links.

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Skiriki
Skiriki
3 years ago

4:40 am pizza just told me that it wants to come back to the plate.

CREEZUS.

PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
PeeVee the (Perpetually Ignored, Invisible but Noice) Sarcastic
3 years ago

Truly, the philisophical Sensei mgtows deserve.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

You have to consider the other person

That just says it all about the misogynist mindset, doesn’t it?

And I thought that women evolved to be monogamous while men evolved to spread their seed and that’s why it’s totally not a double standard to call women with multiple partners sluts and men with multiple partners alpha sex gods. I can never keep my SCIENCE straight due to my inferior chick brain.

Noxifer626
Noxifer626
3 years ago

What?
Just what.

Tovius
Tovius
3 years ago

You have to consider your partner during sex. The horror. /s

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

Hes ….. really not thought that last one through, has he.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

They don’t want some strange penis inside them…

But … strange penises are my favourite. Well, after weird penises & bizarre penises, that is.

Also, did anyone else spend several minutes wondering who the fuck rishi851 is?
Just me?

Jeyne Doe
Jeyne Doe
3 years ago

And I thought that women evolved to be monogamous while men evolved to spread their seed and that’s why it’s totally not a double standard to call women with multiple partners sluts and men with multiple partners alpha sex gods. I can never keep my SCIENCE straight due to my inferior chick brain.

I had that same thought. Don’t gender esdentialists usually insist that *true* women are monogamous by nature, while men just can’t help their polygamous instincts?

Austin Loomis
3 years ago

You were not born into the universe, you were born OUT of it.

“Dear Douglas [Adams],
What age will I be when mankind is born out of mother earth? I am now 34. Do you know Kit Williams’s phone number?
Happy Christmas and many of them. I reckon about eight by my digital watch.
Love Muz.”

You are not IN the universe you ARE the universe.”

“YOU ARE GOD PARTICIPATING IN HIMSELF” SAYS NHGH

I know all this to be true from long disciplined use of psychedelics.

Long? I’ll buy that. Disciplined? Not so sure.

DMW
DMW
3 years ago

I sometimes get a twisted kick out of that kinda dude whose problems with women are always seen as biological differences and not social ones. It couldn’t be that women tend to get over breakups faster because we have better social support structures and people shame us less for relying on them, no, it’s because we’re evolutionarily hardwired to be INCAPABLE OF REAL LOVE. (Real love conveniently being whatever the man speaking says it is, of course.)

Because that way, they’re free to wash their hands of any responsibility for causing or contributing to those problems. They never have to put in any effort to change things, or examine any other factors at play. Is a woman involved somehow? Yes? Then it is totally, scientifically, biologically her fault.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
3 years ago

I don’t want whatever it is he’s smoking.

Sniper Kitty, She-Tornado
Sniper Kitty, She-Tornado
3 years ago

I have to admit, that last post was actually kind of cool. I mean, it’s odd don’t get me wrong. But there’s some food for thought in there, unlike everything else.

Mistyful
Mistyful
3 years ago

Okay so, going by his last post, if “I” am just a current window that the cosmic me is looking out of (along with every other person’s window-ness), then in effect, any time I’m having sex with someone, I’m actually masturbating. And considering what the other person likes would just be making it a better experience for total-me, and would open me up more to expanding my sense of self. But nah, maybe that’s too hard of a concept for him.

And saying that women are incapable of loving men in the same way is bullshit, because we’re all the same consciousness, just split up into a bunch of different experiences. And the contempt that he feels for women is just a convolution of the contempt he feels for himself.

I think he needs to do more psychedelics until he gets it right.

Yeah I’ve heard that theory before (described a lot better than he did, too) and it’s kind of awesome, but he’s definitely not thinking it through.

(ETA – I hope this post means you’re feeling better, David)

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
3 years ago

The “women can’t do real love” nonsense is a variation on every bigot’s belief that “THOSE people don’t have real feelings like us.”

During the Vietnam War, and again during both Iraq Wars, some war supporters would excuse civilian casualties by insisting that THOSE people don’t love & value their kids like we do.

Career homophobes like Paul Cameron insist that there is no same-sex love, only sex because THOSE people are incapable.

Misogynist dude just inserted his favorite villain into the formula.

Gregory Lynn
Gregory Lynn
3 years ago

If these jackwagons were half as smart as they think they are, they might accomplish something.

Their absolute confidence in their own intelligence is baffling.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

He really needs to believe that women aren’t enjoying the sex they have with people who aren’t him, doesn’t he?

It couldn’t be that him being such a selfish lover has anything to do why women don’t enjoy sex with him, heavens no! It must be that women don’t like sex at all.

I wonder how he explains away women who enjoy lots of sex with other women?

Sophist
Sophist
3 years ago

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy

They don’t want some strange penis inside them…

But … strange penises are my favourite. Well, after weird penises & bizarre penises, that is.

But don’t you see? I am you and you are me and we are all each other. There are no strange penises, it’s YOUR penis. Which makes it…masturbation, I guess? But wait, if masturbation is objectively, scientifically the best sex, and all sex is masturbation, shouldn’t all sex be equally good? Also, if we’re not really our bodies, but just aspects of the same gestalt entity looking out through them, where does all this biology based gender essentialism come in?

Folks, I’m beginning to suspect sonic1101 doesn’t have a cohesive, internally consistent weltanschauung.

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

So, I am he as you are me and we are all together? Coo-coo-ka-choo!

Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
Tara the Antisocial Social Worker
3 years ago

@Lea

He really needs to believe that women aren’t enjoying the sex they have with people who aren’t him, doesn’t he?

Yup. Funny how that’s a common theme among misogynists.

abars01
abars01
3 years ago

Does anyone else find it a relief when some garden-variety bigot also turns out to be a far-out quack? Like when you’re reading some white-hot, foaming-at-the-mouth, soul-crushing piece of vitriol on Stormfront, only for you to then find that its author also believes in the Hollow Earth? To me, this sort of makes it easier to not take them seriously, to write them off, to say: “Oh, this is just some random, anonymous, harmless nutcase; who cares what he says/thinks.” To me, this sort of confirms that such bigotry is in fact the purview of the lunatic fringe.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

@abars101 – I’ve taken to referring to them as the manodisc instead of the manosphere, since flat earthers are so rampant in the right wing.

authorialAlchemy
authorialAlchemy
3 years ago

tbh, his beliefs about the universe sound a lot like mine, except the “I am you, you are me” crap. We are indeed the universe observing itself. I’ve done shrooms and I don’t know where people get “revelations” from.

These men just don’t know how to fuck and they might be fucking people who also don’t know how to fuck. I recognize this and I’m a virgin asexual.

Dan Kasteray
Dan Kasteray
3 years ago

This guys theory about agriculture sounds like the worst ever episode of the Jettsons. Like so bad Hannah and Barbara bounced his ass out of the studio

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
3 years ago

He does know that Star Trek isn’t a documentary that fell through time, right? Replicators seem like an awesome idea but I’ve got some bad news for him…

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

To me, this sort of makes it easier to not take them seriously, to write them off, to say: “Oh, this is just some random, anonymous, harmless nutcase; who cares what he says/thinks.” To me, this sort of confirms that such bigotry is in fact the purview of the lunatic fringe.

Comments policy.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

I believe I am allowed to call him a bigoted foolish egotist though. He’s definitely very unpleasant and sure of himself. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a secretly a sophist.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 years ago

I like how he think that pee need to be “reassembled” to become water. Do he truly think people pee pure ammoniac ?

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

If each of us is a window, sonic1101 is dirty and cracked.

Also, that bit about “save the Facebook pictures of the women you know”: of course it’s Facebook, because none of the women he knows would send him a picture, or let him take one. I suspect every woman he knows has mentally assigned him to the “avoid this creep” pigeonhole.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

He’s obviously from that school of non-thought which maintains that science is like a kind of magic and if you just have enough science you will be able to do anything.

peak182
peak182
3 years ago

Theres nothing wrong with being a virgin or masterbating , or believing that you can be happy alone

But to say “women dont like sex” or “Incapable of love” is absolute bullshit. I just dont understand how they can hate women so much. We all have sisters/cousins/mothers dont we?

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
3 years ago

@Tara:

During the Vietnam War, and again during both Iraq Wars, some war supporters would excuse civilian casualties by insisting that THOSE people don’t love & value their kids like we do.

Are there even any mammals that don’t, let alone humans? Sure, there’s a bunch of invertebrates and fish, and maybe some reptiles that engage in fire-and-forget parenting, but I thought all, or nearly all mammals, and most birds and some other critters, invested a great deal of care in their offspring, and that the mammals at least have very similarly wired limbic systems to us, so probably have the same subjective experience of that caring as us.

Kootiepatra
3 years ago

Sounds from the last post that he played (or watched a Let’s Play) of the game “Everything”, and decided that means he’s pretty much got this whole philosophy thing in the bag now.

Mycroft
Mycroft
3 years ago

Hey, at least, as he seem to prefer masturbation to sex (and let’s be honnest, he’s right about the fact that sex is harder than masturbation and not always more pleasant), he is really “going his own way” and leaving women alone.

After all, it would be better if the people that read those kind of reddit post stop dating women. So, if he manage to convince them to masturbate and leave women alone, it’s for the best, no ? Those guys are beyond redemption, after all.

misophistry
misophistry
3 years ago

Fine by me if he wants to masturbate and leave women alone. But if he will post about his delusions on a public forum then we will ridicule and censure him (not censor, censure).

It’s not the wanking and GTOW we object to it’s the pseudoscience and bigotry.

Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

Hey, at least, as he seem to prefer masturbation to sex (and let’s be honnest, he’s right about the fact that sex is harder than masturbation and not always more pleasant), he is really “going his own way” and leaving women alone.

Obsessively sharting out so many identikit hate-rants that it might as well be his full-time job is the literal opposite of going his own way. Which is kinda the point.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

I would rather eat lint without ketchup than have sex with a MGTOW. Doesn’t mean I like lint. I do have standards when it comes to sexual partners, so I’m going to stick to sexing up Mr. Parasol.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

And saying that women are incapable of loving men in the same way is bullshit, because we’re all the same consciousness, just split up into a bunch of different experiences.

No no, you don’t get it, only men can have this experience of cosmic oneness. Women are not part of the universal whole. Isn’t that obvious?

I also really enjoyed this one:

NEWSFLASH Women generally don’t like sex that much. https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/6zxk79/women_dont_like_sex_very_much/

NEWSFLASH referencing the same Excel cell in which your formula is being written is an automatic error.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

Also, I skimmed over that link and it was just someone Spocking his way into this conclusion. There is conveniently an actual study showing how much various demographics enjoy sex. Maybe I’ll look it up after work, but the upshot was that people who have sex with men enjoy sex less than people who have sex with women. Surprise! It turns out that slam-bam-thank-you-ma’am is not very satisfying!

Weird (tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

re: “disciplined use of psychedelics”… hallucinogenic revelations are still hallucinations

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
3 years ago

All that “disciplined” use of psychedelics, and it hasn’t raised his self-awareness one iota. MGTOWs are forever circle-jerking about how women all secretly crave (deserve) cervical jackhammering and anal, because that’s what their porn tells them. Then, on the rare occasions they do get the opportunity to try out these techniques on women, they complain about starfish sex. But it’s not because their ideas about sexual pleasure are warped and selfish. It’s because women just “biologically” hate sex.

See also: “women are degenerate, repulsive, horrible, disgusting monsters. ONLY MEN ARE CAPABLE OF LOVE”. If that’s love, what does hate look like?

I don’t know about reassembling feces into cheeseburgers, but MGTOWs have certainly figured out how to reassemble them into Deep Philosophical Thought pieces without violating any laws of thermodynamics.

Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
Mish of the Catlady Ascendancy
3 years ago

@Sophist

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PreuxFox
PreuxFox
3 years ago

Only 30 years until we get sex robots that can spontaneously morph to mimic any human being? Wow, what times we live in. (Why does he want to have sex with the T-1000?)

bluecat
bluecat
3 years ago

Next T-shirt slogan:

“Long Disciplined Use of Psychedelics Taught Me All The Science I Need.”

Diego Duarte
Diego Duarte
3 years ago

It’s almost surprising how easily any bizarre idea about women is immediately taken up as gospel by the MGTOW.

It makes me wonder if there’s any chance of using this in our favor to lead these lemmings of the proverbial cliff…

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

@ bluecat

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Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

@ Alan

Now there’s a tale from the darkside–I mean, the darkplace.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

Tell me again how MGTOWs and incels are totally different and not at all exactly the f’n same again? Like, I thought this was another incel thing.

Ugh. Snark overdose. Too much dumb stuff at work this week. Or just too much dumb stuff in the environs, I dunno. Hermit Mode Activate!

Kimstu
Kimstu
3 years ago

@DMW: It couldn’t be that women tend to get over breakups faster because we have better social support structures and people shame us less for relying on them

That, and also, I suspect that sonic1101 is extrapolating from his own experience that women find it easy to get over breaking up with him in particular. (Can’t imagine why.)

@BQS: I’ve taken to referring to them as the manodisc instead of the manosphere, since flat earthers are so rampant in the right wing.

Talk about “the confidence of a mediocre white man”. Is it imaginable that members of any other demographic could get any of their opinions taken seriously by anybody when they literally believe that the earth is flat?

JessicaRed
JessicaRed
3 years ago

“And the contempt that he feels for women is just a convolution of the contempt he feels for himself.”

I literally said aloud: BINGO!

“I am you and we are one and the universe is us… and women are trash.” Is the stupidest ‘philosophy’ I’ve ever heard. Pity, because he’s so very nearly on to something there.

On second thought, not pity. I have no pity for these hateful fuckweasels.

SpukiKitty
SpukiKitty
3 years ago

Dr. Victor Frankenstein was more a “Man of Science” than these guys!