
By David Futrelle
Another day, another batch of atrocities and embarrassments, from Donald Trump challenging his secretary of state to a public IQ-test bakeoff to the release of a vomit-inducing tape of Harvey Weinstein demonstrating his, er, pickup technique.
Let’s start with that one, huh, because it’s somehow even worse than it sounds — so much so that you may want to think twice before listening to it.
Weinstein, in conversation with Gutierrez, admits to groping her. Here’s the audio: https://t.co/zSQbK5NV0c pic.twitter.com/vmrrSUp43w
— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) October 10, 2017
You can’t help but wonder how many dozens if not hundreds of times Weinstein has had similar, er, conversations with young, vulnerable women.
In other Harvey Weinstein news:
NYT: Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie say Harvey Weinstein sexually harassed them when they were young actresses. https://t.co/1n7FgrNmoW
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 10, 2017
https://twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/917526296925683713
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/917805989511913472
In non-Harvey Weinstein News That is Not Actually From The Onion, No Really, This is the World We Live in Today:
NEW: Trump proposes ‘IQ tests’ face-off with Tillerson after secretary of state calls him a ‘moron.’ https://t.co/kuCOSALDUl
— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) October 10, 2017
How long before Trump tweets a screengrab of an online IQ test.
— Jemaine Clement (@AJemaineClement) October 10, 2017
I challenge Donald Trump to a public Buzzfeed "Tell Us Your Food Preferences And We'll Reveal Which Instagram Cat You Are" quiz showdown.
— David Futrelle (@DavidFutrelle) October 10, 2017
Still have not heard back from the White House on this one.
More news from the alternate reality we’re now stuck in: Melania Trump is feuding with Ivana Trump (yes, Ivana, not Ivanka) over who is the true First Lady.
https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/917450380044390400
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Henry Kissinger is definitely alive and absolutely not being Weekend at Bernie’s-ed pic.twitter.com/xdYNUlrwdC
— Ashley Feinberg (ashleyfeinberg.bsky.social) (@ashleyfeinberg) October 10, 2017
https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/917583613918695424
https://twitter.com/morninggloria/status/917808982819033088
https://twitter.com/lyssfame/status/917127717820153856
Now, cats:
— ねこばす (@neko_bus2010) October 9, 2017
https://twitter.com/MeetAnimals/status/917260879430811648
Ok, some dogs too:
https://twitter.com/dognkitty/status/917382725610332160
https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/917244228836691969
Ok, bye.
It is nice of people like Trump to work so hard to dispel the myth that having a high IQ means that you are in any way actually intelligent. Ben Carson has also worked hard to remove the stereotype of brain surgeons being particularly intelligent, too.
And Sassy Rick? I thought that sort of joke had played out years ago. Sadly not.
http://78.media.tumblr.com/8c19757a837583e208b57834c128a5e8/tumblr_ndhsblgQuI1qixd45o8_400.gif
SFHC:
The handle – a common first name followed by seven digits – looks rather botty to me.
Interesting that Trump immediately went for the IQ test option, a dumb person’s idea of what smart people care about. Most people, when their intelligence is questioned, would prefer to be judged on more substantial achievements, but perhaps he’s aware that his track record is not that impressive.
It’s hard to imagine Trump doing well in an IQ test, though. Whatever you think of their value, I think we can all agree that they require you to focus. Unless someone devised a tailored test which mentioned Trump in every question, he would lose concentration before question four.
All I want to say about Weinstein is: why the fuck weren’t men in the industry speaking out before now? Some of them must have known, and some of those would have been secure enough in their careers, or simply brave and principled enough, that they could go public. It’s going to be harder to enjoy movies after this: when I see the leading man on screen, part of me will be wondering “what heinous shit have you helped cover up?”
Also, Alison Moyet remains awesome.
I know, but it’s still amazing.
So that thing that I was afraid of that I talked about before happened: my niece messaged me about coming to live with me. Fortunately she didn’t call so I didn’t have to control my voice or anything. She laid out the reasons why this would be a great move for her very methodically, but notably there was no mention of what’s in it for me. No mention of paying rent, or splitting bills, or anything to suggest that she would contribute to the household, or that I would be making this huge sacrifice as anything but a favor out of the goodness of my heart.
I told her as gently as I could that I’m not looking for a roommate, and she went silent on me.
Then late last night my sister called and I didn’t pick up, so she yelled at my voicemail for who knows how long. I didn’t listen to the whole thing. I am over her, and she knows it, so this is just impotent rage. She talked about how selfish I am and how I’m not taking responsibility for my niece (in what way my niece is my responsibility went unsaid?) and then I deleted the voicemail.
Thanks everyone for reminding me of the power of No. I hope I haven’t hurt my relationship with my niece but I can’t control her reaction to this. There was no way in hell I was agreeing to it.
@PoM – missed where you were discussing it before, but …
Nicely done. Respect to you, Internet hug if you want it.
I recommend reading this thread of comments. CW sexual harassment.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1421426697976317&id=845933925525600
Hilarious! Or awful. I can’t quite tell.
You did the right thing, PoM. Stay strong.
I hope that responsibility for nieces isn’t a thing, because at last count I had six of them (plus two nephews).
How intensely emotional their Skylar hate was was an interesting window into people. She wasn’t a fun or interesting character just a foil to Walter. Kind of a proxy for how much they were identifying with Walter I guess.
There’s a film called ‘Scarlet Diva’ that Asia Argento did when she was 23. She wrote, directed and appeared in the lead role, and one of the other people in the film was Joe Coleman, the painter (look him up if you don’t know), who plays a sleazy film director. Joe’s character does the exact same thing that multiple accounts have verified Harvey Weinstein as doing – he asks Asia’s character, an actress, to his room, suggests she give him a massage and ends up chasing her around the room and even down a corridor stark bollock naked.
Turns out this comment was somewhat superfluous. While I was typing this comment I did a search on “Asia Argento Harvey Weinstein” and it’s in the news today. Unfortunately, it went much further than the scene suggests. She was raped and yes, the character was based on Weinstein. Later, she told Weinstein this, and apparently he just laughed.
I wanted to find the scene on YouTube yesterday but couldn’t. However she’s put it on her Twitter today. This is the link to her Twitter.
https://twitter.com/AsiaArgento
From Jezebel, urging victims of other powerful predators to come forward
Therapy? Seriously?
It’s not like he woke up one morning with his head in a bucket of cocaine, or a pickled liver and realized he had a problem.
He hurt people and enjoyed it. If it wasn’t for someone exposing him for the rapist he is, he’d still be doing it.
I’m glad his wife is leaving him, and I hope he ends up reduced to flipping burgers to make ends meet. Hopefully he’ll get a very sharp taste of the legal system! Sorry..I think I got carried away there, I think we all know he’ll get a slap on the wrist (if this goes to court and if he’s even found guilty at all) and a quiet ‘attaboy’ from the judge.
Therapy my ass, what he needs is a huge dose of consequences.
@PoM – well done. I missed your original discussion of that but it’s obvious you had to set some boundaries, I’m very glad you were able to. You have to look out for yourself, too, and it sounds to me like you’re the one being a clear grown-up in the situation.
You will probably have to hammer this “No” home again a few more times, people who use others don’t usually give up right away. I’m sure you will find the strength to reiterate your position if you have to.
@Moggie
I did read that Brad Pitt confronted HW about his harassment of Gwenith Paltrow. This was more than 20 years ago, when Pitt and Paltrow were an item. Pitt also did it publicly, at a party I think I read.
This begging for therapy disgusts me. If I remember correctly, Anthony Weiner asked for therapy too, the first time he got caught, in 2011. Don’t know if he ever got it, but it must not have done much good?
I remember being around 12 years old, and seeing a TV program about wife batterers. There was a scene of a support group for these guys. I know support groups aren’t the same as therapy with a mental health professional, but I remember feeling resentful…I was too young to know how to articulate it, though.
A support group. For domestic abusers.
‘Hi, my name is Mark and I only beat the shit out of my wife seven times this week instead of 14…go me!’
‘Well done Mark!’
*puke*
Support groups are good for some things, I really don’t think that’s one of them.
@dreemr
I gotta admit, I’m forming a list of adult-oriented cartoons I need to watch. I’ve watched Archer, which has a good flow and some fun running jokes, Bob’s Burgers which is kinda hit and miss for me and I’ve seen an episode or two of Venture Brothers, but I haven’t seen either Bojack Horseman or Rick & Morty so I’ve got some Netflixing to do.
One reason I think I avoid them is being burned by too many punishingly unfunny Flash-animated cartoons from the mid 2000s when I was in university watching Teletoon after 8PM. Futurama was always great, but then there was a string of just painful Adult Swim shows (looking your way 12 ounce Mouse) and bizarre Can-Con that clearly Teletoon was obligated to show (*cough*Bromwell High*cough*) and that was the best they could come up with. Spent a lot of nights with that crap on in the background hoping it would make me laugh.
@WWTH
You’re right about adult cartoon antics wearing thin. Probably the last one I watch that I instantly regretted was Moonbeam City, that one that looks like it was illustrated in the style of Patrick Nagel. It was enough to get me to watch, but hoooooly crap, it was trying waaaayyyy too hard to be Archer and just grasping at pop-culture straws so haphazardly that it got more eye-rolls from me than anything else.
Re: Harvey Weinstein
Man, watched the Majority Report YouTube this morning and they played that New Yorker audio of Harvey creepily pleading with a woman he just groped to get in the shower and stop “embarrassing” him in the hallway of the hotel people know him at. It’s both skin-crawlingly creepy and just incredibly pathetic to listen to him almost having a panic attack as he’s trying to manipulate this woman into doing things she says repeatedly she’s not comfortable doing.
Either this guy needs to be put away or if he can’t be, at the very least his name has to be mud not just in Hollywood but anywhere he goes.
@ Jesalin
Therapy my ass, what he needs is a huge dose of consequences.
I’d settle for his house being seeded with transparent lego – just for the therapy comment alone.
Yeah, some bullshit apology for getting caught doesn’t cut it, and therapy doesn’t take the place of either punishment or attonement.
I think you did the right thing too, PoM. It’s a big deal to have someone come and live in your home, and it doesn’t sound like there was much (if any!) notion on the other side that a) this is a pretty huge imposition and b) when you go and live in someone else’s home … you should probably at least think about how you can make an effort to fit in and help out.
I actually had one of my nephews come and live here several nights a week for a year (in a matchbox where there’s no guest room and almost no free floor space, so it was physically quite a disruption) and we all enjoyed it – but that was because it was entirely voluntary and he was (as we knew) very laid-back and all about the fitting-in-and-helping-out. Your sister is quite wrong to try and claim you’re somehow obliged, and you are quite right to decide not to be made miserable in your own home for an indefinite length of time. Helping out family is great when you can and want to, but not at the cost of your own homelife (and probably without so much as a thank-you, since they seem to feel it’s your obligation).
@Gussie Jives
I wouldn’t consider myself any sort of connoisseur of adult cartoon shows, but I’ve always loved animation and good stories. I’m a big fan of Archer, too.
Worth checking out:
Castlevania
Avatar the Last Air Bender
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (anime)
Rick & Morty
Venture Bros.
Ronya the Robber’s Daughter
Frisky Dingo
Harvey Birdman
Like I said, I’m not connoisseur, and those are just series that I’ve really enjoyed, enough to watch more than once. I tend to favor good animation over sloppy animation, no matter how good the writing/voice acting. For a while there in the 2000s-early 2010s it was the style to just be gross which is really not my thing (Superjail was one like that, or Flapjack).
YMMV of course. I’ve liked South Park back in the early 00s, haven’t seen it in ages now. And I have always hated “Family Guy” and “The Cleveland Show” and boring terribly animated stuff like that (boring and terribly animated TO ME). And you’ve probably noticed that those aren’t all “adult-oriented” but to me a good story is a good story.
@Moggie
The more that comes out about Weinstein, the more I think of the stories surrounding adult actor James Deen and his abusiveness towards his girlfriends and co-stars. AFAIK, he’s still working (which kinda tells you all you need to know about how misogynistic mainstream porn is), but that whole thing introduced me to the term “broken stair.” You’re told about it, you watch out for it, you step over it so many times it just becomes second nature and you don’t give it much thought, but eventually somebody who doesn’t know about it steps right into it. James Deen was porn’s broken stair, and it strikes me that Harvey Weinstein is one of many Hollywood broken stairs; stepping over it just becomes a habit to the point it’s just accepted. “Oh yeah, Weinstein’s over there is pretty handsy… I’d steer clear of him if you can.”
Speculation to be sure, but it’s the best I got for why men with clout didn’t take this to the press. I could be wrong.
This^
Apropos of not much, I was blocked by my state Congressman on Twitter the other day.
I guess he got tired of me ridiculing every self-serving, grandstanding, deceitful tweet he sent out, particularly about “tax reform”.
So far my Republican Senator and “Republican” (actually undercover Libertarian) Governor, who get all the same tweets from me, have ignored me.
Oh yeah, he’s a Drumpf Troo Believer.
http://i65.tinypic.com/29wqpgm.jpg
Good for you, POM!