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Harvey Weinstein, Smooth Talker: Today in Tweets

Huge creep

By David Futrelle

Another day, another batch of atrocities and embarrassments, from Donald Trump challenging his secretary of state to a public IQ-test bakeoff to the release of a vomit-inducing tape of Harvey Weinstein demonstrating his, er, pickup technique.

Let’s start with that one, huh, because it’s somehow even worse than it sounds — so much so that you may want to think twice before listening to it.

You can’t help but wonder how many dozens if not hundreds of times Weinstein has had similar, er, conversations with young, vulnerable women.

In other Harvey Weinstein news:

In non-Harvey Weinstein News That is Not Actually From The Onion, No Really, This is the World We Live in Today:

Still have not heard back from the White House on this one.

More news from the alternate reality we’re now stuck in: Melania Trump is feuding with Ivana Trump (yes, Ivana, not Ivanka) over who is the true First Lady.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/917450380044390400

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https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/917583613918695424

https://twitter.com/lyssfame/status/917127717820153856

Now, cats:

https://twitter.com/MeetAnimals/status/917260879430811648

Ok, some dogs too:

https://twitter.com/awwcuteness/status/917244228836691969

Ok, bye.

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Pie
Pie
3 years ago

It is nice of people like Trump to work so hard to dispel the myth that having a high IQ means that you are in any way actually intelligent. Ben Carson has also worked hard to remove the stereotype of brain surgeons being particularly intelligent, too.

And Sassy Rick? I thought that sort of joke had played out years ago. Sadly not.

http://78.media.tumblr.com/8c19757a837583e208b57834c128a5e8/tumblr_ndhsblgQuI1qixd45o8_400.gif

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

SFHC:

Unrelated hilarity: This is it. I’ve finally found it. The dumbest tweet – nay, the dumbest thing – ever posted on the Internet.

The handle – a common first name followed by seven digits – looks rather botty to me.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

Interesting that Trump immediately went for the IQ test option, a dumb person’s idea of what smart people care about. Most people, when their intelligence is questioned, would prefer to be judged on more substantial achievements, but perhaps he’s aware that his track record is not that impressive.

It’s hard to imagine Trump doing well in an IQ test, though. Whatever you think of their value, I think we can all agree that they require you to focus. Unless someone devised a tailored test which mentioned Trump in every question, he would lose concentration before question four.

All I want to say about Weinstein is: why the fuck weren’t men in the industry speaking out before now? Some of them must have known, and some of those would have been secure enough in their careers, or simply brave and principled enough, that they could go public. It’s going to be harder to enjoy movies after this: when I see the leading man on screen, part of me will be wondering “what heinous shit have you helped cover up?”

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
Scented Fucking Hard Chairs
3 years ago

The handle – a common first name followed by seven digits – looks rather botty to me.

I know, but it’s still amazing.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

So that thing that I was afraid of that I talked about before happened: my niece messaged me about coming to live with me. Fortunately she didn’t call so I didn’t have to control my voice or anything. She laid out the reasons why this would be a great move for her very methodically, but notably there was no mention of what’s in it for me. No mention of paying rent, or splitting bills, or anything to suggest that she would contribute to the household, or that I would be making this huge sacrifice as anything but a favor out of the goodness of my heart.

I told her as gently as I could that I’m not looking for a roommate, and she went silent on me.

Then late last night my sister called and I didn’t pick up, so she yelled at my voicemail for who knows how long. I didn’t listen to the whole thing. I am over her, and she knows it, so this is just impotent rage. She talked about how selfish I am and how I’m not taking responsibility for my niece (in what way my niece is my responsibility went unsaid?) and then I deleted the voicemail.

Thanks everyone for reminding me of the power of No. I hope I haven’t hurt my relationship with my niece but I can’t control her reaction to this. There was no way in hell I was agreeing to it.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

@PoM – missed where you were discussing it before, but …

Nicely done. Respect to you, Internet hug if you want it.

numerobis
numerobis
3 years ago

I recommend reading this thread of comments. CW sexual harassment.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1421426697976317&id=845933925525600

Hilarious! Or awful. I can’t quite tell.

Moggie
Moggie
3 years ago

You did the right thing, PoM. Stay strong.

I hope that responsibility for nieces isn’t a thing, because at last count I had six of them (plus two nephews).

JoeB
JoeB
3 years ago

How intensely emotional their Skylar hate was was an interesting window into people. She wasn’t a fun or interesting character just a foil to Walter. Kind of a proxy for how much they were identifying with Walter I guess.

Citizen Justin
3 years ago

There’s a film called ‘Scarlet Diva’ that Asia Argento did when she was 23. She wrote, directed and appeared in the lead role, and one of the other people in the film was Joe Coleman, the painter (look him up if you don’t know), who plays a sleazy film director. Joe’s character does the exact same thing that multiple accounts have verified Harvey Weinstein as doing – he asks Asia’s character, an actress, to his room, suggests she give him a massage and ends up chasing her around the room and even down a corridor stark bollock naked.

Turns out this comment was somewhat superfluous. While I was typing this comment I did a search on “Asia Argento Harvey Weinstein” and it’s in the news today. Unfortunately, it went much further than the scene suggests. She was raped and yes, the character was based on Weinstein. Later, she told Weinstein this, and apparently he just laughed.

Citizen Justin
3 years ago

I wanted to find the scene on YouTube yesterday but couldn’t. However she’s put it on her Twitter today. This is the link to her Twitter.

https://twitter.com/AsiaArgento

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

From Jezebel, urging victims of other powerful predators to come forward

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

Therapy? Seriously?

It’s not like he woke up one morning with his head in a bucket of cocaine, or a pickled liver and realized he had a problem.

He hurt people and enjoyed it. If it wasn’t for someone exposing him for the rapist he is, he’d still be doing it.

I’m glad his wife is leaving him, and I hope he ends up reduced to flipping burgers to make ends meet. Hopefully he’ll get a very sharp taste of the legal system! Sorry..I think I got carried away there, I think we all know he’ll get a slap on the wrist (if this goes to court and if he’s even found guilty at all) and a quiet ‘attaboy’ from the judge.

Therapy my ass, what he needs is a huge dose of consequences.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@PoM – well done. I missed your original discussion of that but it’s obvious you had to set some boundaries, I’m very glad you were able to. You have to look out for yourself, too, and it sounds to me like you’re the one being a clear grown-up in the situation.

You will probably have to hammer this “No” home again a few more times, people who use others don’t usually give up right away. I’m sure you will find the strength to reiterate your position if you have to.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
3 years ago

@Moggie

I did read that Brad Pitt confronted HW about his harassment of Gwenith Paltrow. This was more than 20 years ago, when Pitt and Paltrow were an item. Pitt also did it publicly, at a party I think I read.

This begging for therapy disgusts me. If I remember correctly, Anthony Weiner asked for therapy too, the first time he got caught, in 2011. Don’t know if he ever got it, but it must not have done much good😐

I remember being around 12 years old, and seeing a TV program about wife batterers. There was a scene of a support group for these guys. I know support groups aren’t the same as therapy with a mental health professional, but I remember feeling resentful…I was too young to know how to articulate it, though.

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

A support group. For domestic abusers.

‘Hi, my name is Mark and I only beat the shit out of my wife seven times this week instead of 14…go me!’

‘Well done Mark!’

*puke*

Support groups are good for some things, I really don’t think that’s one of them.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@dreemr

I gotta admit, I’m forming a list of adult-oriented cartoons I need to watch. I’ve watched Archer, which has a good flow and some fun running jokes, Bob’s Burgers which is kinda hit and miss for me and I’ve seen an episode or two of Venture Brothers, but I haven’t seen either Bojack Horseman or Rick & Morty so I’ve got some Netflixing to do.

One reason I think I avoid them is being burned by too many punishingly unfunny Flash-animated cartoons from the mid 2000s when I was in university watching Teletoon after 8PM. Futurama was always great, but then there was a string of just painful Adult Swim shows (looking your way 12 ounce Mouse) and bizarre Can-Con that clearly Teletoon was obligated to show (*cough*Bromwell High*cough*) and that was the best they could come up with. Spent a lot of nights with that crap on in the background hoping it would make me laugh.

@WWTH

You’re right about adult cartoon antics wearing thin. Probably the last one I watch that I instantly regretted was Moonbeam City, that one that looks like it was illustrated in the style of Patrick Nagel. It was enough to get me to watch, but hoooooly crap, it was trying waaaayyyy too hard to be Archer and just grasping at pop-culture straws so haphazardly that it got more eye-rolls from me than anything else.

Re: Harvey Weinstein

Man, watched the Majority Report YouTube this morning and they played that New Yorker audio of Harvey creepily pleading with a woman he just groped to get in the shower and stop “embarrassing” him in the hallway of the hotel people know him at. It’s both skin-crawlingly creepy and just incredibly pathetic to listen to him almost having a panic attack as he’s trying to manipulate this woman into doing things she says repeatedly she’s not comfortable doing.

Either this guy needs to be put away or if he can’t be, at the very least his name has to be mud not just in Hollywood but anywhere he goes.

Shadowplay
Shadowplay
3 years ago

@ Jesalin

Therapy my ass, what he needs is a huge dose of consequences.

I’d settle for his house being seeded with transparent lego – just for the therapy comment alone.

Yeah, some bullshit apology for getting caught doesn’t cut it, and therapy doesn’t take the place of either punishment or attonement.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
3 years ago

I think you did the right thing too, PoM. It’s a big deal to have someone come and live in your home, and it doesn’t sound like there was much (if any!) notion on the other side that a) this is a pretty huge imposition and b) when you go and live in someone else’s home … you should probably at least think about how you can make an effort to fit in and help out.

I actually had one of my nephews come and live here several nights a week for a year (in a matchbox where there’s no guest room and almost no free floor space, so it was physically quite a disruption) and we all enjoyed it – but that was because it was entirely voluntary and he was (as we knew) very laid-back and all about the fitting-in-and-helping-out. Your sister is quite wrong to try and claim you’re somehow obliged, and you are quite right to decide not to be made miserable in your own home for an indefinite length of time. Helping out family is great when you can and want to, but not at the cost of your own homelife (and probably without so much as a thank-you, since they seem to feel it’s your obligation).

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives

I wouldn’t consider myself any sort of connoisseur of adult cartoon shows, but I’ve always loved animation and good stories. I’m a big fan of Archer, too.

Worth checking out:
Castlevania
Avatar the Last Air Bender
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (anime)
Rick & Morty
Venture Bros.
Ronya the Robber’s Daughter
Frisky Dingo
Harvey Birdman

Like I said, I’m not connoisseur, and those are just series that I’ve really enjoyed, enough to watch more than once. I tend to favor good animation over sloppy animation, no matter how good the writing/voice acting. For a while there in the 2000s-early 2010s it was the style to just be gross which is really not my thing (Superjail was one like that, or Flapjack).

YMMV of course. I’ve liked South Park back in the early 00s, haven’t seen it in ages now. And I have always hated “Family Guy” and “The Cleveland Show” and boring terribly animated stuff like that (boring and terribly animated TO ME). And you’ve probably noticed that those aren’t all “adult-oriented” but to me a good story is a good story.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Moggie

All I want to say about Weinstein is: why the fuck weren’t men in the industry speaking out before now?

The more that comes out about Weinstein, the more I think of the stories surrounding adult actor James Deen and his abusiveness towards his girlfriends and co-stars. AFAIK, he’s still working (which kinda tells you all you need to know about how misogynistic mainstream porn is), but that whole thing introduced me to the term “broken stair.” You’re told about it, you watch out for it, you step over it so many times it just becomes second nature and you don’t give it much thought, but eventually somebody who doesn’t know about it steps right into it. James Deen was porn’s broken stair, and it strikes me that Harvey Weinstein is one of many Hollywood broken stairs; stepping over it just becomes a habit to the point it’s just accepted. “Oh yeah, Weinstein’s over there is pretty handsy… I’d steer clear of him if you can.”

Speculation to be sure, but it’s the best I got for why men with clout didn’t take this to the press. I could be wrong.

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

I think you did the right thing too, PoM. It’s a big deal to have someone come and live in your home, and it doesn’t sound like there was much (if any!) notion on the other side that a) this is a pretty huge imposition and b) when you go and live in someone else’s home … you should probably at least think about how you can make an effort to fit in and help out.

This^

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

Apropos of not much, I was blocked by my state Congressman on Twitter the other day.

I guess he got tired of me ridiculing every self-serving, grandstanding, deceitful tweet he sent out, particularly about “tax reform”.

So far my Republican Senator and “Republican” (actually undercover Libertarian) Governor, who get all the same tweets from me, have ignored me.

Oh yeah, he’s a Drumpf Troo Believer.

http://i65.tinypic.com/29wqpgm.jpg

Lea
Lea
3 years ago

Good for you, POM!

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@dreemr

Frisky Dingo easily had some of the best awkward silence moments in animation. Adam Reed’s penchant for timing translated well into Archer (the ringtone gags in both shows still slay me!) XP

South Park was funny for its absurdity when I was 12, but it got tiresome very fast for me. Same thing with Family Guy when I was 14. There’s the occasional funny clip I see here and there (like when Stewie was traumatized by Queen’s News of the World album cover–that exact thing happened to me when I was a kid), but I couldn’t sit down and watch a whole episode these days.

I’ll add those to my list! Thanks for the recommendations! 🙂

Jesalin
Jesalin
3 years ago

@Gussie

Speculation to be sure, but it’s the best I got for why men with clout didn’t take this to the press. I could be wrong.

Personally my speculation is, they just didn’t give a shit.

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@David, did you use a “Steve Bannon” filter on that post header? Shudder.

Scildfreja Unnyðnes
Scildfreja Unnyðnes
3 years ago

@POM <3

Such a tough thing for you to do. I hope they will understand why they shouldn't treat you so thoughtlessly, but that's really out of your control. You did what's right, I think. I hope you feel better for all of it!

mildlymagnificent
mildlymagnificent
3 years ago

It’s hard to imagine Trump doing well in an IQ test, though.

I’m more inclined to wonder how well he’d do in an ordinary quiz night at the local pub. The number of times he’s said Nobody knew that [healthcare][finance][disaster recovery][any other aspect of government] was so complicated, thereby informing the world of what he himself never knew, tells me that he’s grossly ignorant of common general knowledge.

Jesalin

Personally my speculation is, they just didn’t give a shit.

I expect workplace harassment is a lot like street harassment. Most blokes need to _see_ what happens to their sister or girlfriend walking down the street when he’s not actually, obviously, right there beside her before they fully get the message. I noticed that Colin Firth said that he found HW to be a horrible bully, but he’d never imagined how that bullying behaviour might be different with women.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
3 years ago

Good for you, PoM! I’m so glad you defended your boundaries.

IgnoreSandra
3 years ago

@POM

I’m so happy for you standing up for yourself and your space.

On Harvey Weinstein and sexual assault: I personally agree with Jesalin’s perspective on this. Weinstein wasn’t reported before by men because men don’t give a shit about women’s suffering.

My working assumption is that every cis man has helped cover up abuse of women at some point, so I’m not totally surprised. It’s just so fucking prevalent, and it’s the best explanation I have for why this shit hasn’t been put to a stop yet – men, as a general class, are fighting to perpetuate this situation by pretending it’s not an issue.

I have no faith it will be taken seriously, because frankly American news has stopped talking about the Vegas mass shooting, and we’re not having a conversation about gun control and its intersections with racism. We’re also not talking about everything else that’s gone to hell recently. Puerto Rico, florida, houston, California, the war on women, the racist travel ban… Every day, I become more convinced that there’s no path to justice within the American system.

On Nazis: A few days ago, the Nazis returned to Charlottesville. They didn’t have a long term plan or a permit, 36 of them just showed up with torches and occupied a public park. They were literally escorted to and from by city cops.

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

Personally my speculation is, they just didn’t give a shit.

As I mull it over, yeah, I have to agree.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
3 years ago

Henry Kissinger is definitely alive and absolutely not being Weekend at Bernie’s-ed

“For so long, I thought I would get off scot-free for all those dead Cambodians.”

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 years ago

For those wondering, here is where I talked about the niece sitch before:

https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2017/09/29/im-still-here-thanks-for-your-support-and-your-patience/comment-page-1/#comment-1718195

tl;dr: I’d heard through the family grapevine that my sister wanted my niece to come live with me, and not only do I not want a roommate, I explicitly do not want my niece as a roommate. I was getting panicky about it but should have just chilled.

They didn’t have a long term plan or a permit, 36 of them just showed up with torches and occupied a public park. They were literally escorted to and from by city cops.

For all the big show of “OMG NO MORE NAZIS” performed by the Charlottesville politicians, I am shockingly not shocked by this.

I expect workplace harassment is a lot like street harassment. Most blokes need to _see_ what happens to their sister or girlfriend walking down the street when he’s not actually, obviously, right there beside her before they fully get the message.

I think you’re more right than you know, because men need to see it happen to THEIR sister or THEIR girlfriend before they give a rat’s ass. Harassment happening to a random woman who doesn’t belong to them? Not their problem! Nothing to see here, boys will be boys!

I noticed that Colin Firth said that he found HW to be a horrible bully, but he’d never imagined how that bullying behaviour might be different with women.

Nor did he care enough to think about it, because it wasn’t a woman who belonged to him in danger.

Sylvia Daniella Foxglove
Sylvia Daniella Foxglove
3 years ago

I do love Rick and Morty…. Mostly because I am a huge fan of Dan Harmon. Who is Rick. Dan Harmon is a diagnosed sociopath. He knows it’s his biggest problem, that it affects every relationship he has, so he brings that out in Rick. For others who are a fan of Dan Harmon and want.to understand him better, there is a documentary of when he took his D&D podcast on the road, that is equal parts hilarious and heartbreaking. Rick and M orty is just smarter than most TV, which is geared mostly for Lowest Common Denominator, that’s how TV works, with the occasionally truly brilliant show. Though we did get a Rennasaince from Netflix,Hulu, and Amazon… Though that’s calming down a bit, sadly. As for Harvey… I always knew he was a monster, so it didn’t surprise me he was a molester as well. He always seemed the type, and i hope he gets the justice he deserves.

Dimmy
Dimmy
3 years ago

I would also like to congratulate PoM and offer nyooms.

http://i.imgur.com/eq4EXB3.jpg

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
3 years ago

Re: Adult animation – How is Clone High not on that list?? I know it was only really popular in Canada, but everyone is missing out. Fair warning, it is only one season.

WILL THAT EMBED WHO KNOWS. It is the intro.

I also really liked Undergrads, also one season:

Okay, this isn’t really ‘adult’, but I loved it. Also one season…??

Cybersix! If you watched it on FOX, you watched the shitty version, where they cut out all the slower parts. Give it another try! An English Canada/Japan coproduction of a comic from Argentina that was translated into French??? I don’t know how this happened, but the style is pretty cool lookin’ for an anime.

PoM: Congrats, I think you did the right thing. Good job on sticking with your ‘no’.

And about the actual topic – ugh. I listened to the recording, it was horrifying.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 years ago

The UK foreign office has had to resort to making an animation about how the Iran Nuclear deal works and tweeting it, in the hopes the US government will stay on board. That’s reassuring.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ukinusa/status/916061153335349249

peak182
peak182
3 years ago

Wow, I thought it was the incels that were mainly the ones to watch out for

Turns out powerful rich men can also be fucking freaks with no repect

dreemr
dreemr
3 years ago

@Rhuu – thanks for the recommendations!

Gussie Jives
Gussie Jives
3 years ago

@Rhuu

Wow. We basically watched the same cartoons. I remember (and miss) all three of those! Undergrads I don’t think has aged as well, but I still find myself quoting Clone High to this day. The episode where Joan (poorly) disguises herself as a boy named “John D’arc” to play basketball because she’s the only one competent enough still has some the best gags at the expense of toxic masculinity I’ve ever seen in a TV show, let alone a cartoon. I was praying there would have been a second season of that show, but the 13 episodes we have are treasures back to front.


“Makeover makeover… makeover makeover… makeover makeover… MAKEOVER! Makeover makeover… makeover makeover… makeover makeover… for you and meeeee…!”

Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives, Rhuu

“And now, on a very special episode of Clone High….” *grin*

http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/arc/images/shows/other/106_clonehigh.jpg

Sheila Crosby
3 years ago

@POM
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13400000/To-Rachel-Well-Done-yorkshire_rose-13489236-400-320.jpg

If they come back for more, I recommend the broken record technique.

“No, I really don’t want a roommate.”
“No, I really don’t want a roommate.”
“No, I really don’t want a roommate.”
“No, I really don’t want a roommate.”

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
3 years ago

So, CNN has a piece on the “embattled” Manhattan D.A. who didn’t prosecute HW for sexual assault, then didn’t prosecute trump and the cyborg first daughter for real estate fraud. Priceless is his insistence that the campaign donations from HW’s lawyer and from the dumpster hisself had no influence on his decisions

Shartheheretic
Shartheheretic
3 years ago

Pee Vee:

How do they justify getting bent out of shape about a video game where you kill Nazis while simultaneously denying that they are Nazis? Cognitive dissonance is one thing, but that goes beyond…

Meanwhile, I’m glad to see Georgina is kicking Harvey to the curb. My question is how she ended up with him in the first place. Does not compute based on either of their (admittedly) public personas. Just proves all those MGTOWs and incels wrong. You obviously don’t have to be a “Chad” or even be a decent person to have a relationship with an attractive woman.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
3 years ago

@Gussie Jives, Fishy Goat:

STAMOS!!!

http://previously.tv/m/2013-08-19-clone-high.jpg

For a while there, Staios was on a hockey team I’d hear a bunch about, and I was always saying ‘STAIOS!!!!’ curling my fingers. Sometimes people got it.

@Gussie Jives: That was one of the last times I had consistent TV, sadly. We are perhaps similar ages. 😀

Though I am also really enjoying ‘Son of Zorn’, it’s pretty ridiculous.

@dreemr: You are as welcome as the flowers in spring.

JennyWren
JennyWren
3 years ago

Hey David,

Good to see you posting again- I hope it’s a sign that your bad health situation is on the wane.

I don’t know what filter you used for the header photo, but can I request that we don’t go back to this one? I know that the idea is to create unsettling images, but this one looks like someone’s beaten up Weinstein so badly that his face is a mess of stitches, which I don’t really need to see.

TheKND
TheKND
3 years ago

@Rhuu – apparently an illiterati
Cyber Six is no longer appropriate for our time. Dr. von Reichter is obviously a “people with different opinions”-scientist and punching his goons is wrong. Cyber Six should have sat down with them and debated them online until her ideas proved superior. Also, she is mentally ill because she dresses as a man half of the time.
I’m just telling how it is! REEELZ OVER FEEELZ!

/S

eibhear
eibhear
3 years ago

@numerobis,

Somewhat belatedly, I thought that thread was hilarious.

P.S. Cara Delevigne is the latest to report being assaulted.